Victim from Colorado Shootings could face medical bill in excess of $2 million... Fair or unfair?

It may take a while, but I'm sure the theater will be held responsible/liable for not having secured the safety of it's patrons. Right or wrong...

reply to post by Shirak


Same in Canada. I wonder how many other developed countries are like the US, with no universal health care. Up here, he wouldn't even see a bill, the victims fund helps with other bills, and the family expenses.

Originally posted by xrevxoltx

Originally posted by Tramadolnights

Originally posted by xrevxoltx

Originally posted by Tramadolnights
Well it's the system you all defend, so no donations from me I'm afraid.

A fan of synthetic opioids, eh?

It sounds like you're willing to vote to force others to give, but are apparently unwilling to do so yourself. Typical.

You don't need a government decree to help others.

Typical of what exactly?

You could have a fair system like most of the world, maybe this fellow might be the wake up call you need.

Fair? Are you entitled to the fruits of another person's hard work simply because you're born? No, you don't know what fair is. Fair is leaving others alone and being responsible for yourself. If you cannot provide for yourself, there is charity, and there are plenty of people who are willing to give.

What you want is money taken by threat of death or imprisonment. And those of us who work for a living will never stand for it.

Stop whinging and start researching. Everyone here pays for the healthcare system through the National Insurance tax. You earn less you pay less. Earn more pay more. Very simple, very fair.

But then you are a dozy american, we can't expect you to understand things like Human Dignity, society, or civilisation.

And to think, people like you have the vote. And the governments people like you vote for have access to a huge military and nukes.

reply to post by jhn7537

This is why the US needs a national health scheme that is based on needs and not means.

What would of happened if he did have insurance but it had a life time maximum of $1million? Would you think it's fair for him to have to pay an extra 1million even though he had insurance? Would people still be willing to donate?

Insurance is not the answer, and it never will be. All bills relating to the shooting should be paid by the shooter, but i doubt he has enough to even cover a single bill from the victims. Perhaps over his lifetime he can make enough to cover the costs...

Originally posted by kosmicjack
It may take a while, but I'm sure the theater will be held responsible/liable for not having secured the safety of it's patrons. Right or wrong...

edit on 7/24/2012 by kosmicjack because: (no reason given)

Well the first lawsuit was filed today against the theater... I feel like that could be a slippery slope though..

If this had happened in the UK, none of the victims would have the added worry of ridiculous medical bills while they try to recupriate.

Can't afford to be sick in America.

Originally posted by Tramadolnights

Originally posted by xrevxoltx

Originally posted by Tramadolnights

Originally posted by xrevxoltx

Originally posted by Tramadolnights
Well it's the system you all defend, so no donations from me I'm afraid.

A fan of synthetic opioids, eh?

It sounds like you're willing to vote to force others to give, but are apparently unwilling to do so yourself. Typical.

You don't need a government decree to help others.

Typical of what exactly?

You could have a fair system like most of the world, maybe this fellow might be the wake up call you need.

Fair? Are you entitled to the fruits of another person's hard work simply because you're born? No, you don't know what fair is. Fair is leaving others alone and being responsible for yourself. If you cannot provide for yourself, there is charity, and there are plenty of people who are willing to give.

What you want is money taken by threat of death or imprisonment. And those of us who work for a living will never stand for it.

Stop whinging and start researching. Everyone here pays for the healthcare system through the National Insurance tax. You earn less you pay less. Earn more pay more. Very simple, very fair.

But then you are a dozy american, we can't expect you to understand things like Human Dignity, society, or civilisation.

And to think, people like you have the vote. And the governments people like you vote for have access to a huge military and nukes.

edit on 24-7-2012 by Tramadolnights because: (no reason given)

Speak to me about human dignity when the mob stops stealing from me at gun point with government consent. Speak to me about society when everyone pulls their own weight. Speak to me about civilization when those who refuse to educate themselves and refuse to take responsibility for themselves are held accountable.

If you're content with half or more of what you earn being given to others for nothing more than them being alive, write a check.

While I don't like the idea of paying for other people via taxes that are extorted from me, I also think that a sign of an advanced society is one that takes care of it's people.

The biggest issue I see here is the cost of medical aid in the USA. A friend of mine fractured his leg in Taiwan and left the hospital with a caste and a $30 dollar medical bill (he had no insurance). Anyone know what that would cost in the US? Even with insurance you'd pay more. Something's fishy with the cost of medical care here in the states. It's a bloody racket... it's got to be.

Originally posted by doobydollCan't afford to be sick in America.

this certainly appears to be the case from an international viewpoint.

I find it laughable that they could think anyone could pay $2 million in medical bills.

I'd tell the medical staff to shoot me again and just end it because they weren't going to get a cent.

The fact is that The hospital thinks they can charge what they want because you would die otherwise. The truth is that normal people don't have $2 million up their sleeve. Ineveitably they are saying "I'll patch you up, and if you survive this physical trauma, and leave you with the emotional trauma of taking your home, car and everything you have of monetary worth. Bad time, bad place, and don't care if you are the victim or the offender."

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The movie theater has insurance that would normally cover "incidents" on their property. For instance if you were at my house and fell down my stairs, my homeowners insurance would cover anything your medical did not. So I would assume that the theaters insurance would cover the bills but it's too early to say.

I still think it's a good idea to get some money to these people though. Even if the movie theater's insurance did cover the medical costs many of these folks will still have a lot of issues to deal with, many won't be able to work (some maybe never again?)

The price of medical care has been inflated to outrageous levels. It's a lucrative business. 2 million dollars, not way that is the real cost without a huge markup but everyone in the chain.

It's funny to me that in the US you pay your taxes to fund a huge military that has rightly or wrongly killed a lot of people abroad but when it comes to state funded health care there's complaints ? Somebody wake me up i think i'm dreaming.

Originally posted by xrevxoltx
No, you're wrong. Plenty of people give, despite their tax burden. Those calling for universal healthcare tend to give the least.

I would like to see your evidence for that, because I can guarantee you don't have any.
We have the NHS in the UK, and we give a massive amount of money to charities every year. We all pay into a health system that the majority of us are proud of, and we STILL donate money to a good cause regularly.

After the 2004 Asian Tsunami the public of the UK donated $654.9 million, the USA isn't listed in public donations on the sources I found. I'm not sure why there is not American public donation figure.

My point is that the entire UK is for universal healthcare, and we clearly do not give the least!

Originally posted by xrevxoltx
When we stop providing for every person who enters our country and gives birth to multiple children, we'll be able to take care of ourselves.

And you think this is done by you contributing as little as possible in taxes?
Tell me, how about the hundreds of thousands of kids in the USA - American born or not - who need Cancer treatment. What about the elderly who need a hip replacement? What about the soldier who served to protect your country and is now homeless?

You have a very simplistic view of society, much like we have in the UK with Daily Mail readers thinking every penny of their tax goes to paying for a single mother to keep breeding.

That's not reality, and you cannot dismiss all the many millions of truly deserving people based on ignorant and uneducated propaganda-based bias.

Originally posted by xrevxoltx
Those of you so willing to give away other peoples' money should first write a check to whichever cause you're demanding others pay for.

How do you know that people are not donating every day?
I'll remind you again, I live in the UK, where I pay taxes into the NHS. This allows me to have any treatment when I need it.
I also donate to charities that I support on a regular basis, and so do many millions of others.

I'm guessing you don't want to part with any of your money though, right?

Originally posted by xrevxoltx
The hospital surely accepts donations and the US treasury absolutely does.

So does the website set up to take donations for this young man.

Caleb Fund

Good to see it's rising, and that the victims family fund now stands at $2 million thanks to a generous donation from Warner Bros. It's just a shame that so few Americans seem to be giving a damn.

I don't think he will have to worry about the bill. I am quite sure it will be picked up for him. Most people in all honesty have good hearts. Believe it or not there are more good people in the world than bad, thankfully. Although he will most likley be hit with a tax at come April next year, now that it is out that he has no medical insurance. Gee I wonder if the President will be visiting him also.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
It may take a while, but I'm sure the theater will be held responsible/liable for not having secured the safety of it's patrons. Right or wrong...

Exactly what I was thinking because their no guns in the theater policy protected their patrons sooo well.

Somewhere along the line, the theater is going to have to end up covering the medical liabilities of the patrons shot in their theater. This article is just more propaganda showing the "need" for Obamacare.

When all is said and done, none of the victims will have any problems paying for their medical bills. The way people come together in this country to aid victims of tragedies like this, there should be plenty of charitable contributions to go around for everyone injured in that theater.

www.hollywoodreporter.com...

The studio behind 'The Dark Knight Rises' has been in contact with the state governor's office and will make a lump sum contribution.
Warner Bros., the studio behind The Dark Knight Rises, is making a donation to charities supporting victims of the Aurora, Colo., shooting rampage.

Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that the studio has been in contact with Colorado governor John Hickenlooper's office and will contribute to a fund identified by the governor on the website givingfirst.org, which is a program of Colorado's Community First Foundation. The fund distributes monies across several charities that will support victims of the July 20 killing spree that left at least 12 dead and dozens injured.

Also, as someone else pointed out, the first lawsuit was filed today.

Not to mention that we, taxpayers, will be paying the medical bills, because anyone with disabling and/or traumatic injury is automatically enrolled in Medicare/Medicaid upon admission to the hospital. The hospitals want to be assured of getting payment, and this is one of the first steps they take.

Healthcare, or lack therof, in the U.S., is a huge fallacy. Generally speaking, when someone is brought in with catastrauphic injuries, the enrollment is almost instantaneous and guaranteed. Hospitals will almost always accept the benefits paid out by Medicare/Medicaid, and not bother the family for the 20% copay, or will find other ways to compensate for it.

Most hospitals are required to provide a particular amount of indigent care per year, or lose a portion of Federal funding. Any losses are written off to maintain the Federal grants. This is particularly true of Not for profit hospitals.

With the amount of donations already raised, and the coverage of Medicare/Medicaid, the family cannot be held responsible, only the patient. I doubt there will be any issues at all with the medical bills.

Top that off with the donations from WB as noted above, and lawsuits, they stand to also come out with rather handsome benefits to provide for any problems encountered later in life, and pain and suffering.

If they are totally disabled, they will have lifetime benefits and coverage paid for by the tax payers.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
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i can hear it now from the religious right wing "if he would have prayed more this wouldnt have happend to him"

Christians would rather he just die to save everyone money.

that is the most ridiculous statement i have ever read.
put the pipe down pal...

Originally posted by detachedindividual
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Wait for all the right-wingers to come in screaming about how they shouldn't have to contribute to care for their fellow Americans.

I fully expect to see some screaming about how he's in the wrong for not having insurance, and how no other American should be donating any money for him.

Wait, does that sound too harsh? Just look at all the crazy Americans ranting about their taxes going to pay for the care of others and how THEY shouldn't have to pay anything to help anyone but themselves... you'll see what I mean.

I agree that he probably has nothing to worry about. There will be millions of people all contributing to his fund from all over the world when it starts to be picked up by the media properly. If only half of all Americans just donated $1 all the medical bills of all the victims would be paid off with money to spare for a memorial.

The question is, how many Americans give a damn about their fellow citizens to hand over a $?

Oh, and I would be saying the same thing about any other nationality too, it's just that we get a lot of radical right-wing Americans on here screaming about their precious money and how they shouldn't have to support others. It makes me angry.

ever heard of a thing called bankruptcy?
if you get sick in America you get treated, no matter what.
if you can't pay, and you can prove it, you file bankruptcy.
so you can take your precious NHS and shove it.

and last i checked, America has given more money around the world than any socialist utopia ever has.

you seem to be more worried about us "right wingers" money, than us "right wingers" are.

mind your own utopian hellhole!!!