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Executive Privilege and the Divine Right of Kings

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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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what stereotype?

please clarify.




posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Cynicism is not "total authority". It certainly is not objectivity. It is simply a claim you make. It is usually a claim you make when you have no valid argument regarding law, or Constitution. You instead deflect and remind everyone you're an ex-con and you've seen things.

It reminds me of those plethora of Vietnam films made in the '80's where a character, now a veteran struggling with the past, gives a tearful speech about a chaotic battle that ends with he sticking his hands into the goo that was once his friends face.

It is always a sort of speech to invoke the power of how we cannot possibly know what those in the know really know. It never has anything to do with current circumstances, only to remind us that someone is having troubles letting go of the past.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by g2v12
 



what stereotype?

please clarify.


Unless I am off in left field, someone was critical of your opinions based on the claim that you were a criminal or in prison. If this was not the case, my sincere apologies.

If true, I would be most interested in what you have to say about it.


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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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from my experience, all that the 'people in the know' really know is what they know about you and me. they also know themselves. this is the foundation of their power.

in your effort to know what they know, you neglected to know about yourself and that is why you search endlessly for the answers to your questions. you don't consider the easiest information to obtain to be of value.

what do I know? I know myself. and knowing this has put me in a situation where I don't feel its necessary to know much else.

i guarantee you...that's all the 'people in the know" have.

but if you want to convince me otherwise...i'll read your posts concerning how much smarter they are than me and everyone else.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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If you knew what you claim to know you wouldn't be so foolish as to claim you know that I don't know myself. Lord knows why you've made this claim, other than you cannot help but reveal the truth even as hard as you attempt to obfuscate it.

I get this is a conspiracy web site, and I am not above engaging in a conspiracy or two and even suggested one in this thread by speaking to the Messianic legacy image Obama seems to want to embrace, but you seem to take things to a whole other level.

Most importantly, in your obfuscation, what you always insist on doing is ignoring the obvious and refusing to acknowledge that often times it is the obvious that is the best answer.

The ATF "gunwalking" program was probably illegal and ultimately wound up harming American's. It is a program that deserves to be investigated, but here you are pointing to all different locations except for the one where the problem lies.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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that...yeah...I went to prison for two years about 20 years ago.

but what does it really matter? the last two Governors of my state are in Federal prison right now.

some of you would like to see the President of United States in prison...not just the current one, but the all of them probably along with their Vice Presidents from what I've been reading.

what stereotype?

the last prime minister of Romania shot himself to avoid serving 2 years. the last president of Ukraine is in prison, the last president of Egypt has a life sentence.

Prison is a place people that live life might visit in a slave world.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


from my experience, all that the 'people in the know' really know is what they know about you and me. they also know themselves. this is the foundation of their power.

in your effort to know what they know, you neglected to know about yourself and that is why you search endlessly for the answers to your questions. you don't consider the easiest information to obtain to be of value.

what do I know? I know myself. and knowing this has put me in a situation where I don't feel its necessary to know much else.

i guarantee you...that's all the 'people in the know" have.

but if you want to convince me otherwise...i'll read your posts concerning how much smarter they are than me and everyone else.



By 'people in the know', you are referring to government, is that right? You are saying that the foundation of their authority is maintained through a knowledge of themselves and others?

Can you elaborate on exactly what that knowledge is (pertinent to themselves and us)?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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If you knew what you claim to know you wouldn't be so foolish as to claim you know that I don't know myself. Lord knows why you've made this claim, other than you cannot help but reveal the truth even as hard as you attempt to obfuscate it.

I get this is a conspiracy web site, and I am not above engaging in a conspiracy or two and even suggested one in this thread by speaking to the Messianic legacy image Obama seems to want to embrace, but you seem to take things to a whole other level.

Most importantly, in your obfuscation, what you always insist on doing is ignoring the obvious and refusing to acknowledge that often times it is the obvious that is the best answer.

The ATF "gunwalking" program was probably illegal and ultimately wound up harming American's. It is a program that deserves to be investigated, but here you are pointing to all different locations except for the one where the problem lies.





the Obama jesus thing was obnoxious and I have my suspicions about everyone. at the same time I feel its important to preserve and respect the office he holds without regards to the man.

if he committed a crime, accuse him. give him a quick and speedy trial with a jury of his peers. present the evidence against him in an open court...allow him legal counsel.

but many don't want that...they want a mob of torch bearing zombies to march upon washington to pull him from his home.

the only reason, to me, that they would want something like that is because they know he hasn't done anything.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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i don't mean the government. the government is an inanimate object.

i mean the people that know "more about you than you know about yourself."

the ones that knew you from the day of your birth. but you know them not.

i mean the ones that will charge you a premium price to fill in the blanks of your existence in this world.



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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
This is sounding more and more serious after each and every page.

Issa needs to bring those charges against these men and any Co-Conspirators.


Dont think Obama,isnt one of the Co-Conspirators.

He needs to be held for his crimes in this too.

Getaway drivers get life also,even if they didnt murder.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by g2v12
 


that...yeah...I went to prison for two years about 20 years ago.

but what does it really matter? the last two Governors of my state are in Federal prison right now.

some of you would like to see the President of United States in prison...not just the current one, but the all of them probably along with their Vice Presidents from what I've been reading.

what stereotype?

the last prime minister of Romania shot himself to avoid serving 2 years. the last president of Ukraine is in prison, the last president of Egypt has a life sentence.

Prison is a place people that live life might visit in a slave world.



Isn't there some importance on why individuals go to prison. In your statement, there is no distinction between those who go to prison for political reasons as in contrast with those who are convicted of crimes such as robbery, murder and so forth.

Are you telling me that regardless of social status, everyone goes to prison for the same cause?

Also, what is meant by the expression, 'slave-world', and how does this concept relate to your views?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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From what I've witnessed just now, and your posts concerning kings and other fascist states, am I to understand that your reason for believing that the obscuring justice is not a crime, and Executive Privilege is the right of a king, is based on your assumption that certain privileges assigned by self, by a certain group, with a certain knowledge, and perhaps even more (we could speculate anything, ie, species even, right???) gives them the RIGHT to slam dunk democracy and the constitution because they just know themselves and us so well?

I give you the big fat raspberry you deserve for that, and they can assume they know anything they wish to, but they still do not trump the constitution or common law, and equality.

Even if you were talking about Zeus, or Enki/Enlil, LOL, they would be standing under the constitution.
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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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I was only offering the Obama/Jesus thing as a counter point to the contention that Obama must be hiding something. I don't know if Obama is hiding anything or not. I don't know why Obama invoked executive privilege in this matter. It makes no sense, and if the invocation winds up before the Supreme Court they will likely rule against him the same way they ruled against Nixon.

The most astounding thing about Obama's actions in this regard is he took an ATF policy and made it all about Obama. The ATF "gunwalking" is what is being investigated - you know that thing you just absolutely refuse to acknowledge while continuing to obfuscate and keep the focus on Obama? Prior to the executive privilege invocation I didn't see what Obama had to do with it at all. Now Obama is insisting we all consider his involvement in that fiasco.

These are the facts micheal, not my personal opinion, just the facts.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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perhaps this is the case. but he must stand trial. he must be allowed to face his accusers in open court.

they have to present the evidence against him. he can't be expected to incriminate himself.

all of this is in the Constitution...is it not?

Jerry Sandusky is currently a more sympathetic personality than Barack Obama...isn't something wrong with this?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by g2v12

Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by g2v12
 


that...yeah...I went to prison for two years about 20 years ago.

but what does it really matter? the last two Governors of my state are in Federal prison right now.

some of you would like to see the President of United States in prison...not just the current one, but the all of them probably along with their Vice Presidents from what I've been reading.

what stereotype?

the last prime minister of Romania shot himself to avoid serving 2 years. the last president of Ukraine is in prison, the last president of Egypt has a life sentence.

Prison is a place people that live life might visit in a slave world.



Isn't there some importance on why individuals go to prison. In your statement, there is no distinction between those who go to prison for political reasons as in contrast with those who are convicted of crimes such as robbery, murder and so forth.

Are you telling me that regardless of social status, everyone goes to prison for the same cause?

Also, what is meant by the expression, 'slave-world', and how does this concept relate to your views?


the point is people go to prison for many reasons. there is no stereotype.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Jerry Sandusky is currently a more sympathetic personality than Barack Obama...isn't something wrong with this?


You are one of the most fearless and boldest comedians I have ever read. I don't know how many laughs your jokes actually get when told on a stage, but the joke I just quoted of yours got a laugh out of me.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Jean Paul, great thread as always.

I don't always agree with you politically, but your balanced approach to thread-writing and thorough citation has earned my respect in many more than one post. I listed you as a friend a long time ago simply because your posts are some of the best reads and most thought provoking.

Pirhanna and I share more in common politically, but this attack was simply unfounded.

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Anyhow, I believe executive privilege and executive orders have become the norm, even though they hardly ever end up being the right move, historically.

President Obama has once again overstepped his bounds and, like Bush before him, used these power plays to avoid confrontation.

I believe this time it will only cause more confrontation for a few reasons.

1.) It's an election year. This was the wrong move for him to make when he's trying to get re-elected, and the opposition knows it. They're going to keep pushing for answers, and rightfully so, until they get exactly what they ask for, or the president will fall quickly.

2.) The president lied during his first candidacy about ending Pres. Bush's screwed up policies. He got votes for saying that he'd stop things like Proj. Wide Receiver and the Patriot Act, when in fact he furthered them under different names.

It's only a matter of time until this whole sham of a 2 party system comes crumbling down.

I really do wish that Pres. Bush and his Attorney General had been questioned to the same extent than Obama and Holder are, but the past is in the past and Obama had the opportunity to end Proj. Gunrunner and didn't. That was the fatal mistake that could have avoided all of this malarkey.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
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Jerry Sandusky is currently a more sympathetic personality than Barack Obama...isn't something wrong with this?



I can't imagine who would have an ounce of sympathy for Sandusky, except perhaps depraved pedophiles. Any human being who does should have his procreative organ surgically removed and kept in a zoo cage with the rest of the monkeys for life.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux

perhaps this is the case. but he must stand trial. he must be allowed to face his accusers in open court.



What court?

Hes "hiding" behind Executive Privilege.




posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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the Attorney General is an extension of the Presidency. Calling the AG before a committee is just a more reasonable activity than to expect the President to show up; as a last option...Obama flip them the bird and informed them they will get nothing.

There is no way you don't see the link, unless you don't want to see it.

I see the link between the current activities and Nixon. I see the link between Ron Paul and Gerald Ford.

I see them because they are there. This whole event is little more than the most recent attack upon the US government and the American people. and Issa is just like the 9/11 hijackers to me.

I also see nothing is going to come of this, politically.



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