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All in the Name of $$$ Oxycontin Makers Pushing for FDA to Ok Use for SIX YEAR OLDS

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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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I'm not blaming the pharmaceutical companies, I'm blaming doctor error, multiple doctor prescribing with drug interactions, and patients for sharing meds.


Good.
My point in joining this thread was to defend the monster called "Big Pharma".
While pharmaceutical companies do engage in less than ethical behaviors, these behaviors are the result of government mandate and placing blame upon them is misguided and will do no good.

People die from substance abuse and misuse for one and only one reason.

Human error.

Cutting access to the medications will NOT solve the problem; however, it will create many, many MORE problems.
Solve human error and solve the problem.

As a matter of fact, I think that they make a pill for that called Adderall.



And doctors do prescribe narcotics to pregnant women, although it is ill-advised. If a women is already a long-term user of pain meds, then taking her off the meds while she is pregnant may have unintended complications. It is fairly common for pregnant women to be prescribed pain meds, and anti-depressants both.


Pregnant women who are opiate dependent are put on methadone and monitored relentlessly.

I do have problems with anti-depressants and prescribing habits, but that is for another thread.

When doctors follow appropriate protocol, these problems are avoided.
But as I said, the problems result from human error.




posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Pregnant women who are opiate dependent are put on methadone and monitored relentlessly.

I do have problems with anti-depressants and prescribing habits, but that is for another thread.

When doctors follow appropriate protocol, these problems are avoided.
But as I said, the problems result from human error.


I don't know what state you are in, but there is nothing in my state requiring a doctor to follow that protocol, and methadone is very rarely used, if at all. About the only people using methadone are the very high-end pain clinics with pain management specialists.

There is nothing restricting a doctor from prescribing basic pain meds to a pregnant woman, and it happens often.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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My point in joining this thread was to defend the monster called "Big Pharma".


So when Perdue purposefully lies about the dangers of the drugs they make, falsifies test results and knowingly defrauds the public they have only done this due to governmental mandates? Surely you would agree they lie about their drugs, yes? How is this not their fault?

CJ
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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What parent or doctor would be dumb enough to give oxycontin to children? Even if they allow the use for 6 year old's i find it very hard to believe parents and doctors would go along with it.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Yes... This happens, but it is most certainly not advised by pharmaceutical companies.

Doctors prescribe any number of drugs for off label use, but as I have said, this is not the fault of the pharmaceutical companies.

The OP discusses a study being done by Purdue, which happens to be a very beneficial study, in my opinion.

The prevalence rate of substance abuse, which is the percentage that abuse occurs within a population over a period of time, has NOT seen a drastic increase.
Yes, more people have access to opiates, but the percentage of the population suffering from abuse disorders has remained steady.
IN SPITE of more opiates being available on the market.

Placing blame upon the corporations themselves is simply wrong.

Look at who makes the rules the guides corporate behavior.

That is the problem.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by kyviecaldges
 





My point in joining this thread was to defend the monster called "Big Pharma".


So when Perdue purposefully lies about the dangers of the drugs they make, falsifies test results and knowingly defrauds the public they have only done this due to governmental mandates? Surely you would agree they lie about their drugs, yes? How is this not their fault?

CJ
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Individuals within a corporation may have falsified results.
It happens all the time.

But this is not the fault of "the big bad corporation".

This is the result of growth pressures that result from government mandates.

You guys are placing blame wrongly and because of that nothing will change.

If you want to see WHY someone would behave in such a way then look at the rewards that they get from doing so.

Message boards are what Stalin referred to as "pressure release valves".
They are necessary in any dictatorship because they give people the catharsis associated with change without actually changing anything.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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Not blaming the drug companies is like not blaming the drug cartels. People are addicted to this stuff just like heroine. On the street they pay $30.00 for 1 pill. People are dying and huge profits are being made legally and then again illegally. The drug companies are profiting off of a dangerous drug. If you think thats ok there is problem in the way you think.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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So then, by your argument, neither corporations OR governments are ever at fault. It is only individuals within. Guess that makes your "government mandate" argument wrong. Nice Stalin reference, lol. I'm sure he was referring to the internet. By the way, you must think the Stalinist torture regime was not at fault for doing what they did to 20 million Russians - it was only individuals who did it on their own.

CJ
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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I can honestly say...you are, I think, the first real *shill* I've ever encountered on ATS.....


Des



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone
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I can honestly say...you are, I think, the first real *shill* I've ever encountered on ATS.....


Des



I know you are not one to say things like that and you have an open mind Destinyone. Sadly, I think the same thing too.

CJ



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Nomed
Not blaming the drug companies is like not blaming the drug cartels. People are addicted to this stuff just like heroine. On the street they pay $30.00 for 1 pill. People are dying and huge profits are being made legally and then again illegally. The drug companies are profiting off of a dangerous drug. If you think thats ok there is problem in the way you think.


This statement sounds fancy, but it does not contain one lick of scientific validity.

Pharmaceutical companies produce medications, some of which have the possibility to produce abuse or dependence, but their benefits greatly outweigh the dangers.

Heroin, like methadone, does not produce the analgesic benefits of other common pain killers.
That is why methadone is only used for pain control in off label situations and why heroin is a schedule 1 narcotic.
Your comparison is truly like comparing apples and oranges.

Corporations play by a very strict set of codes and regulations that do not apply to drug cartels.

Drug companies that profit from supposedly "dangerous drugs" are no different than you enjoying cheap gasoline at the price of dead arabs.
The problem is not the company, but the system that governs it.

As long as those who complain lack the fortitude to change the structure governing corporate behavior then NOTHING will change.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by kyviecaldges
 


So then, by your argument, neither corporations OR governments are ever at fault. It is only individuals within. Guess that makes your "government mandate" argument wrong.


Please do not mis-interpret what I have said.
Corporations and governments are not the same and no where have I said that.

Individuals who are voted on by the people created the mandates that govern individual and corporate behavior.
(really its' the same thing citizens united)

I am sure that wikipedia can explain to you how the government works.


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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by kyviecaldges
 


I can honestly say...you are, I think, the first real *shill* I've ever encountered on ATS.....


Des



I know you are not one to say things like that and you have an open mind Destinyone. Sadly, I think the same thing too.

CJ


Sadly, you had to resort to the standard "shill" defense.

Weak.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by kyviecaldges

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by kyviecaldges
 


So then, by your argument, neither corporations OR governments are ever at fault. It is only individuals within. Guess that makes your "government mandate" argument wrong.


Please do not mis-interpret what I have said.
Corporations and governments are not the same and no where have I said that.

Individuals who are voted on by the people created the mandates that govern individual and corporate behavior.
(really its' the same thing citizens united)

I am sure that wikipedia can explain to you how the government works.




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You really aren't staying on topic in this thread. Your real agenda is a political one. I suggest you start your own thread in the Political Forums, rather than shoving your ideals down our throats here in this thread. Some of us may even follow you to YOUR thread and debate politics with you.

Just a suggestion...mind you...

Des

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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by kyviecaldges

When I was in schoool I had to give a crack baby (yes, this is a medical term) morphine because it was having withdrawals. The poor bugger was only a few days old.


This statement is a perfect example of the hysteria based mis-information found throughout this thread.

The "crack baby" myth is just that.... It is a MYTH.

And to top of this tripe, the last thing a medical professional would give to a baby high on crack...
Is MORPHINE.
Seriously people.
Take off your tin foil conspiracy hats and come back to reality.


edit on 3/7/2012 by kyviecaldges because: (no reason given)


I used the term 'crack baby' in an improper context. However, the baby was born addicted to coc aine and was going through neonatal abstinence syndrome; the morphine was used to treat the withdrawal symptoms. There is no conspiracy here. I'm a registered nurse, not a tin-foil hat wearing nut.

Here's a source for you regarding the use of opiates to treat withdrawals in neonates.

"Some babies with severe symptoms need medicine to treat withdrawal symptoms. Medicines may include:

-Morphine

-Methadone"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:01 PM
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The prevalence rate of substance abuse, which is the percentage that abuse occurs within a population over a period of time, has NOT seen a drastic increase. Yes, more people have access to opiates, but the percentage of the population suffering from abuse disorders has remained steady.
IN SPITE of more opiates being available on the market


Ah, no. Reread the thread, or simply read it for the first time. You are ulitmately going to get into a debate about the word "drastic" aren't you? To deny the increase in abuse of opioids is frankly silly. Perhaps you should check the wiki to learn about the increase in opioid abuse specifically pertaining to oxycontin.

CJ



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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You really aren't staying on topic in this thread. Your real agenda is a political one. I suggest you start your own thread in the Political Forums, rather than shoving your ideals down our throats here in this thread. Some of us may even follow you to YOUR thread and debate politics with you.

Just a suggestion...mind you...


Your pedestrian debate skills have frightened me into submission.

Cheers.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by kyviecaldges
reply to post by Destinyone
 



You really aren't staying on topic in this thread. Your real agenda is a political one. I suggest you start your own thread in the Political Forums, rather than shoving your ideals down our throats here in this thread. Some of us may even follow you to YOUR thread and debate politics with you.

Just a suggestion...mind you...


Your pedestrian debate skills have frightened me into submission.

Cheers.


I'm not here in this thread to debate you...never claimed to be a debater. I'm here to discuss this topic...

All in the Name of $$$ Oxycontin Makers Pushing for FDA to Ok Use for SIX YEAR OLDS

You are the one who is viewing every post here as a debate. A position to be won at all costs.

Des



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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I used the term 'crack baby' in an improper context. However, the baby was born addicted to coc aine and was going through neonatal abstinence syndrome; the morphine was used to treat the withdrawal symptoms.


Babies are not born addicted to coc aine.

Cocaine does not created a physical dependency.
Although crack coc aine has shown to alter brain chemistry in a limited fashion during post acute withdrawals, this is not passed onto babies.
I will repeat, crack babies are a myth.

Cocaine does not cause physical dependence.

You either do not know what you are talking about or you don't know what you are talking about.

In the link that you posted it said that morphine and methadone MAY be used, but they are certainly NOT used for anything coc aine.

Seriously, you are only digging your hole bigger and proving to me that you are a fraud.
You and I know the truth.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by kyviecaldges


Heroin, like methadone, does not produce the analgesic benefits of other common pain killers.
That is why methadone is only used for pain control in off label situations and why heroin is a schedule 1 narcotic.



According to my drug book, methadone is indicated for severe pain, whereas oxycodone is indicated for moderate pain. Methadone is a very powerful narcotic, and many people who use methadone to get off using heroin become addicted to the methadone instead. Pain control is not an off-label use for methadone...I administered it to a patient for pain several days ago. It's not extraordinarily common, but it is an approved use.

Opioids are classified as pregnancy category C, which means that adverse effects to the fetus have been noted in animal studies, but no conclusive human trials have been done and the benefits of use must be weighed against the risks to the fetus and mother. This is in contrast to category X, which are drugs known to be extraordinarily harmful to the fetus. Birth control pills are an example of category X medications.



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