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With all due respect, I do not buy one ounce of the story your selling here. If Soldiers are committing suicide because they miss their families... why are so many committing suicide after they return back home?
Well now the US claims the Taliban are lawless rebels who have oppressed the people of Afghanistan... but we funded them, we trained them, and we put them in power.
However, back in the 80's Saddam was a "statesman". Anyone remember the picture of Rumsfeld meeting with Saddam?
Aren't the majority of suicides done after a soldier returns?
Second leading cause of death in the military is suicide.
I wouldn't buy that it has to do with separation from family. That's a higher rate than the prison population, and if the prison population is getting by without all killing themselves, well...
Crap, Iraq was a lie, and what's worse, everyone knew it
Afghanistan is a nightmare and even the reasoning for that war is questionable.
Man, you wanna kill people for your country, I bet it's gotta haunt your mind a bit, and all the time,
the real reasons for all these wars are never revealed, until it's way too late to do anything about.
I wonder how many people in the US military feel this way today.
When you actually look at the history and internal investigations done; Iraq was not so much a lie as it was a classic example of many intuitive illusions that human psychology suffers from.
Confidence is intuitively used as a measure of correctness. Several in Bush's cabinet were absolutely certain and confident we'd find said weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The reality is a little more stark.
I don't want to "kill people for my country." If the need arises - I will kill someone to protect those around me and the ideals I believe in.
Ok, you wanna discount Iraq, what about the proceedings up to the Vietnam war?
Gulf of Tonkin?
Hanyok's article, "Skunks, Bogies, Silent Hounds, and the Flying Fish: The Gulf of Tonkin Mystery, 2-4 August 1964," originally published in the National Security Agency's classified journal Cryptologic Quarterly in early 2001, provides a comprehensive SIGINT-based account "of what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin." Using this evidence, Hanyok argues that the SIGINT confirms that North Vietnamese torpedo boats attacked a U.S. destroyer, the USS Maddox, on August 2, 1964, although under questionable circumstances. The SIGINT also shows, according to Hanyok, that a second attack, on August 4, 1964, by North Vietnamese torpedo boats on U.S. ships, did not occur despite claims to the contrary by the Johnson administration.
Pearl Harbour stinks as well.
Bush was the warmonger puppet, he reminded me of a used car salesman
Well, the risks of doing so are yours. And how can you have concrete values, when a lot of information you are receiving to form your ideals, is untrue?
Additionally, you actually believe that these people who's countries you are invading, are a threat to your family? Kinda hard to hit America from Afghanistan with non-armed, horse-pulled carts.
We can debate all day, but when stuff like this keeps happening, I'll keep my stand point. Please don't watch if you are upset easily btw
Makes me hope there is some kind of conspiracy to keep you all from breeding - at least until we can attain viable space colonies that can be self-sustaining and propagating (we can build more without needing to return to the planet).
You all are scary.
How much you love that poster of the Fuhrer on your wall mate?
Who in the hell are they?
As the saying goes - professionals are predictable; amateurs are scary.
And elitists are something else completely
Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by Zcustosmorum
And elitists are something else completely
I've no problem being called an elitist. I hold myself to a very high standard - because I am far more capable than you and no amount of effort on your part will change that. What takes you months to accomplish I can eclipse in a matter of days.
Humans are often deluded by the notion that effort equates to results - that perseverance can turn them into anyone or anything they so choose. While neural plasticity is quite amazing - the old saying of "genetics loads the gun" still holds true. Someone packing a much better load will generally be superior. No advantage can be held by mediocrity for very long against the more adept individuals.
But it's really a moot point. Humans are never above the force of natural selection (even if they have become a force of selection in and of themselves). I will do what is necessary to ensure respectable specimens (by my own perspective) survive to flourish and inherit the universe.
You can dither about in ideals involving moral judgments as opposed to functional and survival efficacy.
Should make for an interesting divergence of the human species.
King of the Universe, impressive