Why I (a black woman) left the Democratic Party

Originally posted by Heartbreakerb
If Lincoln was alive today, he'd be a democrat instead of a republican. Every 60 years or so they switch platforms. It's the mindset of whatever the group is at this time that you have to look at, not their history. In the 1860's the south was mostly democrat, today, they're mostly republican but their midset hasn't changed at all.
Both parties are controlled by the same groups and they're set up to keep us confused. It's just a team to root for but the players get traded back and forth all the time.
I'm independent and vote for the person, not the party. That's what everyone should do. If you don't research a candidate, how can you justify voting for them?

What?

No...Lincoln would have been a Republican because he didn't want blacks oppressed anymore, as the Democratic does.

The parties never swtiched! Blacks in poverty were enticed by the liberal "welfare programs" was the only thing that changed...they began to vote democratic.

Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by Furbs

 

Ron Paul chump.

Point.Set.Match.

What about Ron Paul should I be looking at? The part where he was responsible for racism published in his name, or the part where he is a Republican? Maybe the part where he doesn't believe in evolution.

Ron Paul isn't outside of the mainstream. Ron Paul is the mainstream.

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by Furbs

 

Ron Paul chump.

Point.Set.Match.

What about Ron Paul should I be looking at? The part where he was responsible for racism published in his name, or the part where he is a Republican? Maybe the part where he doesn't believe in evolution.

Ron Paul isn't outside of the mainstream. Ron Paul is the mainstream.

Provide proof where Paul is racist.

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by Furbs

 

Ron Paul chump.

Point.Set.Match.

What about Ron Paul should I be looking at? The part where he was responsible for racism published in his name, or the part where he is a Republican? Maybe the part where he doesn't believe in evolution.

Ron Paul isn't outside of the mainstream. Ron Paul is the mainstream.

I can agree with that. He tries to come off as being different, but he really represents all the negatives that are out there. I want someone who will stand up for the rights of all people, not just the people he likes. We don't seem to have one of those in this election.

Originally posted by Dembow
Honest question and please excuse my ignorance:

What does your skin color have to do with choosing a political party?

Only that there is tremendous peer pressure to toe the same line as your family and contemporaries? But she pretty much made that part clear.

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by Furbs

 

Ron Paul chump.

Point.Set.Match.

What about Ron Paul should I be looking at? The part where he was responsible for racism published in his name, or the part where he is a Republican? Maybe the part where he doesn't believe in evolution.

Ron Paul isn't outside of the mainstream. Ron Paul is the mainstream.

Provide proof where Paul is racist.

I am not going to provide evidence that Paul is a racist, because I didn't say he was. I -will- provide evidence that he is responsible for racism published in his name.

www.tnr.com...
www.tnr.com...
Ron Paul Report "Nearly All Black Men in DC Are "Semi-Criminal or Entirely Criminal"
www.tnr.com...

Happy reading, it is all there in Ron Paul's newsletters.

Oh please, another Republican good Democrat evil conversation. Once you free your mind from the bonds of slavery then you will truly be aware that both parties are working hand in glove to destroy this country. There's a reason why George Washington was against political parties. Having refused to serve more then two terms he was a true statesman unlike what you have today.

America is a big country with a big economy. The OP's happy comfortable lazy friend might be irritating and expensive for the State to maintain, but at least she isn't out on the street involved in crime or prostitution, or raising the next generation of gangsters, dope addicts and street beggars.

America has more than enough money to support the layabouts and to assist the ambitious, but . . . they can't do those two things and also give the Military Industrial Complex everything that it wants too. Are America's poor getting way too much support or are America's crooked bankers getting way too much support? Are America's poor getting too much support or are America's military contractors getting too much support?

Both parties are responsible for America's troubles. America needs a time out and a serious talking to by an appropriate parental figure.

FDR thou should'st be living at this hour.

Someday we'll just be considered for our non-demographic attributes; charm, wit, wisdom, opinion, etc... No longer will we need to qualify our statements with "as a white man" or "a black woman".
(The military is kinda there although there's serious room for betterment I'm sure.)

That is my wish for your kids and mine.

reply to post by ButterCookie


If you look at the results, not the individual political party, there is very, very little difference. Reagan initiated NAFTA, Clinton signed it into law and thus began the demise of the U.S. economically. It didn't take a few months, it took years. During the Bush administration, people used to laugh when I told them that Walmart was the largest employer in West Virginia. Now they are the largest private employer in the country. When you examine the state of the U.S. economy, it has taken both sides, and decades of corruption and lobbyists to create the current world that we muddle through.

It is true that the less you do, the more options are available- albeit limited financially. Our entire system is broken to the point of no repair—no matter who "guides" us. There is one key ingredient: They are ALL politicians and tell us how things will get better for us personally, depending on which party line convinces us that they are there for our benefit. It is truly a game, and we are not the ones winning.

The big question is not who we vote in, but how WE change it in the long run.

you should think about running for a congressional seat...WtP need as much help as possible.

I love it when Dems attack the messenger because they can't attack the message.
It is their M.O. if you watch for it you will see it in every post they throw up.

My favorite Buttercookie quotes from this thread;

"You go ahead and keep this 'assistance'. I'm about to graduate with honors. Have a good day!"

"While I love the fact that a black man is in the office, I understand that I do not support socialism."

"However, I would not have even wanted such a luxurious house and cash benefits forever. That is totally unfair."

"I can respect the claim of 'independent'. However, I must admit that it is hard for me to do so. Maybe as a former Marine, it is hard to see the 'no-confidence-in-either- party stance. My fallen comrades certainly wouldn't appreciate the non-chalantness of the independent voter."

"That does not make you a 'sell out'...it makes you American."

"I won't cross my arms and say that they are both worthless parties.
If I truly truly felt that way, I would relocate into another country."

"I left thinking, "Hell, if I make a million dollars, I will want all of my money too!!!" "

"lets say I am torquoise with pink poka dots and burgundy stripes - address my points made that you have an issue with"

(really loved this one)
"bam! You got me...I am orange with yellow stripes and a pink ribbon tied around my forehead...can you point out an agreement or disagreement in this thread?? "

Originally posted by ButterCookie
The more I study Political Science in school, the more politically aware I am becoming. Let me tell you two distinct incidents that made me research the Democratic parties' platform...

There you have it. Talk to me :-)

edit on 16-6-2012 by ButterCookie

Text

edit on 18-6-2012 by g2v12 because: (no reason given)

edit on 18-6-2012 by g2v12 because: arrangement

extra DIV

en.wikipedia.org...
Reagan opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. So did Barry Goldwater.
Conservative Republicans are the ones trying to 'keep blacks on the plantation". Offshoring all the manufacturing jobs that disproportionately employed blacks guarantees a slide down the socioeconomic scale.

This post debunks the claim Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican:
www.politifact.com...

Harry Truman integrated the Armed Forces.

I also challenge the assertion the KKK are/were Democrats. Southern KKK were generally Democrats, Northern KKK such as in my state of Indiana were generally Republicans. The KKK was larger in Indiana than in any other state.

I have to conclude the OP is fake, this is Republican Propaganda (capital P). I agree with others, parts of it are taken from Republican mass mailings. I also have to believe some of those congratulating the OP are the OP using a different log on ID, or are paid shills.

reply to post by Thunderheart


Thanks so much!!

I agree with you; the Dems on here that make the negative comments have not yet ONCE addressed those points that I made. The truth hurts...

so instead, we see:

"The OP is fake...I doubt if she is even black".

Can they say that the welfare program does not cut off assistance when you are in college?

Can they say that the Republican Party has not traditionally uplifted blacks?

Is the Republican Party NOT about individual responsibility, instead of socialism on the backs of others?

Was the Klu Klux Klan NOT funded and founded by rebellious members of the Democratic Party?

They will ignore these major factors and play "guess what color ButterCookie is".

reply to post by ButterCookie


So.. nothing to say about the Ron Paul information you asked me to post about? Just more blathering on about things you don't actually understand but desperately want to blame on Democrats to validate your move to the Republican party?

Did you even bother reading about the Dixiecrats infiltrating the GOP and turning them into the hate machine they are today?

reply to post by Matt1951


You ain't lyin. MLK didn't like either of the parties really it seems. I got him confused with his pops, he is Republican, heh.

Reagan opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. So did Barry Goldwater. Conservative Republicans are the ones trying to 'keep blacks on the plantation". Offshoring all the manufacturing jobs that disproportionately employed blacks guarantees a slide down the socioeconomic scale.

He sure did.

I have to conclude the OP is fake, this is Republican Propaganda (capital P). I agree with others, parts of it are taken from Republican mass mailings. I also have to believe some of those congratulating the OP are the OP using a different log on ID, or are paid shills.

We aren't paid shills. We have discussed this topic at length with each other. I'm black and republican, just more of a libertarian republican.

reply to post by cenpuppie


Think of the Conservative Strom Thurmond, senator from South Carolina for a half century . He switched from being a Democrat to a Republican because he was opposed to civil rights for black Americans. He was the worst hypocrite - he fathered a child with a black mistress (while he was married to a white woman), and refused to acknowledge her - he rejected his own daughter because she was half black. He would keep a black woman as a lover, but he opposed civil rights for black people.
Republican? really, why?

Malcolm X speaking out on the Democrat Party, calling them 'Dixiecrats' in disguise.

His main point is how that some black people eventually grow politically mature and realize the oppression of the Democratic Party, while the rest remain blindly loyal.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Malcolm X speaking out on the Democrat Party, calling them 'Dixiecrats' in disguise.

His main point is how that some black people eventually grow politically mature and realize the oppression of the Democratic Party, while the rest remain blindly loyal.

I think most black Americans are politically astute. Given two bad choices, they vote for the lesser evil. Which is really what other Americans do too. Democrats often are collaborators with Republicans, but the choice is Democrat or third party. Democrats take their base for granted.