Starving Greeks queue for food in their thousands

You would have thought that having...

- Trashed the world economy
- Put millions out of their homes
- Exported all the jobs to China
- Pushed thousands into suicide

...that the Socialists would hang their heads in shame, preferably at the end of 6 foot of rope, but NOPE, these foul , shameless buckets of filth are actually demanding, yes DEMANDING even MORE crazy bunk policies. Just how much suffering do the Greeks have to suffer before they finally sanp, go over the edge and lynch these cruel, Socialsit sickos.

Socialism plays a crucial role in advancing the NWO as shown here. Look closely at socialist rhetoric and you will always see plenty of words like "TAKE", "OCCUPY" and "SEIZE"...basicly euphanisms for THEFT.

By persuading stupid people to votes tor them, socialists, once in power, drain all a country's wealth into a central tub, the state, making it easy for the NWO come and collect in a single pump-action.

Furthermore, by polarising all political beliefs into "SOCIALIST" and "GLOBALIST", the NWO give people the choice between a rabble of violent left-wing crazy losers or their own brand "Security". In 1934, Hitler did this in Germany. The "Night of the Long Knives" saw Hitler's SS eliminate not the left but all alternative right wing power groups, including the Brown Shirts in his own party, giving him "Left Wing Street Cred" and allowing him to look reasonable whilst at the same stroke, ensuring that the German people had a choice between himslef and hardline Communism.

And so it is now, with the voter being offered either NWO or Socialism scum - two sides of the same playing card.

What's the news???
Thousands of people starving??
Oh!! It's the rich, first world european class.

coming to a city near you , I fear what will happping in the land of Rape and Money AKA America when this happens there

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Ok, I understand. There are good people and companies! I now also have very little money and become ultra creative with food (no dumpster diving and still veg as that is most important to me).

I love crushed oats, terrific in yoghurt. Fills and heals.

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I am painfully aware of cheap prices being the product of inhuman working conditions else where. Yet when I buy products made in Holland, what's worse? The 3rd world country people now loose just one customer, but what if we all just bought local stuff?

You see the problem? I won't buy Persian tapestries as the Turkish workers become blind due this kind of work. What happens when nobody buys their products?

So we need a totally different approach where the divide between rich and poor is much much smaller.

Originally posted by draco49

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by draco49
Is it really that difficult to stash away extra rice, beans, and canned goods each month? For about $10 a month, I buy an extra 5lbs of rice, 3lbs of dried beans, and a dozen cans of fruits and vegetables just in case something happens. At this point, I've got enough food to get me through an entire year if need be. If people would just employ some basic preparation strategies, standing in a huge public line for food hand-outs wouldn't be necessary.

Right, guarding your stockpile with your life would be necessary instead.

A year's worth of food, supplies, clothing, and water filtration equipment fits neatly in the back of my SUV (along with 30 gallons of reserve fuel). When things go bad, I'll just head into the mountains and set up camp. I won't need to guard my supplies with my life... I've got plenty of ammunition.

A weapon can only be aimed at one target at a time. There would be many starving and desperate people hoping you will share your stash.

Can you take out several targets simultaniously, with one gun? I think not.

Originally posted by silent thunder

This is what happens when countries dance to the tune of financial elites. Greece shares some of the blame for taking on too much debt and unrealistic spending/pension schemes, it is true. But a financial system designed to bleed countries dry and toss them over its shoulder seems a more pressing danger at the moment.

I just want to scream when I hear of people suffering because of money. Money is a GAME! And, it's a game that clearly isn't working. How hard would it be for Greece (and every other nation) to just scrap their current economy, print out new money and start over again? Kick out the banks. Forget loans to and from other countries. Just start over.

Originally posted by jiggerj
I just want to scream when I hear of people suffering because of money. Money is a GAME! And, it's a game that clearly isn't working. How hard would it be for Greece (and every other nation) to just scrap their current economy, print out new money and start over again? Kick out the banks. Forget loans to and from other countries. Just start over.

maybe to every one with garden does vegetable garden,,,,not buying all thw time from supermarket. i guess tho i dont' know about greece much. do they do this already,,,,,if yes what is the scale?

Originally posted by QueenofWeird
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I am painfully aware of cheap prices being the product of inhuman working conditions else where. Yet when I buy products made in Holland, what's worse? The 3rd world country people now loose just one customer, but what if we all just bought local stuff?

You see the problem? I won't buy Persian tapestries as the Turkish workers become blind due this kind of work. What happens when nobody buys their products?

So we need a totally different approach where the divide between rich and poor is much much smaller.

Yes, the problem is that we're talking about two different things. My argument is that we only see "starvation" in Greece because we have trained ourselves to only consume and believe that we are too good to have to produce. Anyone with soil in the garden and seeds to plant will only starve if they are too lazy to get off their backsides and grow something. That might not be an option in many places around the world but here we are talking about first world countries - it would be ludicrous for someone in my town to claim starvation when every house has a garden or access to an allotment. What they lack isn't potential but simply perspective. Money is a tradable equivalent to labour. If you can't pay the shop with money then you pay your garden with labour. Access to seeds is needed, but once a garden is established then seeds can be saved, stored or even distributed.

I understand and largely agree with some of the points you are making, though I think the rich/poor divide is naive and a simple emotional flag for socialists to wave when reason fails. There is no bottomless uncrossable chasm between these sections of society, not in the first world. Countries have been pumping billions of euros/dollars into making the unemployed (poor) feel as rich as the employed. We have trained our poor and unemployed to remain poor and unemployed through trying to force that divide to narrow, instead of providing opportunity and encouragement for them to cross the divide on their own merit. We even have the British PM saying as much in the news this morning, stating that currently "...the system encourages people not to work and have children, but we should help people to work AND have children ... The system currently sends the signal you are better off not working, or working less."

For you to have something, someone has to produce it. When you buy an apple, someone had to be outside in all weathers growing, maintaining, harvesting that apple. While you say the whole world should be soft and fluffy, you seem to be ignoring the fact that the work is still there and still needs to be done. Food still needs to be produced, floors still need to be swept, houses still need to be built, garbage needs to be collected, order needs to be kept and crime punished. If somebody wasn't breaking a sweat on our behalf then we'd live in a world with no food or shelter while swimming in our own garbage and filth, with any scraps we find being taken from us by people with no qualms about using violence for their own benefit.

The alternative, of course, is that instead of making one group work hard to support us, we all do our own bit - as individuals, families or even local communities. We grow our own food, we build our own shelters, we clean up after ourselves, we protect ourselves and keep order. We take responsibility for our own lives. We are all capable of doing that and, not too many generations ago*, that's exactly how we would have lived. If something *drastic* happened tomorrow and we had to revert to that kind of lifestyle, how many do you think would die because they are completely incapable of supporting themselves? We have trained that surivival instinct out of people, we have taught ourselves to rely on our society providing all our needs. We have surrendered responsibility. We have made ourselves "soft and fluffy" because we can't imagine we will need those "hard, dirty or dangerous" skills.

So no, the world shouldn't be soft and fluffy. We all need a bit of a hard edge in life to keep us motivated and to regain some responsibility. Failing to do this leads to a world where a lack of microwave-ready meals is considered "starvation" while the garden is considered nothing more than a place to have a barbeque and some pretty flowers.


* not too many generations on the global timescale, that is, though WWII showed what communities could achieve with the right mindset.

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I hope for a high tech world a la Star Trek. Yes it's far away from our natural state as animal. Nanotech should bring good things (and prob. horrible things as well as the higher the stakes for good, the higher the stakes for bad it seems).

Replicators rule! But I think that is going to be the future, when I don't know. Artificial meat is a good start as creepy as it sounds. I don't think I'll eat it even though no slaughter.

www.technovelgy.com...

EDIT: are you by the way from the US? You refer to socialism. As far as I am concerned there is one way only: the kind way. We here have a party for animals, I vote for them

Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
It's not that bad in Greece, at least not in Athens. My Girlfriend was JUST there and she said you couldn't see any sign that it wasn't business as usual. People working, people in restaurants and cafes, no riots, no soup kitchens.

Is Greece really in that much trouble?

Well, I just received a letter today from a relative who is there now. She says on the islands everything seems business as usual, no apparent food shortages, the locals don't seem much concerned (she actually said "not at all").
She hasn't been to Athens yet.

I should be joining her in August, so I'll be able to see for myself whatever there will be to see.

But you must understand how newspapers work. "Starving" sells many more copies than "feeling the pinch".

One more thing: nothing good ever comes from demagoguery.
And distorting the truth - in this case the truth that the Greeks are not exactly blameless for their disastrous economic situation - doesn't really help anyone.