Parts of Chicago now akin to Iraq-Afghanistan tribal/civil war

Wow. I'm from the "real" southside. Let me just say that in any impoverished area, you'll find the worst as well as best of people.

Sure you have the ignorant 17, 19 year old flexing testosterone at anyone who wants trouble, but you also have people like the "Pharaoh" guy from the East side. He wears a Pharaohs crown, and carries a staff.

I once asked him, "whats up with the stick"? (it looks like Moses' rod or something). He held it in his right hand and said "this is the tree of life", switched to his left hand and said "this is the tree of knowledge of good and evil".

You actually have some of the most intensely spiritual people I've ever met right on the south, specifically East side.

As Michael noted, the "Folks" gangs are based off of Judaism, "King David", 6 point star etc..... "People" gangs are based off Islam, Noble Drew Ali, 5 point star, etc...

Even the Gangs are spiritual! Check this out :

Growing up on the southside, you get stopeed and illegally searched by police regularly from roughly the age of 12 onward. This pre-disposes a mistrust of authority. Add a lack of jobs and any number of things can and will go wrong.

Chicago "hoods" experience terrible racism at the hands of the power structure. The neighborhoods are left to rot, with only the most basic city services, the young are continually harassed by police, and the population makes up the slave labor for the prison system (prisoners do full workdays for pennies.)

As for the rest of the hood, It's cheaper to pay minimum wage to a person than to provide for them as a slave, adjusted for inflation.

Parents on drugs. Sex and violence both on tv and on the street. Kids are impressionable. When they say a neighborhood is bad they mean it's full of young Black or Latino guys, kids really.
A lot of these guys are BRILLIANT, but angry at life, and lacking guidance, perspective, or positive role models, not to mention avenues to pursue their passions.

Do you, White people, know why you're REALLY scared to be in a group of young minorities? It's because, even if just subconsciously, you know why they're there, in the poor shape they're in. You're ancestors destroying their civilizations. And you haven't done anything to make it right. And they know this too. And know you know they know.

White privilage and superiority complexs' have blinded you from the most meaningful experiences in life. Your loss.

Originally posted by twtankhamwn
Wow. I'm from the "real" southside.

. . .

White privilage and superiority complexs' have blinded you from the most meaningful experiences in life. Your loss.

What racist dribble.





Every black person who started doing physics with me in Jr High
was harassed by their own community with such horrible sayings as
"why are you trying to be white." None of them survived the derision to go on to college with us.

As long as White is used as a derogatory term in the Black community this will continue.


Mike Grouchy

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Let me clarify. The White Power structure, not all White people. Chelsea from Bucktown isn't holding Tremaine from Englewood down. She might be the one volunteering for the after school activities for "underserved" children, which is only right.

Officer Dybchzech who just felt on your gonads during an illegal search is holding you down though, literally.... And is always White. And always racist. Every time. Without exception. I've never met a Chicago cop who wasn't racist actually.

G angs have been classically viewed as a by-product of social disorganization, the weakness of traditional institutions, like the schools, to replace the lost primary networks of the traditional world (Thomas and Znaniecki 1916). For Fredric Thrasher, the "father" of gang research, gangs were not about race, but about space, the disorganization of "interstitial eras" of the city. The Chicago School, of which Thrasher was a part, beleived the industrial economy and the American Dream would assimilate all ethnic groups, sooner or later, and dissolve their gangs. But race would profoundly shape the history and contours of Chicago's gangs. While other ethnic groups were on the ladder of assimilation, African Americans were crowded into the south side "Black Belt." As WWI brought more and more African Americans into Chicago to find work, tensions rose. In 1919 a race riot broke out spear-headed by Irish gangs or "social athletic clubs." In the following years, African Americans would stay segregated, while European ethnic groups did not. Violence met attempts by Black families to move out of apartheid conditions into white areas. In the 1920s, Prohibition meant Italians and Sicilians would sieze control of the bootlegging industry and replace the Irish on top of the rackets. The Irish ran the legal politics and the Italians the illegal one and they worked together just fine. Al Capone replaced Johnny Torrio as the head of a network of neighborhood gangs which later became what is called the "Outfit." Chicago had the nation's highest rates of violence as reformers attempted to destroy the bootleggers but failed. Mexican immigration which also began in the labor needs of WWI, continued until the depression, when large scale deportations crippled the Mexican community. Mexican immigration would resume in the labor shortage years of WWII and after. In those post WWII years, Puerto Ricans would migrate to Chicago in large numbers for the first time.

In the 1950s, the spaces of the city began to be more sharply contested as the number African Americans had grown so large that a second ghetto, Lawndale on the west side, joined the southside Black Belt. Rather than promote integration as had occured with white ethnic groups, the Chicago Democratic Party, loed by former gang member Richard J. Daley, planned for continuing segregation. To block westward movement of African Americans into Daley's home ward, Bridgeport, an expressway and an 18 tower housing project served as a wall of segregation. By the 1950s, most white ethnic gangs had faded away, their members finding jobs through patronage in teh Democratic machine, often as police. The Outfit had found a niche in Chicago's political life. African American gangs, however, would organize at first as gangs always did, but were faced by barriers to mobility. The 1960s would see both an involvement of Black and Latin gangs in the underground economy and the civil rights movement. As the gangs joined into the political and social turmoil of the times, many gangs formed legitimate social and economic organizations, including a variety of educational programs (Short 1976), The Vicelords ran alternative schools and started businesses in Lawndale (Dawley 1992). The Blackstone Rangers built a controversial job training program with educational components (Fry 1973). But by the late 1960s public policy turned 180 degrees as mayor Daley and State Attorney Hanrahan declared “war” on gangs (Chicago Police Department 1969). The ensuing repression sent gang members flooding into the prisons and the era of experimentation was dead

Source: www.uic.edu...

legalise drugs
easy fix

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how racist are you? do you really believe its only minority groups that live in poverty?
Segregation can lead to a very small perception of reality.

reply to post by twtankhamwn


familiarity can breed contempt.
this works both ways

Originally posted by twtankhamwn
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

Let me clarify. The White Power structure, not all White people. Chelsea from Bucktown isn't holding Tremaine from Englewood down. She might be the one volunteering for the after school activities for "underserved" children, which is only right.

Officer Dybchzech who just felt on your gonads during an illegal search is holding you down though, literally.... And is always White. And always racist. Every time. Without exception. I've never met a Chicago cop who wasn't racist actually.

Many black officers will go after the black, white, mexican gang members too... Stop playing the race card acting like you're targeted... Maybe the reason why they're going after minorities is because the majority of the crime is being caused by minorities... If the minorities on the southwest side of chicago werent being criminals people and cops wouldnt be judging them/going after them.... Stop breaking the laws...

And alot of those kids you speak of from those neighborhoods are not brilliant, they're violent criminals who try to steal and hurt others... Growing up in poverty is no excuse for being a ruthless criminal, there are many cases of people making it out of the ghetto without breaking any laws...

someone needs to create more jobs in this city because this sh** is f*** up and bullsh**

Yes, come parts of the west and south side looks like a ghost town

It won't be long before people will say 'welcome to the suck' in Chicago, just as they say when one arrives in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Originally posted by Fineousstitch
reply to post by twtankhamwn

 

how racist are you? do you really believe its only minority groups that live in poverty?
Segregation can lead to a very small perception of reality.

How racist are YOU? You guys jump all over me when I give you a southsiders perspective, yet say nothing to the people posting things like "typical blacks" or "Minorities ARE dangerous thats why we treat them so".

You guys are on the outside looking in.

Why do white people think they're experts in everyones problems worldwide? Probably because another White "expert" told you so on TV.

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by twtankhamwn
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

Let me clarify. The White Power structure, not all White people. Chelsea from Bucktown isn't holding Tremaine from Englewood down. She might be the one volunteering for the after school activities for "underserved" children, which is only right.

Officer Dybchzech who just felt on your gonads during an illegal search is holding you down though, literally.... And is always White. And always racist. Every time. Without exception. I've never met a Chicago cop who wasn't racist actually.

Many black officers will go after the black, white, mexican gang members too... Stop playing the race card acting like you're targeted... Maybe the reason why they're going after minorities is because the majority of the crime is being caused by minorities... If the minorities on the southwest side of chicago werent being criminals people and cops wouldnt be judging them/going after them.... Stop breaking the laws...

And alot of those kids you speak of from those neighborhoods are not brilliant, they're violent criminals who try to steal and hurt others... Growing up in poverty is no excuse for being a ruthless criminal, there are many cases of people making it out of the ghetto without breaking any laws...

edit on 13-7-2012 by jhn7537 because: (no reason given)

The majority of crime is drug related, overwhelmingly cannabis offenses, and the majority being targeted and locked up are minority... Even though there is an equal percentage of drug abuse among Whites. This has even been all over the papers, Reader, Trib. etc.... Stand on North ave and Damen, in Wicker park.You'll smell cannabis up and down the street, police will pass by the majority white crowds, and they do nothing. Stand on 63rd and Racine, just stand there, I guaranty within the hour you'll be being harassed and checked for warrants by the police.

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They've convinced themselves that white privilege doesn't exist and that it is somehow racist. I guess they don't know what institutionalized racism is. They really think you're talking about them personally or all white people. en.wikipedia.org...

Redlining is just one example...which still goes on today directly helped create the ghettos and create prevalent poverty in the black community. Blacks are routinely discriminated against by banks and do not get approved for loans even if they have better jobs, better credit ratings, better everything than whites.

Redlining is the practice of denying, or increasing the cost of services such as banking, insurance, access to jobs,[2] access to health care,[3] or even supermarkets[4] to residents in particular, often racially determined,[5] areas.

Although in the United States informal discrimination and segregation have always existed, the practice called "redlining" began with the National Housing Act of 1934, which established the Federal Housing Administration (FHA).[10] The federal government contributed to the early decay of inner city neighborhoods by withholding mortgage capital and making it difficult for these neighborhoods to attract and retain families able to purchase homes.[11]

During the heyday of redlining, the areas most frequently discriminated against were black inner city neighborhoods. For example, in Atlanta in the 1980s, a Pulitzer Prize-winning series of articles by investigative reporter Bill Dedman showed that banks would often lend to lower-income whites but not to middle- or upper-income blacks.

Dan Immergluck writes that in 2002 small businesses in black neighborhoods still received fewer loans, even after accounting for business density, business size, industrial mix, neighborhood income, and the credit quality of local businesses.[20] Gregory D. Squires wrote in 2003 that it is clear that race has long affected and continues to affect the policies and practices of the insurance industry.[21] Workers living in American inner cities have a harder time finding jobs than suburban workers.[22

Lending institutions such as Wells Fargo have been shown to treat black mortgage applicants differently when they are buying homes in white neighborhoods than when buying homes in black neighborhoods.

Bank of America on Wednesday was ordered by the Justice Department to pay a $335 million settlement for the company’s part in a discriminatory lending market that denied black and Hispanic home buyers the approval needed to purchase homes.

Allegations against Countrywide involved more than 200,000 minority borrowers and found that Countrywide charged those lenders more money than they charged to white borrowers with similar credit profiles from 2004 through 2008.

www.inquisitr.com...

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you may not be aware but your president is... wait for it... wait for it... BLACK!!!!
there's that glass ceiling again lol

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This is what happens when you ban legal citizens their right to own and bear arms...

Allow citizens to exercise that right again, which leftwingers love to take away, and you will see how fast this will improve...

BTW, after this happens you also have to give some time, since legal firearms have been banned in Chicago how many decades ago?

Also get rid/fire Rham Emmanuel, he, and others like him are the cancer of this nation, and don't ever allow him to get a government job EVER...

Originally posted by jjkenobi

Elect more liberals in Chicago to continue to raise taxes and pass stricter gun laws. It's worked so far right?

You have got to joking. You must be because Chicago is the way it is BECAUSE OF LIBERALS/LEFTWINGERS...

And leftwingers want to do the same to the rest of the states in the U.S.

Originally posted by twtankhamwn


Do you, White people, know why you're REALLY scared to be in a group of young minorities? It's because, even if just subconsciously, you know why they're there, in the poor shape they're in. You're ancestors destroying their civilizations. And you haven't done anything to make it right. And they know this too. And know you know they know.

My ancestors had nothing to do with Black Americans. It is not my responsibility to make anything right for anyone! I will not, under any circumstance accept blame for what a small group of people did to the african people. I feel no guilt, and I shouldn't.

Your statement shows that your still expecting the white man to "make things right" well wtf do you want buddy? A gold medal, some free stuff? Seriously......get a grip. We are all in this # together at this point regardless of race. Pull yourself up. I grew up in a # neighborhood in Chicago and I pulled myself out. It wasn't that hard....its called - get a fkin job. Make friends, don't go to jail.

White people aren't scared, they are annoyed.

Originally posted by randomname


why do you blame the government.

where is personal responsibility.
...

Why blame the government? Actually parts of the government?... Because like in the UK, Democrats and other gun-grabbers in the U.S. claimed that by banning firearms in cities like Chicago that crime would get better, but guess what?... Crime ALWAYS gets worse when regular civilians are banned from owning and using firearms...

Take for example Wyoming, yes there are less people there, but for the past 15 years drug cartels have been moving drugs into places like Wyoming, yet they know not to confront regular civilians because firearms are not banned there.

Criminals try to avoid confrontation with any civilian in Wyoming, and the only places where drugs are sold is either on nightclubs, or if you personally know the criminal selling the drugs. The criminals that sell drugs go after young impressionable people even in Wyoming, but they know not to tackle more mature individuals...

Even with the introduction of hard drugs in Wyoming crime is not as bad over there.

When criminals know that civilians have firearms you think the criminal will try to confront 10-15 people in the streets all armed? In places like Wyoming if someone sees you in trouble they will help you, even if it means using their firearm. However criminals there have learnt to stay away from regular people whenever possible.

In Wyoming you can still park in a convinience store and leave your car/truck running while you go buy a cup of coffee and noone will try to steal your car...

Also, the fact that people in Detroit are using their government checks to play at casinos should be enough reason to stop giving them government assistance... If they can play in casinos they should be able to hold a job at Walmart...

Originally posted by twtankhamwn
...
Do you, White people, know why you're REALLY scared to be in a group of young minorities? It's because, even if just subconsciously, you know why they're there, in the poor shape they're in. You're ancestors destroying their civilizations. And you haven't done anything to make it right. And they know this too. And know you know they know.

Stop blaming others for what you do... I am latino, and I had a rough life, but I didn't turn into a life of crime.

The problem with most people, apparently with you too, is that you don't want to take responsibility for your actions. You want to blame society, or white people, or how your mother or father treated you for the actions YOU decide to take.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how society treats you, or how you had it rough in your life, YOU decide what path you will follow. It is not the fault of anyone else but YOU.

Southern Illinois should be set free of Chicago's grip.

Chicago should be it's own state for all I care.

Us here in southern Illinois have to suffer because of the ignorance that is hundreds of miles north of us. Our roads are in shambles, our parks are closing, and the fees to do anything in this state are increasing at an alarming rate.

The corruption in Chicago is what is to be blamed. The "crookedness" of politics has and is ruining this great nation, particularly this state. I feel that old Rod Blago should be on a chain gain cleaning up the country roads and doing some serious community service. But that is not going to happen now is it?

One thing is for sure, we are all screwed because we are a nation of pansies that are too worried about if we are hurting anyones feelings.

We need to get back to some grass roots hardcore take care of your own attitude and things would naturally work itself out. After all isn't that what the gangs do, take care of their own. The cops are not going to save us.

I respect MichaelBrux's points he makes, but it just isn't going to work. Gangs need to be irradicated at all costs to prevent further degredation of our communities and our great country. I am tired of all of the "humanity" talk when these people have no clue about life and what it means to live.

Wipe them all out. That will fix things. Declare martial law and a curfew. If you are out after that time then you will be shot. No ifs ands or butts. If there is an emergency then something could be worked out. I do not have all of the answers but the current way of thinking is not working and these scumbags need dealt with. Good people would stay home and indoors while the crap goes out and gets cleaned up. People who want a safe environment would respect that.

Enough is enough.

The excuses are getting old and innocent people keep on dying because of ignorance and a lack of "balls" to do anything about it.

It is no good to be free if you are going to get shot or stabbed filling up your gas tank at the lcal gas station.

Things are not getting better people. We are slowly eroding into complete shambles and somthing need to be done, because the "love your neighbor, send them a govt check, praying, and voting" things are not working.