Originally posted by kabfighter
People who have a legitimate need for opioid pain medicines often do not become addicted.
I have defended opiates in this thread quite vigorously, but even I take issue with this statement.
If you are taking them for a short period of time, a couple weeks or so, then yes the odds of getting actually addicted is quite low. More likely
people that continue to use them after they are no longer in pain just liked how it made them feel and want to keep using them.
But anybody, regardless of pain level or anything else, who takes opiates for a long period of time WILL become physically, and likely mentally
addicted. Physical addiction is not a possibility, it's a fact. Your body will get used to them, and when you stop, you'll get sick. It doesn't
matter if it's for legit pain or not. There may be 12 people on the planet that are somehow genetically immune to physical opiate addiction, but for
everybody else, take them for a long period of time, you'll be sicker than a dog when you stop.
Originally posted by ThisIsNotReality
but they are not profitable enough, it's easier to mix some chemicals in a factory and bottle them, than it is to grow organic plants and process
them for medicinal use.
How do you think ancient man dealt with all kinds of symptoms?
You can grow an organic plant and process it for medical use, with the exact same side effects as pharmaceuticals. It's called Papaver Somniferum,
the Opium Poppy. From which all manner of opiates are produced. Heroin, Oxycontin (made from Thebaine, an Alkaloid in Opium) Morphine, Codeine (which
is basically just Morphine, as Codeine is a prodrug and metabolized by the liver into Morphine)
In fact taking pure opium is even WORSE from an addiction standpoint than pharmaceutical opiates. Orally consuming Opium results in you receiving all
of the Alkaloids in Opium, not just a single one. This means when you go through withdrawals, you are going through it for many different drugs, not
Also, orally consumed opium, as opposed to pharmaceuticals derived from Opium, has a half life that's much longer than every single pharmaceutical
Opiate, aside from Methadone. This means two things. First of all, the effects (pain relief, high, etc) is longer, usually anywhere from 10 hours, to
a whole day) which is a really good thing.
And second of all, the withdrawals that you get from opium are ALSO longer, meaning instead of a couple days of withdrawals you get from
pharmaceuticals, you can possibly go through withdrawals from Opium for a week or longer, which is a really bad thing.
The whole idea that something being all natural as opposed to something synthesized somehow makes it better is just bunk. As I have just demonstrated,
taking natural opium is going to be WORSE than taking pretty much any pharmaceutical opiates when it comes to addiction and withdrawals.
As far as ancient man dealing with pain, well a lot of the times they used opium. Thing's haven't really changed that much, it's been known for a
long, long time that there's no match to Opium's pain killing power.
Alcohol was also used extensively in the past for it's painkiller qualities.
As far as other parts of your post, where you are obviously referring to Cannabis being used as a painkiller (because every single other natural plant
with painkiller properties CAN and DOES kill, so there really can't be anything else you're talking about) I already covered this earlier in the
thread. While it's definitely useful for some types of pain, for others it's useless and can actually make the pain worse.
As far as the legality is concerned, there are quite a few states that allow it for medical purposes. If you are living life in pain, and have NO
other options, moving to a state that allows you to legally get relief from your ills shouldn't be a big deal. Your health and well being is the most
important thing, so deal with it and go to a state that allows it. While it's still illegal on a federal level, the vast vast majority of medical
users never have a problem with it. It's just not worth it to the feds to bust medical users without the support of the local authorities, unless
they are getting carried away and growing a huge amount of it, selling it, or otherwise making themselves a target.
In addition to that, the medical field obviously realizes the usefulness of Cannabis, as they have several medications based on it, Marinol and
Sativex. Although they don't work as well as the base material because they are isolated compounds, which don't always work as well as the long list
of active chemicals in Cannabis. Such medications are perfectly legal for any doctor to prescribe, however.