Why I (a black woman) left the Democratic Party

Originally posted by Darkrunner

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by Darkrunner
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Semper Fi, Devildog.

-USMC
1994-1998

Errr!!

We served during the same time!!!

Perhaps we went to Oki together??

Nah, never made it to Oki. Wanted to though.

Camp LeJeune and Cherry Point, NC. Did a couple floats in the med that were cool.

Cool...I did MOS in Camp Lejeune in 95, then Oki right afterwards....3d MedBn- 3rd FSSG...then 4th Mardiv in the Wing (New Orleans), couple more places then finally here in Memphis at the Inspector Inspector Staff.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

The message wasn't for you anyway...what makes one journalist more worthy than another......He's more truthful than Maddow or Mathews.....

Facts?

And I don't care whether the message was for me or not, if it's garbage, I'm gonna point that out

Originally posted by mrballistic
No real black person would leave the democratic party.. Uncle tom meets Aunt Pam shall we??

Don't believe this story AT ALL.

edit on 17-6-2012 by mrballistic because: (no reason given)

Mia Love would like to have a word with you.



/TOA

The ABSOLUTE TRUTH in today's politics is this ......

Both Parties (Republicans and Democrats) serve the same AGENDA, however, it is WHOM they serve that matters most. Republicans the RICH and those seeking to become RICH. Democrats the POOR and ALIENATED. They believe in NANNY Government, handing out PRIVILEGES that can be taken away at any time and in keeping those who accept the PRIVILEGES as SUBJECTS to the Government, forever ENSLAVING them to BONDAGE on the promise that they will be taken care of.

Let us take a history lesson as taught from the 1928 US Army Training Manual (in which President Roosevelt had destroyed so that HE could push the DEMOCRAT AGENDA through).

URL: www.1215.org...

Many of you have seen the reprint of this document. If you have, it's worth reading again. If you have not, it is worth reading, studying, and reciting to your friends, family, and neighbors. It is copied from Training Manual No. 2000-25 that was published by the then War Department, Washington, D.C., November 30, 1928.

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Official Definition of DEMOCRACY

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Prepared under the direction of the US Army Chief of Staff.
CITIZENSHIP

This manual supersedes Manual of Citizenship Training The use of the publication "The Constitution of the United States," by Harry Atwood, is by permission and courtesy of the author.

CITIZENSHIP Democracy:

A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy

CITIZENSHIP Republic:

Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world. A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of

(1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.

Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

Atwood. Superior to all others.--Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered. Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success. Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

"By order of the Secretary of War: C.P. Summerall, Major General, Chief of Staff. Official: Lutz Wahl, Major General, The Adjutant General.

Originally posted by timetothink
ButterCookies op really got the liberal racism coming to the surface...glad everyone gets to see it.....how dare you black people dare to leave your democratic masters after all they have done for you!!!

Keep showing your true colors the world needs to finally see it!

Wait..calling the OP's article garbage content wise is suddenly racist? Is it racist too if I criticise the article of a white man too? On what planet do you live?

reply to post by ButterCookie


Anti-Abortion Pro-religion and anti-gay rights do not make one a conservative or republican. I'm pro abortion agnostic and for all rights not just gays and I'm a staunch conservative.

It's about capitalism, small government, more innovation with less red tape. The right to defend my home and the ones I love. To make my own choices on social affairs and live free of big brothers thumb.

That is what being a conservative is really about. Religion abortion and gay rights are just hot topics to catch votes and attention nothing more. They are jumping off points for talking heads.

Welcome to the "Right" side of the isle.

Originally posted by constantwonder
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Anti-Abortion Pro-religion and anti-gay rights do not make one a conservative or republican. I'm pro abortion agnostic and for all rights not just gays and I'm a staunch conservative.

It's about capitalism, small government, more innovation with less red tape. The right to defend my home and the ones I love. To make my own choices on social affairs and live free of big brothers thumb.

That is what being a conservative is really about. Religion abortion and gay rights are just hot topics to catch votes and attention nothing more. They are jumping off points for talking heads.

Welcome to the "Right" side of the isle.

Oh I completely agree with you!!

Again, this is why i will be voting republican; more so for the fiscal reasoning and personal responsibility platform.

reply to post by Labrynth2012


This is precisely what I am talking about....asserting that since both parties serve the same agenda - which essentially is to make our nation a great one and to help improve the lives of all citizens- that they must be 'corrupt'.

They are going to have the same agenda regardless. Its the method of getting there that differs.

One group sees it best to do it this way, the other sees it best to do it anther way. Nothing is evil or corrupt about that...

Why is there so much 'paranoia' when it comes to politics/ the federal government? There will always be 'secret groups' that may pull the strings behind the curtains. That is called civilization: the most educated and wealthy control the order of things. Is that evil? No. That is called order. Order is not evil. It is natural.

The sun controls the life on the planets, the planets control the order of the solar system, and the solar systems dictate the order in the galaxy...(on my science rant )

People become scared of order because they do not understand it....but that's because they are not in 'the know'. Paranoia of government will cease when people understand that they do not know the bigger picture, so they may not understand why things are the way they are.

I find the two party system laughable. All it does it keep important legislation from getting through.

I think people just need to do their own research into who is running for President instead of expecting an unbiased opinion from the media.

I'm sure a lot of people would second guess their decision after they have facts.

I am a black woman who has left the Democratic party as well....but I wont be voting Republican either. I don't see either party being worth the water in my toilet. Both have contributed to the crumbling of this nation because beneath it all they have the same agenda. Agenda 21

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by Labrynth2012

 

This is precisely what I am talking about....asserting that since both parties serve the same agenda - which essentially is to make our nation a great one and to help improve the lives of all citizens- that they must be 'corrupt'.

They are going to have the same agenda regardless. Its the method of getting there that differs.

One group sees it best to do it this way, the other sees it best to do it anther way. Nothing is evil or corrupt about that...

Why is there so much 'paranoia' when it comes to politics/ the federal government? There will always be 'secret groups' that may pull the strings behind the curtains. That is called civilization: the most educated and wealthy control the order of things. Is that evil? No. That is called order. Order is not evil. It is natural.

The sun controls the life on the planets, the planets control the order of the solar system, and the solar systems dictate the order in the galaxy...(on my science rant )

People become scared of order because they do not understand it....but that's because they are not in 'the know'. Paranoia of government will cease when people understand that they do not know the bigger picture, so they may not understand why things are the way they are.

Order is letting children be born into starvation daily across the planet while the smart, wealthy people stand idly by? If that is order, I don't want to see chaos...

The way I see it, as a foreigner, You Americans have very little choice in political directions. It seems to be "either this, or that" and no way inbetween.

I am pretty used to coalitions of diverse plumage. In an odd twist of fate, the time my country was at it's richest, was when we had a government comprised of Socialists, Christians and Right-wingers. It was that odd combi that ruled for about 12 years that made it so my country is currently weathering the crisis pretty well, despite the doom&gloom-crowd, and is one of the countries that keeps Europe financially afloat. (never mind how I feel about that, but that's not the issue here)

In my humble opinion, that keeps a nice balance. Ánd a bit of a choice to boot, without the need to choose an exact side. We have aparty for about every combi of convictions.

I think that it would do America a great deal of good to get a third, independent party. I was kind of hopeful that sen. Paul could be that, though I am not too convinced of the use of libertarianism- it would at least force the other two to start moving, to be shocked out of their smug "our way, or the highway" attitude.

But hey, what do I know. I am just an observer.

reply to post by ButterCookie

Our choices are not good so we vote for the least worst out come. Our country is angry and tired of wars, ask anyone where this conversation is initiated. Both parties shove their agenda down our throats when they get into office. And they pick us apart with bits and pieces of small issues that should be voted on by all of us and not decided by the morons in Congress. Our government is to big and doing things for all the wrong reasons. Our corporations have way to much say so in our government - period. Our elected officials are now voted into office to represent corporate America - should corporate have a say so? absolutely - but not thru lobbying - it is a bribing institution.

I personally was raised a democrat in Minnesota. My job made me move several times. I saw a lot in many cities concerning welfare and many races. I was sickened by how easy the minorities accepted aid from the government generation after generation. I do not mean to be insulting - but that is the truth. That same money could of been spent training and educating anyone who wanted get off of the government programs. And wouldn't you know it - these people were rewarded for having more children, not working and not making a life for their family.

I never realized what the democratic party's agenda was really about until I got my fill from living different place through out the country. I then became Republican. And yes, I like others here, do not agree with a lot - and I mean a lot - of the Republican parties agenda but it is a party that has continuously stood for self reliance and self improvement. Yes they have their flaws - but at least it stands for getting out of the helplessness and infinity of dependency the government is willing to give when it is in the hands of the democrats. Once you start this crap it is one hundred times harder to quit - it is what I would call "welfare coc aine".

Guys,

When will we realize that the Republican and Democratic parties are just a false sense of choice?

As long as market bosses around government we got a big problem and sorry, but I don't see the constitution being re-enlivened by the government itself. There will be different players with different names, faces and personalities. And the average Americans short attention span will cause them to think 'well maybe there is hope in this guy'....only to (most likely) await the same ol stuff. I'm not saying its hopeless, nor am I saying their aren't good people running for President...but come on... don't you guys see the illusion in the red and blue pick your side deal?

I just had an epiphany.

The OP supposedly dislikes democrats because black people scam the welfare system that was created to help people after the depression (nothing to do with any black agenda).

Maybe instead of deciding to stop supporting democrats, she should stop supporting black people instead. That would be more rational according to her desire to end this egregious fraud they are perpetration, taking advantage of a worthy and legitimate system.

Originally posted by dutchmilpo
The way I see it, as a foreigner, You Americans have very little choice in political directions. It seems to be "either this, or that" and no way inbetween.

I am pretty used to coalitions of diverse plumage. In an odd twist of fate, the time my country was at it's richest, was when we had a government comprised of Socialists, Christians and Right-wingers. It was that odd combi that ruled for about 12 years that made it so my country is currently weathering the crisis pretty well, despite the doom&gloom-crowd, and is one of the countries that keeps Europe financially afloat. (never mind how I feel about that, but that's not the issue here)

In my humble opinion, that keeps a nice balance. Ánd a bit of a choice to boot, without the need to choose an exact side. We have aparty for about every combi of convictions.

I think that it would do America a great deal of good to get a third, independent party. I was kind of hopeful that sen. Paul could be that, though I am not too convinced of the use of libertarianism- it would at least force the other two to start moving, to be shocked out of their smug "our way, or the highway" attitude.

But hey, what do I know. I am just an observer.

I don't know what we have. But Democracy went away a long time ago. Representatives are paid for their votes on legislation.

It is sad about Ron Paul. The blatant media blackout is just distasteful when we preach about our free elections to countries we "liberate".

reply to post by ButterCookie

A few years back when I returned to school to complete my bachelor's degree, I began receiving welfare/food stamps. The conditions were to either be enrolled in school, working for less than $8.00 per hour, or "looking for work". I was very serious about escaping poverty, so I was a serious student. Dean's list, honors program, you name it. About 3 months into my college time, I had an appointment with my TANF (welfare) caseworker...she basically told me that my benefits were about to be terminated in 30 days. I was confused. I was doing exceptionally well in school, and was following all of the 'guidelines'. I asked what the problem was. She told me, "Well, it appears that you have been going to school for more than 3 months. We will only pay assistance for 3 months of you being in school." Again, I was like "WTF!" I stated, "Ma'am, it takes more than 3 months to complete a degree." She said, "Yes, that's true. But you cannot get assistance that whole time." I asked "Wasn't this program designed to help those who are helping themselves? I am getting my degree to escape poverty permanently." She said, "Your choices are to quit school and "look for work" or to work under $8.00 per hour." I said, "Those choices will have me in poverty until I die!" She just looked at me. I smiled and said, "You go ahead and keep this 'assistance'. I'm about to graduate with honors. Have a good day!"

I know this is a conspiracy website and all. But shouldn't the debate be why neither party is supporting a measure to help fund people's education through college? It always struck me as utterly moronic that we would remove peoples benefits if they were trying to use their time on unemployment or through welfare to better themselves. I don't see that as being a problem with a particular party, but rather a problem with a particular set of laws. Moreover which party do you think would be more willing to support such a change? Republicans? Or Democrats? Hopefully that will inform your choice on how you decide to vote.

reply to post by Dukesy


You are absolutely correct!!

I especially see it in my community, mainly all black and in the inner cities. Instead of filling out a college application, they are more encouraged to fill out a welfare application. Even though higher education/ skills have proven to be a great way to eventually escape poverty, most blacks have tended to frown upon it , claiming that such people are 'flying too high and trying to be 'white'. I know because I've seen it said a thousand times behind the backs of others, and to my face as well.

And yes, the Democratic Plantation is hard to leave. Once you are on, it is hard to get off.

reply to post by Xtraeme


I can't say that neither party is the way to a better America, because unlike a lot of people on here, I have faith in the political systems; whether I agree or disagree with each ideology, I won't cross my arms and say that they are both worthless parties.

If I truly truly felt that way, I would relocate into another country.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
The more I study Political Science in school, the more politically aware I am becoming. Let me tell you two distinct incidents that made me research the Democratic parties' platform:

At the end of my active duty from the United States Marine Corps (ooo-rah!) , I was single mother having to move back with my mother for a while, until I was able to gain civilian employment.

You say you left the party, but where you even actually involved?
Did you participate in any community meetings?
Did you run for local offices? Did you do deep research
into the people you voted for? Have you had direct contact with
congressmen?

"No taxation without representation"
I know you are being taxed, but who represents you?

What did you do to change the party to represent you?
Dems or Repubs, its just a party of people. Either
these people think like you or they dont.

I see that you had no problem risking your life by joining the marines
and getting involved in other people's [countries] affairs who didnt ask for your help.
So how far will you go to fix your own country?