Americans - You claim your military is the best. Prove It, page 2


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reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 06:58 AM by Numbers33four
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Dass, I was only messing with you on my first post. My real oppinion is that there a a chance that the two countries will merge. This is one branch of NWO theory. On the other end of the continuum they destroy each other and Israel rules the world in some scenarios. Who knows? no one yet


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 08:23 AM by caladonea
reply to post by daaskapital



Since you are the author of this thread...help us all out.. What is the factor that no one has stated yet?


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 08:32 AM by daaskapital
Originally posted by caladonea
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post by daaskapital



Since you are the author of this thread...help us all out.. What is the factor that no one has stated yet?


I have already hinted at it in one of my replies on the 1st page

You are the only member who posted an article on the matter, and i thank you for that. It was however leaning more to the propaganda side of things, and Panetta didn't mention all the allied operations (particularly of the Australian SASR who have been responsible for bringing most of the Taliban leaders in).

Regardless. This unaccounted factor is strongly hinted at in one of my replies on the first page



reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 08:37 AM by caladonea
reply to post by daaskapital



Why not stop with the guessing game that your are playing and give a direct answer?

I for one appreciate direct answers.


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 08:54 AM by daaskapital
Originally posted by caladonea
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post by daaskapital



Why not stop with the guessing game that your are playing and give a direct answer?

I for one appreciate direct answers.


But then it's no fun

Ah fine:

It is impossible to prove why one's Military is "the best." There are plenty of contradicting reviews regarding different military forces. There is always a bias no matter where one looks. It is human nature to side with values, even if said human doesn't notice it.

Furthermore, how is one meant to score all the Military Forces to determine the "best" one? What metrics is one going to base said measure on? Size? Technology? Readiness? Maneuverability? Reliability? There are too many spheres pertaining to the military structures that it is impossible to determine who has the best military.

For instance, if one were to base the best military on how many troops are ready for direct deployment, one would choose North Korea as they have the largest available standing army, ready to deploy at any moment.

If one were to base it on technology, perhaps the USA would win. That is unknown considering many countries have their own projects happening.

If one were to base it on reliability, it could be argued that Australia could win, due to the countless time the country has shown heart and has never given up in the face of failure, most the time resulting in success.

You see, there is no solid basis to base "The best military" on. In the end, there is only opinions. This brings me back to the obvious thread content. I asked for sources to prove that the US has the best military. Some were supplied, but failed to be objective. The fact is, it is impossible to find a full blown, objective and credible source used to support the argument. Even if one were to supply said source, there are still too many factors to base it on.


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 09:01 AM by Dustytoad
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this is fun

And it's obvious that N. Korea is a joke compared to the USA. They have a big group of infantry haha. Let's see them march off the peninsula into... The ocean?

India vs Australia
Australia vs USA
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reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 09:02 AM by usmc0311
Originally posted by caladonea
reply to
post by daaskapital



Why not stop with the guessing game that your are playing and give a direct answer?

I for one appreciate direct answers.


I second that. Just what facts are you basing your opinion on DAAS?

I think some parts of our military is the best but not all. Our training is very good compared to others out there as we have more resources to train with. Now I have also met troops from many other countries, some just as good, some not, and even some foreign special ops that may in fact be better. Our forces also have much more experience than others wether it be in justifiable wars or not. I can tell you this with all honesty, I would never want to face the US Marines in battle no matter what tech I had.

And as much as it pains you to hear, yes America did help you in WWII. You guys had good troops fighting hard to protect your homeland but what if there were not thousands of Marines fighting on places like Gaudlcanal, New Britain, and the many other islands occupied by the Japaneees at the time? What would have happened if America sat back and let the Japaneese continue there take over of the Pacific?

For the record I will state again. I don't think our military is the best in the world as a whole but certain parts yes. I know this from experience and many years of training and operating with forces from other countries.


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 09:06 AM by daaskapital
Originally posted by Dustytoad
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post by daaskapital



this is fun

And it's obvious that N. Korea is a joke compared to the USA. They have a big group of infantry haha. Let's see them march off the peninsula into... The ocean?


Exactly, but you see where i am coming from? It isn't possible to base what the best military is off of stand alone measures like tech or standing army.

India vs Australia


Thanks for the link. It was an interesting read. Not surprising though, considering India is a rising superpower.


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 09:17 AM by daaskapital
Originally posted by usmc0311
Originally posted by caladonea
reply to
post by daaskapital



Why not stop with the guessing game that your are playing and give a direct answer?

I for one appreciate direct answers.


I second that. Just what facts are you basing your opinion on DAAS?


I explained the "guessing game."

I think some parts of our military is the best but not all. Our training is very good compared to others out there as we have more resources to train with. Now I have also met troops from many other countries, some just as good, some not, and even some foreign special ops that may in fact be better. Our forces also have much more experience than others wether it be in justifiable wars or not. I can tell you this with all honesty, I would never want to face the US Marines in battle no matter what tech I had.


Cool. I have also read on numerous times about operations between the Marines and Aussies in the ME. Sounded crazy!

And as much as it pains you to hear, yes America did help you in WWII. You guys had good troops fighting hard to protect your homeland but what if there were not thousands of Marines fighting on places like Gaudlcanal, New Britain, and the many other islands occupied by the Japaneees at the time?


You do know right that Australia was heavily involved in the places you mentioned? It wasn't just the US operating there.

What would have happened if America sat back and let the Japaneese continue there take over of the Pacific?


The funny thing is that the US did sit back for most of the time and let Australia defend itself. I'm not taking credit away from the US forces at the time, because obviously, they helped on the islands, but Australia was also on operations with the US.

For the record I will state again. I don't think our military is the best in the world as a whole but certain parts yes. I know this from experience and many years of training and operating with forces from other countries.


I'm not disputing that, i just asked for proof. That being said, i agree. Many countries have their own specialties. I have read numerous accounts and reports that Australia is regarded as one of the best in reconnaissance. Just one of Australia's specialties. I am sure the US has it's own specialties as well.

What many poster here don't understand, is that i was not being anti-American in any way. I didn't attack anyone, yet people are still blaming me for it ???


reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 09:17 AM by Dustytoad
reply to post by daaskapital



The main comparable difference is Logistics and the Navies of the world. I wouldn't bet against 11 carrier groups, Navy Seals, and Devil Dogs...

Access to Gasoline cannot be underestimated either.
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reply posted on 14-6-2012 @ 09:32 AM by reddwhite
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I don't know about anyone elses experience in U.S. Military, but I WAS highly trained and more than capable of performing all my duties in a high speed low drag sort of manner. I went to relaxin Jackson for basic, then on to
Ft. Sill OK, home of the field artillery, for my AIT. 13 E cannon fire direction control specialist training only happens in one training battalion in the U.S. military. A 2 -80th field artillery school A.K.A. Alphatraz. It was what I would call " Very Tough", border line hard. One time my DS walked in after we where in the field for 3 days, and walked to the very back corner of the 60 man bay, looked under a bunk and found the smallest dust bunny ever seen. He closed all the windows, turned the heat up all th way ordered us to dress in our winter uniforms and smoked us, for over an hour. Because it is by nature an very exacting job, the training is also very exacting. You will never see a late artillery man, our job is time on target. We do our jobs quite well, even in bad to very bad conditions.

I always just assumed that mine wasn't the only job training their soldiers hard and well at all things soldiering.
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