Our Lady in Medjugorje message indicates that many, many people will die rather soon

I don't know how otherwise to interpret the latest Medjugorje message on July 2, 2012 given to Mirjana and intended for the nonbelievers:

"My children; Again, in a motherly way, I implore you to stop for a moment and to reflect on yourselves and on the transience of this your earthly life. Then reflect on eternity and the eternal beatitude. What do you want? Which way do you want to set out on? The Father`s love sends me to be a mediatrix for you, to show you with motherly love the way which leads to the purity of soul; a soul unburdened by sin; a soul that will come to know eternity. I am praying that the light of the love of my Son may illuminate you, so that you may triumph over weaknesses and come out of misery. You are my children and I desire for all of you to be on the way of salvation. Therefore, my children, gather around me that I may have you come to know the love of my Son and thus open the door of eternal beatitude. Pray as I do for your shepherds. Again I caution you: do not judge them, because my Son chose them. Thank you."


There are thousands of messages given in Medjugorje. The most popular ongoing apparition site it has been visited by millions of pilgrims. Who reads the messages that Our Lady warns, is it for the Catholics or for those who will never open it? Perhaps Our Lady address it first to the Catholics and Christians who already know of Medjugorje. And only then - to Buddhists who may have never heard of it. In anyway, the words of Our Lady could mean that many people who listen them and who do not, will meet the eternity pretty soon. How many? Millions? We don't know. We may be among them. God has a plan for each creature, and seems now the time comes for many to meet their Creator. And for the rest who will survive, may need the same spiritual preparation to endure the next tests. It is known from Medjugorje of at least 10 big planetary events (the number varies if there are different secrets given to the 6 seers).

reply to post by 2012newstart

No, those words on their own don't have that meaning.
It's always been the case that life is transient, so that message could have been given at any time.

How can a large percentage of Catholics, and Christians for that matter, not check purported messages against scripture to instantly know that it is false?

What do you want? Which way do you want to set out on? The Father`s love sends me to be a mediatrix for you...

 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." -1st Timothy 2:5

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -John 14:6

Therefore, my children, gather around me that I may have you come to know the love of my Son and thus open the door of eternal beatitude.

Jesus said "No one can come to Me, UNLESS THE FATHER WHO SENT ME DRAWS HIM: and I will raise him up on the last day.'' (John 6:44).

Mary isn't a mediator. Please stop this blasphemy.

Sounds like proselatizing to me, but no real warning of impending doom for millions......My interpretation anyways.....peace s

Originally posted by 2012newstart

Pray as I do for your shepherds. Again I caution you: do not judge them, because my Son chose them. Thank you."

I find this part kind of disturbing. Sounds like a reference to the child sex scandal currently being experienced by the Catholic church. I would think that divine intervention would not apply to such a heinous crime. Wow for anyone who believes this I would think you would have to say it's a hoax in order to not be seen as someone who supports that sort of thing.

Maybe it's just me but this is what stuck out in my mind when I read it. Keep sending us money don't judge them.

Can someone tell me if maybe there is something else this is implying that I am missing. If not, yes I am judging them and so should everyone else.

THE MESSAGE IS INTENDED FOR THE CATHOLICS AND CHRISTlANS AND ONLY THEN TO THE BUDDHISTS!!!. Well, im catholic and my wife is buddhist and she just read your message at the same time as me, how about that?? Like a poster said above, stop this blasphemy.

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Where's the doom? I read it 3 times, and it sounds like pretty much every spiritual message I've ever read. It is a great message, and it is a great lesson to be taken to heart, but where the hell do you get "many people will die soon" out of that message?

This was a huge letdown for my doom porn for today.

Originally posted by DISRAELI
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No, those words on their own don't have that meaning.
It's always been the case that life is transient, so that message could have been given at any time.

In principle I agree with you 100%. There are many warning messages, in Medjugorje and elsewhere, incl Fatima, and they are intended primary for the spiritual readiness, without giving any doomsday date. I am sorry If I was so poorly understood in my private comment by some people.

At the same time, the intensity of the messages especially given to Mirjana, only increases. I can be more precise, but everyone who follows them will recognize that urgency. 31 years after the start of apparitions, when we were promised 10 secrets, none has been materialized so far. The human life is not endless, not even to the seers or Fr Petar. Not even events like 9/11 and the tsunami 2004 were among the secrets. So one may reflect of the intensity of the secrets, in a world that goes increasingly away from God, and not on the road of repentance. I mean the majority that everyone can see, the kinds of TV shows, abortions,a nd so on. I do not mean anyone personally, even less the readers of the thread, so please do not take it personally.

Oh sorry for the Buddhist wife, certainly I did not mean such couples. there are excellent people among the other religions. I also know a couple of them. But at the same time, you will agree with me if you are unbiased, that 1.4 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians perhaps do not keep as their first task on every 2nd to read the next message given in Medjugorje. A number of Catholics do so though. Not even all 1.2 bln Catholics. Please, do not take my words personally, because I do not intend to hurt you in anyway. ALl that some of you put beyond that, is your own view that goes beyond of the context of my words and that I did not intend to say or think in anyway.

If I posted the message it is only because I wanted to make it known. Everyone can have his own comment and reflection, much better than mine. I will leave the other comments unanswered therefore. They have their own views that I do not necessarily share, neither I am obliged to. God bless!


P.S. I wonder what the reaction of the people will be, those who now say that nothing warning will come anytime soon, when the next disaster happens. For now the disasters keep happening outside of America and Western Europe, or if they do happen there, their scale is nowhere near in the thousands dead (Katrina exception). Remember that 100,000 dead in Myanmar, China, Pakistan quakes and typhoons is just a part of the life in the last 5 years. How would you react if that would happen in the Gulf of Mexico? Perhaps you would change your views drastically. Now is easy to deny everything like that because it is not under your feet and above your head. I become increasingly angry (and that shouldn't be so) when I see some very devote people who say 5 rosaries a day, and who at the same time act as blind leading the blind. They would probably stay mummified next to 9/11-type of event, praying and longing to die and go to heaven. This is not the right choice of the way to God, in my humble view. If you call that basphemy, please check the Catholic Cathechesis and documents like John Paul II Evangelium Vitae that confirm the life.

Our Lady warns and some are deaf, good job! My warning in anyway stops HERE.

Thank you again, but this was my last post here. I didn't deserve the attacks for posting a Medjugorje message and commenting on it, when it was clearly indicating the passing away life several times in it. It is not that usual after all. The message of August 25, 2001 before 9/11 was similar but much less indicating eternity. Open your eyes, that might be the last warning from heaven. Oh yes it wouldn't be said on Sunday homily.

I take back all my excuses in the previous post, as far as they are not personal excuses to someone's hurt feelings.

I continue to state that the last message of Medjugorje given on 2 July 2012 to Mirjana is RATHER WARNING. Our Lady does not usually speak in such terms and SO MUCH of eternity in a single message. Not even in the message preceding 9/11. I will not discuss or comment further because of the shown lack of willingness for constructive discussion and any ideas of build up a possible scenario. Rather I received insults, including to call me blasphemous. Go fishing, I will not stand that! I am a good standing catholic. Are you too?

All I want to do with this new and hopefully, last post here, is to say to the unbiased people who might read here:

The time is coming fast! Be ready, because what Our Lady wil offer you in the first secrets, may surpass all your imagination and science! If you accept it, perhaps you will be among the saved ones on the Great Sign. For the rest remain the calamities, natural and man made, that are spoken of by many, many prophets, and that will certainly befall the Earth rather soon. The belief won't be necessary, neither the denial. As they didn't help with Fukushima.

I am tired of you guys.
God bless

Originally posted by Ranong
THE MESSAGE IS INTENDED FOR THE CATHOLICS AND CHRISTlANS AND ONLY THEN TO THE BUDDHISTS!!!. Well, im catholic and my wife is buddhist and she just read your message at the same time as me, how about that?? Like a poster said above, stop this blasphemy.

If you were REALLY catholic, then you would give this message creedance. But you're not, obviously.

Catholic isnt a race. it's a religion. You arnt Catholic by right or by birth anymore than you would be a muslim athiest.

I have been seeing these messages all of my life, by way of a very catholic family with just as strict upbringing. I understand the message, apparently more so than all of the responces ive read so far.

Cmon people... You complain when christians bash your athiest threads... Funny cuz I never see it, yet I always see this kinda BS after every interesting post.


Look... You hipocrites... If a post is in the proper forum, with a proper title, and proper information, who are you to piss all over it?

Dont you think that others in this forum wouldnt mind reading some of this? Or are you so damn full of yourselves that you think that only your opinions matter? I honestly would love to see christians gathering to follow every single one of your responces on every thread and do to you exactly as you have done to them.


Science? Hahaha Ghost stories! No such thing. What idiots to believe in science..

This wouldnt bother you? I bet it would. Why cant you biggot people live and let live... I mean.. What do you gain? "Oh I wanna make that christian guy look like a total idiot"... sure... Right after you make yourself look like the childesh, no reasoning, no capacity for contructive crit, no capacity for, well, anything intelligent, since you're all going about it in a temper tantrum childish way when someone says the word "God" in these forums.


Get over yourself. There are more beliefs than yours. You are not the perfecta of humanity. You dont know a damn thing about other peoples religions except what you hear from other peoples BS and lies... So how can you judge them? Are they judging you? Please show me all the proof on these forums. I will show you counter proof and I will have MUCH more than you to bring to evidence.




Op. Love the post! I had no idea this was still going on today. If you will, ignore these people as though they never posted. Karma is a mofo, from what I hear. It'll come back around in some way, shape or form.

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This is in reference to the post of Whoknows,

I feel that sincerely or you didnt understand the sense of the words attributed to the Holy Virgin Mary, mother of our saviour, or you are definitively extremly wrongly informed about the scriptures.

When St. Mary is showing us her love and her interest in our salvation is not in any way contradicting the fact that Christ is our Great Priest in the presence of God Father, to the contrary is following precisely his very last will before to die that she is taking care of the children she adopted in the calvary through a simbolic action that took place with St John, the youngest disciple that was at that time a mere adolescent.

The Bible clearly says in The Gospel according with St John:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But Yeshua saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing and he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.”
He said to that disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour that disciple received her to himself.

In that precise moment the Lord states that his mother in this earth was going to adopt his followers as her own sons and they must respect her as their own mother.

The Devotion to the Virgin is not at all antibiblical as you state, is solidly founded in the respect to the will of Christ. St Mary lived the rest of her life in this world not with any of her relatives but with St John, in signal of how important was that commandment of Christ for her.

To say that this devotion is Blasphemy is something not only extremly bold, and by the way ignorant, but decisively heretic.

As far as I know it was not Christ the one that said in any part of his public life that her mother would not have any role at all to do in the salvation of the humanity, after all she was the instrument through which God sent his only son to this world, but it was perhaps the personal opinion of some other well known heretic of the past like John Calvin who supported such a claim.

Please read: en.wikipedia.org...

It is interesting to remark that even Martin Luther, that also unfortunately has the terrible responsibility to have created one of the worst schisms of the History, dividing the Chirtendom until our days, was respectul of the three essential attributes of the Holy Virgin St Mary:

- Her immaculate conception, she was conceived without original sin.
- Her so important lovely role of Mediatrix in between Humanity and Christ.
- Her perpetual Virginity, in respect to her original vows as a Virgin of Zion, incharged of the cult to God in the great temple of Jerusalem.

Please read: en.wikipedia.org...

This in spite of the ideas some sects of our time that like to be known as Lutherans believe or not about the Mother of God.

It is important to recall that after Christ ascended to Heaven he left back for many years in this world his own mother, so it is not mere speculation to realize how important might be the role of St Mary in the primitive Christian church.

She was present in the election of St Mathias as the replacement of Judas Iscariot, as well as in Pentecostes, when the Holy spirit was sent to the apostles, and she is the only woman mentioned by her name in the scripture account of that event.

Even St John himself in one of his letters clearly states that she was considered even at that time the mother of the church:

2 John 1:1
Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)

1 From the leader of the church people. I send greetings to the lady whom God has chosen, and to her children. I love you all because you have the truth about Christ. I am not the only one who loves you. All those who know the truth, love you also.

Again becareful since the so important motherhood of St Mary over the Church is one of the pillars of the authentic Christian Theology, who ever denies that is falling in grave Heretics and can be guilty of blasphemy, depending of who is responsible or how he or she was taught on that evident biased interpretation of the Holy scriptures.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

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What in this made you think sex scandal ???

Did Jesus choose the dirty preists who molested children ?

Our Lady in Medjugorje message indicates that many, many people will die rather soon

No. There was NOTHING in that message that indicates that anyone will die soon. In this, and in other messages from there, she says that the world here is passing away ... which is true. This is just a temporary home and we will all pass from it at some point.

There is nothing apocolyptic in it.

Also - The Catholic Church usually DISAPPROVES of apparitions that get apocolyptic.
So the fact that Medjugorje isn't apocolyptic lends to the authenticity as far as the
Catholic Church is concerned. Of course, no final judgement can be rendered until the
apparitions have ceased.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Please stop this blasphemy.

I always chuckle when the word 'blasphemy' gets spouted ...

One persons 'blasphemy' is another persons truth.
Even the bible itself says that all truth and all the teachings of Christ
are not in the bible ... because there were so many that even all the
books of the world couldn't hold it all. So there is MUCH MORE
truth out there then just what is in your bible. Your bible even says so.

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I really do not like it when people say Our Lady or Our Lord.
Stop shoving your deities down my throat. They are your lord and your lady and your silly religion where an ordinary man becomes a god and his mother is a virgin.

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Gotta love a religion where nothing that is ever promised comes true.
Revelations was supposed to be for the people who lived right around the time of Jesus. He was supposed to be back then and 2000 years later here we sit waiting. I guess the whole "better I owe it to you than cheat youout of it" thing still works for some. Not me.

Messages from deities to the non believers never reach their target audiences. Didnt that ever occur to the ever precious mother of all mothers? Guess not.

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You dont understand these messages any more then non catholics you just believe them more. Lets get the verbs correct. Belief is not understanding and understanding is not belief.

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Your rant does not help your position at all you know.

reply to post by The angel of light


That was a well thought out post, thank you.

Your inspiring look at "Mary" was correct in your quotes given, BUT you are sadly misguided.

The Holy trinity is:
Father
Son
Holy Spirit

The UNHoly trinity:
Father
Mother
Son

You HAVE to understand the difference, the crucial difference between the 2. If you cannot, you WILL be deceived. Both use the term "christ", the antichrist will be called christ by this world. You m ust understand that all madonna and child images are idols, and are not even for the good baby Lord Jesus with his mother Mary, but actually a much older representation of Semiramis and Nimrod.

Lest you be deceived ...

And well done to WhoKnows100, blasphemy is what it is. Deception is what it does. The father of lies is a busy little demon these days.

reply to post by 2012newstart


2012, Im sorry to see you fall prey to these guys. It makes it tough as nails to bring anything here that's not UFOs, Government Lies or ghosts. Sad, especially since we have a forum for such wonderful topics. I love stuff like this just as much as I like to read other mysteries.

people here wont live and let live. they are sad induviduals that cant see past their own arrogance.


I know what you're saying and I agree. Who wants to post in a forum, dedicated for a topic even, only to be pushed around by the stupids of ATS just because they hate the idea that God may exist.

I mean wow... Whats with the PROFOUND hatred. You would think by the way they act, we sacrificed their first born or something, when we didnt and dont do a damn thing to these people.

Thats ok. It just goes to show that the original truth is still the obvious of truths. People are blind and hearing anything that might better them, they damn to hell. Maybe it's supposed to be this way. Maybe, just maybe, this is what Mary, Christ, the Bible, and all involved has been trying to get across and this time is that time.

I wish you the very best, and thank you fully for the topic as these topics always interest me. If there was a friendlier place that had such topics (and didnt go overboard on them) I would go there instead. Till then, I guess I'll just have to sit it out with all the rest of the people who are not welcome here.


Glad have read. There was food for thought in your post.