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Originally posted by Ookie
reply to post by andy06shake
Well, they had a swimming pool and theater in Aushwitz. Held swimming competitions and put on plays. The pictures I saw of it had flower gardens and didn't look that bad. Every time the Red Cross went to one of those places it seemed to them everything was fine. You can't judge how the prisoners looked when the allies got there because the guards had fled weeks earlier and left the prisoners to die. They looked like death when they were rescued.
I am not saying it was a summer camp. There were rapes, slavery, and medical experiments. ALL of which were horrible. But it was not an extermination camp. The best possible proof of that is in the fact that it is ILLEGAL to say anything but the official story in many countries. The truth doesn't need a law. Only a lie.
Originally posted by Ookie
reply to post by andy06shake
Well, they had a swimming pool and theater in Aushwitz. Held swimming competitions and put on plays. The pictures I saw of it had flower gardens and didn't look that bad. Every time the Red Cross went to one of those places it seemed to them everything was fine. You can't judge how the prisoners looked when the allies got there because the guards had fled weeks earlier and left the prisoners to die. They looked like death when they were rescued.
I am not saying it was a summer camp. There were rapes, slavery, and medical experiments. ALL of which were horrible. But it was not an extermination camp. The best possible proof of that is in the fact that it is ILLEGAL to say anything but the official story in many countries. The truth doesn't need a law. Only a lie.
Originally posted by GLontra
Don't you think it's very suspicious that nobody will comment on this thread, and it will be "buried" very quickly?
Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
reply to post by Cassius666
No I think it was the British, for whatever their intentions were (still are) who created Israel. Nevertheless it was an informative post Glontra, the info isn't exactly trustworthy but I'm always open minded.edit on 20-6-2012 by CrimsonKapital because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Ookie
reply to post by nightbringr
Ummm.....they did. Eisenhower let 5 million German soldiers die in our detention camps after the war.
Originally posted by andy06shake
reply to post by Ookie
"Ummm.....they did. Eisenhower let 5 million German soldiers die in our detention camps after the war. It was against the rules to feed them or give them a blanket or anything. He was quite determined that every single German who had fought the war would die. The horrors of the allies are not well documented, but they are there."
When did America ever have 5 million German soldiers??? Prove it, where would they even detain them??? Can i ask what age group do you hail from, you seem rather ill informed, and lack credible historical knowledge, thats why i ask? LoL
Originally posted by ken10
Just from a quick google turns up this....
Mass Starvations of Germans 1945-1950
Academic reviewers question three major aspects of Bacque's work: his claims that there was no post-war food shortage in other European countries; Bacque's estimate of the number of German deaths; and the allegation that Eisenhower was deliberately vindictive. Bacque's critics note many of the German soldiers were sick and wounded at the time of their surrender, and say his work does not place the plight of the German prisoners within the context of the grim situation in Western Europe in 1945 and 1946.
Writing in the Canadian Historical Review, David Stafford called the book "a classic example of a worthwhile investigation marred by polemic and overstatement."[1] R.J. Rummell, a scholar of 20th-century atrocities, has written that "Bacque misread, misinterpreted, or ignored the relevant documents and that his mortality statistics are simply impossible.".[2] More recently, writing in the Encyclopedia of Prisoners of War and Internment, S. P. MacKenzie states, "That German prisoners were treated very badly in the months immediately after the war...is beyond dispute. All in all, however, Bacque's thesis and mortality figures cannot be taken as accurate".[3]
Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who helped edit Other Losses, wrote I quarrel with many of your interpretations, [but] I am not arguing with the basic truth of your discovery and acknowledged that Bacque had made a "major historical discovery", in the sense that very little attention had hitherto been paid to the treatment of German POWs in Allied hands. He acknowledged he did not now support Bacque's conclusions, but said at the American Military Institute's Annual Meeting in March, 1990: "Bacque has done some research and uncovered an important story that I, and other American historians, missed altogether in work on Eisenhower and the conclusion of the war. When those millions of Wehrmacht soldiers came into captivity at the end of the war, many of them were deliberately and brutally mistreated. There is no denying this. There are men in this audience who were victims of this mistreatment. It is a story that has been kept quiet.[4]
However, in a 1991 New York Times book review,[5] Ambrose also claimed that "when scholars do the necessary research, they will find Mr. Bacque's work to be worse than worthless. It is seriously - nay, spectacularly - flawed in its most fundamental aspects. [...] Mr. Bacque is wrong on every major charge and nearly all his minor ones. Eisenhower was not a Hitler, he did not run death camps, German prisoners did not die by the hundreds of thousands, there was a severe food shortage in 1945,[6] there was nothing sinister or secret about the "disarmed enemy forces" designation or about the column "other losses." Mr. Bacque's "missing million" were old men and young boys in the Volkssturm (People's Militia) released without formal discharge and transfers of POWs to other allies control areas."
A book-length disputation of Bacque's work, entitled Eisenhower and the German POWs, appeared in 1992, featuring essays by British, American, and German historians.
One of the historians in support of Bacque was Colonel Ernest F. Fisher, 101st Airborne Division, who in 1945 took part in investigations into allegations of misconduct by U.S. troops in Germany and later became a Senior Historian with the United States Army. In the introduction to the book he states "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in American camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
Despite the criticisms of Bacque's methodology, Stephen Ambrose and Brian Loring Villa, the authors of the chapter on German POW deaths, conceded the Allies were motivated in their treatment of captured Germans by disgust and revenge for German atrocities.[7] They did, however, argue Bacque's casualty figures are far too high, and that policy was set by Allied politicians, not by Eisenhower.[8]
Originally posted by LUXUS
Originally posted by GLontra
Don't you think it's very suspicious that nobody will comment on this thread, and it will be "buried" very quickly?
ATS is obviously owned by Zionists, I made a thread about the Zionist role in immigration
www.abovetopsecret.com...
it got shut down instantlyedit on 20-6-2012 by LUXUS because: (no reason given)