Something isn't right here........

As for myself, I don't believe we are ever going to really know the truth about 9/11 or the Kennedy Assinations or Ike meeting UFO drivers in California or Roswell.

We can all certainly speculate as to might have actually happened, but there is so much covertness in what the government does in any branch of it that it would be very difficult to get to the truth about anything anymore. I don't buy into their "transparency" notions anymore either. If they wanted to be all transparent, all they had to do was come clean with the truth about all of these things and more. That will never happen.

As far as 12/21/2012 goes, yes, we are going to see things no other civilization on earth has seen since the days of the Sumerians. Perhaps we can all learn something going forward as we prepare to survive the onslaught of what is to come. Possibly, we can carry things forward from here so that future generations never forget who we are and what we've done.

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Approval through silence.

Point taken but then we need to at least say our say in whatever forum we can manage to do so. If not for ourselves, then to show others that they are not alone. Problem is getting non-believers to listen because when reason fails, there are not many other choices and I can understand the desperation of those that care but cannot change what is.

Back to our stalled evolution posed by BeforeTheHangmansNoose, perhaps we have discovered the tipping point in the evolution of this branch of hominids. We just became too intellectual and left our memory of interdependence behind. We will sacrifice much to get better education or to acquire more stuff, but will not sacrifice anything to retain our humanity. Damn, there I go with the we's again.

So let me just pay homage to those that have and still do pay huge prices for freedom of mind and body, and hope they keep that flame alive and unpolluted.

Great post.
The preemptive wars are what bother me the most, considering what little I know of foreign relations. The reasons for the attacks are still vague, and the Middle East is on the other side of the world. It's like the US government is a child playing "war" on the neighborhood kids with his father's stashed house protection gun.

Sorry if already linked here, you need more people like Senator Sanders.



Seriously, if you have the time to watch, it's worth realising that there's at least one person out there really putting in the good fight for you. Brilliant man, inspiring words, and inspiring courage.

In fact I'm gonna sit and watch it again.

edit - thread here too incase anyone missed it : www.abovetopsecret.com...

You sir deserve a medal for that post, it is indeed the most truth I have read in years, we in the UK lost all our freedom too, we are watched on the Internet 24 hrs of the day, our telephone calls too, and from are all listened too, our TV/Radio news broadcasts are submitted to Government before they are allowed to be broadcast, our post goes missing more now than ever, the list goes on.

I have just today heard that with all these checks made on us (The Public) the terrorists have infiltrated our Police Forces, The Home Office, The Banks, The Army, we in the UK are in grave danger from our own forces, the good guys in the Police & Emergency Planning departments were sacked in 2010 when Cameron took over.

We are told we have 29,000 people in the UK that have guns, knifes, plus other stuff to attack our infrastructure when they are ordered to move, the public have nothing to protect there families with, if we are seen holding a water pistil you could be shot, even kids as young as 6 get surrounded by cops with AK47 guns if the kid has a water type gun in his garden.

When war comes the public wont know who they can trust to help them, as the terror groups have been given the same uniforms and guns as the good cops.

The UK is now certain that a terror attack on the games in London is now 100% certain. mostly because Cameron housed the terrorists within 4 miles of where the London stadium is built, only this week 26 people all armed with guns have been found in London, and we know there are another 11,000 in the London area that have hidden in London departments who are not supposed to be in the UK anyway.

Amen! You are so right! Yuuuuuuuup! Si Si! Yah Yah! Wi Wi! How many ways can I say, wonderfuly expressed.

The only thing we have the power to do right now is to vote out all incumbents.
I don't care how much you "like" your representatives, or how "good a job" you think they are doing - all and I mean all incumbents must be voted out of office. This needs to go on for the next 12 years until we have all citizen politicians. Then they can enact one 6 year term for any and all politicians. We should NOT have professional politicans. Our country was designed to have only citizen politicians.

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That's crazy, i've never heard numbers that big before. If it's true i hope you guys can hold it down over there.

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There's some really insane stuff there, will have to read up on it. I spend that much time amazed and reading about the mess that America is in that I often forget about this country. Time to start paying more attention to what's going on around here. Thanks for your post.

edit : have you got some links to reports for what you're saying there please? Am trying to search now but just asking incase you can help.

Originally posted by Helious

What a shame that we have become this, I often think how the average Roman citizen felt when they witnessed the collapse of there empire, everything they thought they were, everything they thought they could be, I think about this and I can't help but think that they probably felt the same way I do, right now.

A very resounding well down,kinda reminds me of Ross Perot where he states he hears a giant sucking sound,to me that sound is we the people going down the tubes.With all the executive orders being Passed under our noses one has to wonder,where is this all heading.

Although your post is nothing new in my eyes, I agree with all of it. Think about the sleight of hand used here.

President Bush said, "the terrorists want to to steal our freedom but we're not going to let that happen", then he signs the Patriot Act. All the while, people applauding him, just like they applauded Hitler while he was plotting their death right under their noses.

We were told, "if the terrorists instill fear, then they have won". Well guess what? The only thing I am afraid of is our government so in my definition, that makes them the terrorists. We've always been taught that anytime we alter our way of life due to the fear of or threat of terrorism, then they have won. We have done just that with the Patriot Act, the NDAA and all of their respective spawn organizations.

For me, the drones in the U.S. has put things over the top. That is about as "1984" as you can possibly get, but people don't get it. Very little outrage or objection.

Let me say this and let me be clear; these "issues" we're dealing with will NOT be solved from the inside. There is no "magic bullet" politician in Washington who can save us from this police state that is being created. Everybody has been gotten to and everybody is involved. I'm afraid we will never return to the free nation we once were. Our only possible hope is that there truly is a "White Dragon" society of people on the inside who still care about our values, freedom, Bill of Rights and Constitution. The question is, when are they going to step up and stop the decent of our country?

If you want to see what needs to be done, check out this link. www.abovetopsecret.com...

IMO, this is the best way to get the ball rolling to effect the kind of change we want.

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Another "america is a police state" thread.

Get over yourself, a few isolated incidence doesn't make every policemen or women evil.

Tyranny or Liberty. The end.

On September 11 2001, 15 Saudi Arabians kill 2,996 people on US soil.

In some form of "response" America...

Invades:
Iraq
Afghanistan

Carries out drone strikes in:
Pakistan
Somalia
Yemen

Engineers & supports a Coup d'état in Libya
Imposes an almost total economic embargo on Iran

...and Saudi Arabia?
Well in 2003 the US closed Prince Sultan Air Base and pulled all their troops out of Saudi Arabia because it was upsetting the Muslims.

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Yo Sherlock...

You really think the maya prophecy, the so called end of the world (which really just is the end of their calendar), is actually about... tadaaaaa... the USA.

Out of the somewhat 7 billion people on this planet, this has to be about the 350 million that happen to live in the USA? :p

Really :-) Get over yourself!

If 21 12 2012 means anything, anything significant, don't worry, we would know by now.

The only two things we can't foresee would be a super volcano, or a rogue asteroid, but if that happens... yeaa... pretty much Game Over from there..

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I started out thinking your post was just another one on the government this and the government that but I read it all and it was very heart felt, its what I think everyday.
It all started with "political correctness" some 15 years ago, Canada tryed to tell us what was behind the move to political correctness but we were just to involved in our American way of life to listen. Now we have Obama and all it takes to support socialism, which is non productive, non caring types of people to keep the likes of Obama in office.
Its human nature for people to gavitate towards who ever will give them the most for nothing in return, thats what America is becoming.
We are in a time of extreme history, because if the GOP is lying to us and they lay down and do nothing or allow Obama to walk away with the election then you will see this country transform into total socialism or something horrible where many people parish.

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Well said we are loosing our freedoms, constitutional rights and allot of training and military build up is going in the states. Agencies like DHS just say the word terrorist to anything that threatens them with the help of the Fusion Centers labeling everyone as a threat to national security(72 Fusion Centers and counting now across the country) and then new executive orders get written giving more power to the President and these agencies until our freedom of speech, the rights to bare arms, and freedom of privacy are gone and replaced by a military state. What do we do when most Americans are struggling just to pay their bills and not paying attention to what's going on they think we are all crazy conspiracy theorists

America wants a war with Russia and China. They've space weapons that have been being built from reverse engineered technology for 60 years since Roswell and it's begging to be used. They're just going to keep poking the bears until they get the desired response. I remember a strategist on Alex Jones said they'd even allow nuclear missiles to strike the mainland just to help depopulate some of us.

And yeah, putting the likelihood of a major war aside, it'll be Nineteen Eight-Four if we continue at this rate. It's hard to retaliate when such a small group holds all the technical and economic power.

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Well, according to Mayan theory, there's a race of eight horses and right now the dark horse is winning the race. Whenever the nations of the bear, weasel, and dragon join together (Russia, middle east, China) they will attack the land of the eagle (US) and pluck all of the feathers from its being while issuing its destruction.

Setting aside the Mayans for a moment, the west thinks in terms of decades (if that) while eastern peoples tend to think in centuries. The US was young and studly and feeling its oats when it reigned terror on the east, but now its infrastructure, productivity and will are aging at a rapid pace from corrupt living and its eyesight is fading, so the gathering thunderstorm coming from the east is still too vague and blurry to see.

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Ok. The issue you face here though is that in order to force any change, I don't see someone stepping forward and changing things peacefully (unless you believe the guy who posted in another forum that on 12/21/12 when we wake up the Earth would magically be in a different solar system with 2 different moons and further upon getting out of bed all 8 billion of us would realize that we all need to make peace).

But I digress - there is SO much money/power/wealth behind the current state that only a grass roots movement that is at the VERY least prepared for armed battle and more than likely will have to participate in conflict. This grass roots movement is also going to need one thing the other side literally prints as it sees fit - money. Where is that coming from? Nations that have successful revolutions are either funded or directly supported by other nations. Who is the US's night in shining armor? Israel? Please.

So unless you have some otherworldly idea, or can resolve the dilemma I've put forth, take comfort in your iPADS and your cheeze puffs.