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Did Roberts Actually Help Bring Down Obamacare?

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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by seabag
Roberts may have pulled a fast one on Obama and the left. The bar for repeal has been dramatically lowered. Now that Obamacare has been ruled a “tax” it can be repealed by simple 51 vote majority in the senate.


Because Chief Justice John Roberts' majority opinion ruled the individual mandate a "tax," a Republican-led Senate could repeal that provision--and others--using what is called "budget reconciliation," a procedural tactic that requires only a simple majority vote. The Republican vice president, in this hypothetical scenario, would break the tie. (Democrats used the same method in 2010 to pass the health care bill.)
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All of you celebrating your “victory” might want to tone it down. It appears we will see this unconstitutional law easily dismantled very soon should republicans win the white house and pick up a few senate seats. Based on the outrage this issue is creating and the fact that Obama is making this the central issue of his campaign, I don’t see republicans having a problem gaining seats in November.

The next election will decide the outcome and the bar has been lowered.

Thanks, Roberts!





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If it's unconstitutional then why was it ruled constitutional?

Can you tell me that?
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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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Mitt Romney must be so pissed that the SOCUS was messing with his idea ...



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 02:07 AM
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EXACTLY! Glad you 'got it'! I only wish more would!



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


The 'penalty' is the 'mandate'….

If the 'mandate' is a TAX, which the SCOTUS has determined, then it can be easily mitigated.

Suck it up! The party is almost over!




The penalty is not the mandate.
The penalty applies to the mandate.
Big difference.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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The Obama admin said it wasn't a tax it's a penalty. Scotus says it's a tax. In effect, Roberts said it is a tax to make it Constitutional so he won't have to deal with the most Marxist socialist radical administration in American history giving him a hard time and calling SCOTUS partisan, that is, he did it to "protect the integrity of the Supreme Court".
Thanks a lot Roberts. .



Obama has said a lot of things... mostly lies. Why stop now? If it is declared a 'tax', it can be defeated by Congress. We can only hope and pray that those that 'represent' us will now do the right thing!



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
Yeah Obama care was a gop idea that is why they want to get rid of it ???

Seriously?

Wow.


Who are you arguing with?
Are you arguing that they do not really want to get rid of it or that it was not really born in the GOP?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
But those poor unfortunate souls over 70 who will require brain surgery will be subjected to an ethics committee deciding if they are worthy of spending the money. You did know that rationing is a real part of the Act didn't you? Oh wait you probably ridiculed Sarah Palin....

www.therightscoop.com...


I do not fear your death panels because your sources on them are retarded.
A right wing blog CLAIMS a brain surgeon called into a right wing talk show and confirmed this all for you.

Last time I called into Savages show I said I was a doctor too. Why not, he lies about it. Maybe Levine should pick up on that. Maybe your right wing blog can do a little fact checking?
Can you do some fact checking?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by seabag

It's the largest tax increase in the history of mankind and it's partly the reason for the economic slump we have today. What more do I need to know? It's bad!!


No it is not and no, it is not.
How the hell can you say something that has not even been implemented caused the recession that is about a decade old now?
Please show how it is the largest tax increase in the history of mankind.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by seabag

It's the largest tax increase in the history of mankind and it's partly the reason for the economic slump we have today. What more do I need to know? It's bad!!


No it is not and no, it is not.
How the hell can you say something that has not even been implemented caused the recession that is about a decade old now?
Please show how it is the largest tax increase in the history of mankind.

how ???? American Citizen times $285 each equals???
Anyone know how many Americans there are,,,?
dont matter if ur are working,,$285 for a years health coverage,,,
285/12 months=?
depends what u get.
i guess.
Doctors like it,, and good ones make 80,000 too 1,500.00 a yr.,,whats 285,,lol spend that on a Stephoscope

but 14,000 a year,,good luck getting that added to your rent,,,lets see % of income seems off.
little guy screwed.
yup
should be a % of income after expences. in the current fiscal year.pro-rated,etc,,
but hey ,,
A Canadian.
ohh and it is a tax,,,a Tea tax?or just good health care?
up for Debate,,

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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 03:37 AM
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Go ahead, put a gun to my head to pay for your medical bills.

Thank you for considering my FREEDOM, or lack of it.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente
Go ahead, put a gun to my head to pay for your medical bills.

Thank you for considering my FREEDOM, or lack of it.


You people are so programmed to be ass backwards.
Who do you think pays the medical bills of the uninsured right now?
YOU AND I DO!



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:01 AM
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SCOTUS had to rule it was Constitutional.

Otherwise they weren't getting paid. With the Federal Debt limit about reached again...the only way SCOTUS can continue getting paychecks was to rule the new Tax....Constitutional.

It aint rocket science.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by seabag

It's the largest tax increase in the history of mankind and it's partly the reason for the economic slump we have today. What more do I need to know? It's bad!!


No it is not and no, it is not.
How the hell can you say something that has not even been implemented caused the recession that is about a decade old now?
Please show how it is the largest tax increase in the history of mankind.


I won't say it CAUSED the economic slump, but parts of it HAVE been implemented. It surely hasn't helped!



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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If it's unconstitutional then why was it ruled constitutional?

Can you tell me that?


Very simple….

It’s unconstitutional if it’s a mandate to buy a product or service – it’s not unconstitutional if it’s a tax because the constitution permits the government to tax.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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The penalty is not the mandate.

The penalty applies to the mandate.

Big difference.


The mandate would force us to pay $2,000 for coverage if we don’t have our own insurance…..now we will be forced to pay a $2,000 tax if we don’t have insurance and the coverage would be included! What’s the difference?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by eLPresidente
Go ahead, put a gun to my head to pay for your medical bills.

Thank you for considering my FREEDOM, or lack of it.


You people are so programmed to be ass backwards.
Who do you think pays the medical bills of the uninsured right now?
YOU AND I DO!


I don't know about you...but, I'm sick and tired of paying for other people's bills. This new law only makes it that I, and the almost 50% of taxpayers left paying in, will need to pay more to cover everyone else. Tell me, what happens when those of us *still* paying taxes will not be able to float the rest of those who don't. Think China will come to our rescue....

Des




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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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I won't say it CAUSED the economic slump, but parts of it HAVE been implemented. It surely hasn't helped!


Agreed!


And if you look back I said it was “partly” to blame. It’s also kept businesses from expanding and spending capital because they are unsure of the exact costs associated with this program which has surely slowed recovery and kept us in a slump.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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It’s already happening in England!!!


In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly judged as close to death.

Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.

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Once the system is exposed as completely unsustainable they will have no choice but to cut costs. A “death panel” is when someone wants treatment for a family member but is prevented from obtaining it because of rules passed by a cost/benefit rationing board. Obama appointee (Dr, Berwick) believes in the UK model, which includes rationing! The democrats don’t deny this!!



The reality of Obamcare was exposed by republicans more than 3 years ago and its all coming to light now….they were RIGHT!!




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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by seabag
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It’s already happening in England!!!


ITS BEEN HAPPENING IN ARIZONA FOR A WHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by eLPresidente
Go ahead, put a gun to my head to pay for your medical bills.

Thank you for considering my FREEDOM, or lack of it.


You people are so programmed to be ass backwards.
Who do you think pays the medical bills of the uninsured right now?
YOU AND I DO!


I don't know about you...but, I'm sick and tired of paying for other people's bills. This new law only makes it that I, and the almost 50% of taxpayers left paying in, will need to pay more to cover everyone else. Tell me, what happens when those of us *still* paying taxes will not be able to float the rest of those who don't. Think China will come to our rescue....

Des




edit on 1-7-2012 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)


How are you not paying for them now?
I will not have to pay more in taxes under Obamacare, why would you being paying more in taxes to cover other people? Grow up and get health insurance like a responsible member of society and you do not have to worry about it.



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