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Parts of Chicago now akin to Iraq-Afghanistan tribal/civil war

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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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Is this 1950, negroes? lol

What race are the elites? CEOS? People on wallstreet? politicians in USA, Europe, and AU? You call their actions civilized?

I would imagine most Sudanese people have seen war in their life so are probably mentally messed up? I don't know. You act like other races have never murdered anyone before. en.wikipedia.org...

Any sort of negative violent/criminal stereotype linked to black people in the USA at least, is directly related to poverty. Black people that are middle & upper class tend to not have these problems.


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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux

so you see...talk of violence in some parts of Chicago is sensationalism...its been that way for a long time and its far worse in many ways than any oversees battlefield to be honest.



When we start seeing car bombs in Chicago, children with bombs strapped to their bodies, or beheadings (not to mention a severe lack of running water, electricity, and garbage collection) then maybe we can compare it to Baghdad when it was a true battlefield. Don't get me wrong, Chicago crime is very bad - but to compare to Iraq during the height of the war? Not even close... at all.

And don't get me started on Afghanistan!
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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Let me start by saying that I'm so sick of hearing about kids "being shot accidentally". If the city can't stop the crime - maybe teach the criminals to shoot better.

I'm from Chicago, I recently moved out of the city to Tinley Park, IL, the south-west side of Chicago is one of the scariest areas you can go to... The times I've gone south of US Cellular Field (35th street) it begins to get very sketchy and it continues to get worse and worse each block you head south... The times I've gone there I rarely ever stopped at red lights, I would make a quick little stop, look both ways and keep moving, being a white male in my 20's its a very dangerous place, you're almost asking to get mugged or shot down there....

I also made a thread recently about the violence in Chicago HS's and the statistics about the violence is plain disturbing... I wish the violence in this city I love ended... Too many innocent people are dying...


While fatalities from gun violence are down this year among Chicago Public School students, the number of young people shot during the 2011-12 academic year is up nearly 22 percent from last year, the highest number of
students wounded by firearms in the last four years.



The Chicago Tribune reports that before the school year ended on June 15, 24 students had been fatally shot and 319 students were wounded by gunfire. That's four fewer fatalities than the 2010-11 school year, according to police data obtained by the newspaper.


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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I was already cringing when I read 'not trying to be racist BUT'

I just watched some stuff about gangs in Chicago and DAMN. Different world there. I knew there was a lot of violence but actually thought it less than what I learned today. Stick to the right neighborhoods there I guess.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Domo1
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I was already cringing when I read 'not trying to be racist BUT'

I just watched some stuff about gangs in Chicago and DAMN. Different world there. I knew there was a lot of violence but actually thought it less than what I learned today. Stick to the right neighborhoods there I guess.


The issue is that a lot of the violence is spilling over to the nice neighborhoods like Lakeview/wrigleyville/lincoln park, etc. A lot of gang members will mug people walking in the nice areas at night.. Another thing we are seeing is mob like action where you will get 10 kids (14-20 years of age) jumping people with weapons, robbing them, etc... Chicago police seem to be overwhelmed...



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 01:00 AM
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It's pretty obvious how well all their anti-gun legislation is working out.

What they aren't showing you is that Chicago also has one of the highest populations of illegal aliens.
Chicago violence = end product of failed federal policies in immigration, gun control and the war on drugs.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
hey..i got a great idea...elect more republicans that will come in and cut more taxes!! all these bloated government programs are givng away money to lazy poor people, when that very same money could be going to the "job creators"...


And here I thought the mayor of Chicago was a democrat.

Rahm isn't???




posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

And here I thought the mayor of Chicago was a democrat.

Rahm isn't???



Never let a good crisis , go to waste, or something like that..........




posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by beezzer

And here I thought the mayor of Chicago was a democrat.

Rahm isn't???



Never let a good crisis , go to waste, or something like that..........


What Chicago needs is harsher gun laws-. . . . wait, what?




posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

What Chicago needs is harsher gun laws-. . . . wait, what?





"No parent should have to endure this type of pain," Emanuel said in the statement, CBS Chicago reports. "Bringing Heaven’s shooter to justice will not bring her back, but I hope it will provide some level of solace to her family. We cannot lose another innocent child to violence and I will continue to fight to make sure the Chicago Police has the resources it needs to stop the violence."


Jerrell Dorsey, Chicago Man, Charged In Shooting Death Of 7-Year-Old Girl Selling Candy

Prime example of a Mayor, who cant control his city. So, what "kind" of resources, is he willing to give.......

More GUNS maybe?





posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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I have a theory...I call it "The Chicago Agenda".
You have to admit, that since 2006...Chicago has been shoved in our faces non-stop. Think about it, not only Obama hails from Chicago (among many other places), but so does Oprah Winfrey. Then, the whole movie musical that received so much attention that I couldn't stand to hear the blasted name of the dang city. Chicago Pizza, Chicago sports, food shows, Mayor Rahm Emanual, NATO summit and subsequent protests...and whatever else having to do with the overly hyped Windy City.

For whatever reason...this has gotten my attention. I don't know why Chicago is being blasted in our faces all the time lately...but something is in the works for that place...I can feel it. Chicago is the new black (no racial puns intended).



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 02:11 AM
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America has gone from the land of opportunity to the land of "take what you can get".

Agreed. Probably because of all the recent doom and gloom about the end of the world. After all, might as well get what we can before it all comes crashing down, right? My Island doesn't have a heliport yet.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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Chicago does have a reputation as a city built on corruption, along with many others. With this type of entrenched ethos in its leadership and management it is only standard that the rest of the city follows suit. Detroit has also taken a big hit once all the steel jobs went of shore and manufacturing declined, it is city past its prime and fading like many other mining towns.

As Mayor I would focus on cleaning up the corruption within my city to help provide a better example for the population to follow. The people know this stuff goes on and either get discouraged and give up, or take arms and fight their way up the chain. When those in power only care about themselves and not there responsibilities, the rest of the public follows these principles and examples.

Things fall into chaos and anarchy when the people have nothing to believe in, nothing to do, nothing to aim for. The more forgotten they become, more detached from the rest of society they become. Establish community meeting in these derelict neighbourhoods, find out what they want and find out ways to make it a reality. Let their voices be heard and give them a stake in their own future. With the entrenched conflict change is not going to happen over night, but unless a more inclusive direction is taken the divide is only going to grow.
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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 02:41 AM
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i don't think the situation can be summed up any better than that.
kudos



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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It was sarcasm. Geez.

What a bunch of negative crybabies in this thread. Instead of lamenting the fall of Chicago, do something about it.

Bunch of armchair doom porn fanatics.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by mahon
Michael, before I move all the kids to Lake Forest suburbs, what will help protect Chicago's urban children?

If a larger police force is not the solution, then what is?

Should we throw more free money into the neighborhoods?
Create job programs?
Open more churches?
Take all the police out of those neighborhoods and let the people be on their own?

This is not Liberia, we cannot have people
being murdered in Chicago streets everyday!
Especially seven year olds.....its too much.

It brings a really bad public image of Chicago.




you should be reminded that the type of crime in question is highly concentrated in specific areas of the city. I lived in Chicago for the bulk of the 90s and kids are just fine. while it is a city and the mood is quite different from that of a suburb the vast majority of people in most of the city are not in imminent danger of crime.

you are right...its not Liberia and I haven't heard of any stories of women with their breasts hacked off, overflowing orphanages or men limping around on makeshift prosthetic limbs.

after reading posts, i am convinced more than ever that those kids were purposely sacrificed in order to create a false bad public image of Chicago; and some of you have taken the baton are going for the gold with this...

You guys have fun with this. I suppose that means you won't be going to the Taste this weekend. Grant park is a horribly dangerous place this time of year.



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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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Not to sound callous, but this is rather run-of-the-mill when it comes to Chicago during the hot summer months. The gang members are out there defending territory, fighting over narcotics markets, waging war against rivals, and other things that could be considered as tribal warfare. As some have already mentioned, Chicago has always had a gang culture.

Heck, my Grandfather told stories about run-ins with ethnic groups that he was not a part of beating the crap out of each other, harassing people in their neighborhood, and committing acts of violence across the board. He and some guys formed a group of their own to protect each other. In those days, they could not leave their neighborhood without expecting a violent confrontation with another group. It is the same today. Although, I don't think he would ever call what he was in a gang, but just a group of people protecting each other and their neighborhood. It was during the 1920's and 30's Chicago I believe. On top of that, there was organized crime shooting each other in the streets for territory and rackets as well. That culture has not changed, and I don't see it happening in my lifetime. Chicago remains a highly diverse and segregated city, and that is incubator for violence and organized crime.

The gangs go by neighborhoods, and it is quite cumbersome. Each neighborhood having a different gang living side by side with other, and in some cases only being separated by a few blocks. Such close proximity to each other is a recipe for disaster. The gangs have their own sets of markings, signals, symbols, and custom. They may appear to be common to the casual observer, but among the members; each gang has subtle intricacies that set them apart from each other. Gangs are highly compartmentalized at the street level, and vastly different from gangs on the West Coast or anywhere in the country. They are loosely held together under umbrellas known as the Folk and People Nation, but still war with each other over a range of issues. Gang culture is about as Chicago as Bears football, deep-dish pizza, and soggy Italian Beef sandwiches.

I will admit, the shootings and killings are quite high this year. It may have to do with changes in policy and tactics by the Chicago Police Department and their recent Superintendent change and the new Mayor? Furthermore, Chicago is notoriously corrupt and faces a severe budget deficit which is adversely affecting every city service including the police.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel Outlines 2012 Budget Proposal to Secure Chicago's Future


This summer, the City of Chicago released the first ever annual financial analysis – a three-year projection of city finances, as well as a financial review of the last decade. At that time, the City issued a projected 2012 budget gap – the difference between expected income and expenditures in 2012 – of $635.7 million.


Chicago 2012 Budget Passes Unanimously: Rahm Emanuel's First Budget Breezes Through City Council


All 50 aldermen voted to pass the $6.3 billion budget plan, which includes layoffs, fee hikes and police station closures.


To make matters worse, a lot of experienced officers are looking for anyway possible to retire because of a pension crisis.

Pension Games

That will cause a massive brain drain on the CPD. There will not be enough seasoned officers to train the less experienced crowd. Of course, just as the people are seeing the failures of city government, and institutions, but so too are the gangs. They are trying to capitalize off of the city's mismanagement and confusion.

What is very peculiar is the recent increase in violence in the Downtown area.

Chicago Crime Impacting Tourism? City Tourism Official Suggests So, Then Backs Down


Welsh then revealed that his office has been receiving inquiries from meeting planners questioning whether the Second City is a safe destination, particularly as reports of so-called "mob-style" attacks in and near the city's Magnificent Mile shopping district and the city's surging homicide rate have gone national.


I call it the "Green Zone," because by and large it has always remained safe and free from the shootings and gang activity from the surrounding areas. You know like in Iraq and the "Green Zone," Shangri La on the inside, and death and destruction on the outside. Never the two shall meet. I think the ingrained corruption has always been at the core of violence and mayhem in Chicago. The taxpayers get the shaft!
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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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personally, I think that the reactionaries calling for intervention in those areas are trying to get support to launch a rescue mission to save the foreign forces that are being obliterated in cities across america.

NATO tried to save Gaddafi last year and now they are trying to save syrian and iranian aligned forces that have been operating with impunity on chicago's south and west sides for the last 50 years.

their garrisons and fortresses are being demolished and their armies are being swept into the wilderness and no one is going to come and help them.




posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux

after reading posts, i am convinced more than ever that those kids were purposely sacrificed in order to create a false bad public image of Chicago; and some of you have taken the baton are going for the gold with this...

You guys have fun with this. I suppose that means you won't be going to the Taste this weekend. Grant park is a horribly dangerous place this time of year.




Cities = ok
car = ok

Cities + cars = bad



Murders in Chicago
The blue dots represent the site of multiple homicides.




The correlation between CO2 and the murder rate is not discussed much,
but anyone who has seen the freak out scene in Apoll 13 knows what this is about.



Freak out scene



Explanation scene.
The volume on this clip is pretty weak. (looks like it was blocked)
Here is the relevant part.


You get impaired judgement, blackouts, the beginings of brain asphyxia


Either the cars should get out of the cities,
or the people should.


Mike Grouchy
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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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its the exhaust and the traffic that i'm trying to avoid when I don't go to the city.

I was mildly embarrassed sending my white dress shirts to the cleaners because they always had a thick black ring around the collar. after realizing that a person who spends a great deal of time in hot tub or at the steam room, my neck shouldn't be this filthy, it occurred to me that the ring was caused by downtown exhaust accumulating on my clothes.

i always figured the city will be much nicer when either all the oil runs out, the cars are gone or new exhaust free propulsion systems are developed for transportation.



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