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Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible

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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
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I think people are waking up and discovering different aspects of spirituality and rejecting the old outdated books.


Some are ALSO waking up to the TRUTH:

ATHEIST George Rodonaia - Three Days in a Morgue
ATHEIST PROFESSOR IN HELL - Howard Storm
Howard Storm Interview
A former atheist went to hell...what he saw




posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
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Oh and why is it born again religious people are always the loudest banging the drum?


God is banging the drum. As you can see from the figures above, He's been doing this for a long time. No offense but you don't have ears to hear because you're trying so hard to play your own instrument louder. Perhaps you are more religious about your beliefs than I.

Religion was never the point. Love is the point, and Christ was the perfect example of that.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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There were/are numerous Messiahs. The concocted life of Jesus, meant to conveniently fit the scriptures, is not the messiah that Isaiah was talking about, if these even are the words of Isaiah, which it probably isn't.


The historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is practically indisputable and only a fool would argue otherwise.

There is more verification for the historicity of Jesus than any other person in all of ancient history.






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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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Right! And the Bible was compiled well after the fact and could have been written to support prophecies. The Bible and the dubious writers are completely unreliable.


Hmmm, WHERE have we heard that before, WAIT... is that a snake in your avatar?


Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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Yeah, way to get down to the reliability of the Bible, by citing a talking snake! HAHA.

There is no snake in my Avatar, that I created. There is an eagle, and the person riding in the sphere (me) is clothed in wind and water.

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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Considering the sheer number of biblical manuscripts in existence(thousands), and of those, only a small portion of that number pre-date 600AD if memory serves. That would leave the bible fully open to retro-fitting. Or in other words, making the text match the events, instead of the events matching the text.

In my opinion, this has to be considered a plausible scenario. Especially considering many Christians reject certain manuscripts based on their origins, and their "lack of continuity" with the rest of "accepted" scripture.

What also needs to be considered is the ambiguity of many prophecies. Leading to making the prophecy fit the event. And of course, of necessity, we must include those times when prophecy was "fulfilled" intentionally by those who had/have a vested interest in the bible's "inerrancy" and "infallibility".

Now the last one may seem a stretch to many. But remember, the victors, and those in the seats of power write history. However an event may have really happened, has little to do with how that event is remembered to have happened, or written to have happened.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Do you have a source for your content?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by deadeyedick
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Do you have a source for your content?


David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Ryan Dawson, Acharya (Zeitgeist), Ben Stewart (Thrive, Kymatica, Esoteric Agenda), Mitchell Aguilar, Russ Kick all believe or claim Jesus and God are myths, metaphors, or never existed.

The secularists are more fanatical than any religious cult. Have you ever noticed this fact: Atheists claim they do not believe in the existence of God, yet they spend all their time fighting Him and making negative comments about God.

Atheism is more than disbelief; it is a well-financed movement with a stealth agenda. God and religion are separate entities that get intertwined together by man. Atheism is also an Illuminati tool to control you. If not why is their goal to have a world without a god?




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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by deadeyedick
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Do you have a source for your content?


Here ya go. Sorry, I usually do link the source of my content.


www.cgg.org...



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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I am not an atheist, I just can't buy into Bible stories, and I think that guy in the OT is an impostor, and not GOD.


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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by DarkKnight21
Approximately 2000 out of 2500 Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled to the letter - no errors.

(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^5.)*

(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^5.)

(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^11.)

(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^13.)

(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^15.)

(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^9.)

(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^18.)


(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).

This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^20.)

(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^5.)

(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^7).

(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously—and accurately, according to the eye-witness account—by a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^9).

(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^8).

(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^13).




Since you appear to have written this tell us the calculations you used for the probabilty and show all your sources. Please.


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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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The secularists are more fanatical than any religious cult. Have you ever noticed this fact: Atheists claim they do not believe in the existence of God, yet they spend all their time fighting Him and making negative comments about God.

Christians believe in God, and fanatically spend all their time trying to convince everyone else he's real. Have you ever noticed this fact? Christians believe in God, and they spend all their time trying to make the world believe, think, and act as they do.



Atheism is more than disbelief; it is a well-financed movement with a stealth agenda. God and religion are separate entities that get intertwined together by man. Atheism is also an Illuminati tool to control you. If not why is their goal to have a world without a god?

Christianity is more than a belief, it is an exceptionally well financed religion with a stealth agenda. It is a tool to make the rich, richer, and more powerful. And it is an Illuminati tool to control the masses. If not, why is their goal to proselytize the world, and pray for a fiery end?

You see, it works both ways Murgatroid. You see atheists as part of a conspiracy to rid the world of God. And they see Christianity as a cult that is trying to take over the world and enforce their draconian beliefs and lifestyle globally.

The truth is, atheists comprise less than 1% of the worlds population. Christianity has a much higher probability of winning that war than atheists do. Even without inquisitions and crusades.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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Yeah, way to get down to the reliability of the Bible, by citing a talking snake! HAHA.


At least WE don't believe him...



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by windword
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Yeah, way to get down to the reliability of the Bible, by citing a talking snake! HAHA.


At least WE don't believe him...



Perhaps you do but you don't realize it? His point is that you mentioned a snake in his avatar despite it not even being a snake. Your mind-state is fixated on what your belief system entails; which would be talking snakes that resemble satan in this case.

....Fact is, everyone is pointing their finger at somebody else, while simultaneously keeping their other hand raised to their "God". Your particularly tyrannical version doesn't fit everyone's bill.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 12:44 AM
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These aren't fulfilled prophecies; these are self-fulfilled prophecies. These are the writers of the New Testament going back and sculpting their stories around the Old Testament prophecies.

Take some time and read the Qur'an and bear witness to God's final revelation for mankind. It corrects a lot of the errors in the Bible.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:34 AM
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Well what about The Atheists that didn't see hell and didn't have a "biblical" near death experience? What about Muslims who see Muhammad in heaven? Or Buddhists that see The Buddha in Heaven? Or any other people of many different religions that make it to heaven?

You are very bias, you are only looking at things that support the bible and ignoring everything else.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by arpgme
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Well what about The Atheists that didn't see hell and didn't have a "biblical" near death experience?


One of the links I gave actually WAS an Atheist who did not see hell NOR did he have a "biblical" near death experience. But you KNEW that right? Good luck with basing your entire life on one persons NDE.


Originally posted by arpgme
...Or Buddhists that see The Buddha in Heaven?


What about the many Buddhists that see Hell? Oh WAIT, that does not FIT your lifestyle so we'll just skip that part:

Monk who came back from hell


MONK SEES BUDDHA IN HELL AND LIVES TO TELL



Originally posted by arpgme
What about Muslims who see Muhammad in heaven?


What about the countless Muslims who see Jesus?









Originally posted by arpgme
You are very bias, you are only looking at things that support the bible and ignoring everything else.


I am biased for one thing and one thing ONLY: the TRUTH. How about YOU?



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 04:03 AM
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Yes...the BIble is true. The rapture is coming. Everybody...duck an cover !!!!



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 04:27 AM
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Thanks for the thread!

This one:




(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.


Always made me wonder, if anyone tried to go against God's words, today, upon those very ruins, attempting to make God's word a lie by attempting to counter whatever is said in scripture, would that person be affected in some way that will leave him unable to do these things, via death by plane crash, snake bite in the desert..

Hey, I believe this... Call me what you will, but just because someone says' it's not real doesnt mean it isnt. Just as many would say the counter is true. My belief makes me no less human than anyone else.


Also, you had one relating to Jerecho being rebuilt. This one struck a chord with me.

Does anyone else feel like whatever in our lives that relates to God, be it visions, dreams, blessings or anything at all, does it seem like everything kinda happens in reverse, or in a backwards way? I'm not saying that God is backwards, I'm saying that things seem to happen, come forth, come in visions, dreams, life, in a weird twisted, not forward way. Almost like life moves in reverse. I wish I could explain this. It's something I just cant put words to.

Another example: Dreaming all your life, but while living life, finding that your first dreams are your last actions, and your last dreams seem to be moving towards your origin. Or not really in that fashion. Kinda like the end and the beginning all meeting in the middle.

Yeah, you could call me crazy, but I'm perfectly normal. I just like to think about the things that are never obvious. I do see instances of what I believe in all aspects of my life. It's one of those things... You are and have your own proof but I cant prove anything to anyone else. But that's ok, because it's a personal belief, something belonging to oneself that no other can take away from you.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
we are each a God because Iam and you are the center of your own universe.


What makes you think everyone thinks that way? I was born in a world where people are considered separate because they're different in blah or blah, and that it should all be accepted because it's normal, but I sometimes think I'm the only one who has actually accepted it because everyone else still looks at what is different in everybody first.

I have always, since my first memory of thought, looked at myself as a single little black and white dot on the t.v, that would not have purpose at all without every other dot.


Anyways, the thread, yeah I believe the Old testament is a good example of prophecy and how people were no different in intelligence that long ago.
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