Americans - You claim your military is the best. Prove It

Originally posted by daaskapital

China could have some amazing technology. Hey, it wouldn't surprise me, what with America getting China to manufacture weapon parts and chips dictating the performance of certain weapons and vehicles. (what a stupid idea).

Anyway, that was going off on a tangent. Back to the point.

edit on 14-6-2012 by daaskapital because: eta

No, it wasn't really. That is pretty much the point anymore. All the tanks and M-16's in the world won't mean anything if China sells us inferior or defective chips that power our most destructive weapons, while they keep the best for themselves. They do this sort of thing long enough with enough chips, we'll wake up one day on the losing end of a fight.

But hey, at least we'll have saved a few bucks, right?

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Dass, I was only messing with you on my first post. My real oppinion is that there a a chance that the two countries will merge. This is one branch of NWO theory. On the other end of the continuum they destroy each other and Israel rules the world in some scenarios. Who knows? no one yet

Because they have highly advanced technological spacecrafts not yet revealed to public. They can fly over you without being seen or heard. They have light orb drones to map, spy, disable and attack. They have weather control technology. They can also do whatever they want without approbation of UN or almost. The highest number of satellite in orbit and some top-secret ones. They have the most advanced missile shield system on the planet. The highest number of nuclear bomb on the planet. The highest number of military aircraft and ship on the planet. And none the less, the best equipment the military personal can have on the planet. And many many other technology not yet revealed to the public and some I haven't named. Also I am not from America and I know all this...

But they also have many CONS... but the PROS overweight the cons by a lot.

Sometimes I wonder about your DAAS.

If this is not bait and hate then I dunno what is.

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Originally posted by daaskapital

You say their military is the biggest and most experienced, yet you say their not the best trained and are "pretty decent" soldiers. Care to explain that part please?

We don't ever stop blowing stuff up. I resent that this happens. I'm not really proud of my country in that respect. Training and Experience are not the same. You've had to work before right?

Almost all our soldiers know what real battle is. You don't get that from a training manual and a drill instructor. I don't know about everyone's training, but I trained at Ft Benning and it was amazingly tough. 14E Patriot Missile Fire Control. Can't really say what I want to here, but their capabilities are grossly underestimated in the public, and I know Abrams are the same...

I think the Black Triangle craft are US Air Force. I saw one in constant military training area. It was not being followed by anything. It lit up half the sky. I assume it would almost have to show up on radar it was so big. This leads me to believe it was ours.

Russia may have some tech like that, who knows?

I'm not of the mind that China is really an enemy. I feel like China Russia and USA are playing games till all the truly sovereign nations are gone. Then we all go Jay Kay like oh my gosh, we are the NWO lol. We couldn't let Iran know haha isn't it funny?

That's what I think.

Originally posted by skywalk
Because they have highly advanced technological spacecrafts not yet revealed to public. They can fly over you without being seen or heard. They have light orb drones to map, spy, disable and attack. They have weather control technology. They can also do whatever they want without approbation of UN or almost. The highest number of satellite in orbit and some top-secret ones. They have the most advanced missile shield system on the planet. The highest number of nuclear bomb on the planet. The highest number of military aircraft and ship on the planet. And none the less, the best equipment the military personal can have on the planet. And many many other technology not yet revealed to the public and some I haven't named. Also I am not from America and I know all this...

But they also have many CONS... but the PROS overweight the cons by a lot.

Proof?

If it was not for Americans taking tech from other countries (for example Germany), they would not be in the position they are in now.

They might have the largest or most advanced military, yet for me that means nothing, and I for one don't care.

Also, if they keep telling everyone, local citizens and the world alike that they are "nr1", "the best military in the world" etc etc ad nauseum, then eventually everyone will just believe it.

So Meh....whatever

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Originally posted by mainidh
Sometimes I wonder about your DAAS.

If this is not bait and hate then I dunno what is.

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what?

No, i have just had enough of the "US military is the best" crap. I'm pretty sure a lot of people have also. No one can read a thread without half the participants playing down a crucial situation because "They don't stand a chance against the USA."

It is ridiculous. And i am surprised that no one is getting the real meaning from this thread...

Originally posted by mainidh
Sometimes I wonder about your DAAS.

If this is not bait and hate then I dunno what is.

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You don't have to wonder. This is Daas's Modus Operandi. Hatred, divisiveness, and anti-American. And then he will whine and complain when he gets it thrown back in his face.

On topic: What difference does it make who has the strongest military? It only shows how pathetic we are as a species at this time. We haven't learned to work together as a community, and put aside our pettiness. This thread is a good example of that.

Originally posted by Klassified

Originally posted by mainidh
Sometimes I wonder about your DAAS.

If this is not bait and hate then I dunno what is.

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You don't have to wonder. This is Daas's Modus Operandi. Hatred, divisiveness, and anti-American. And then she will whine and complain when she gets it thrown back in her face.

On topic: What difference does it make who has the strongest military? It only shows how pathetic we are as a species at this time. We haven't learned to work together as a community, and put aside our pettiness. This thread is a good example of that.

Oh you're back

I am not anti-American, but it seems all you retards seem to have missed the inconspicuous, yet crucial part of this thread. Can you figure it out? Maybe, maybe not. Everyone's first reaction is to hate on me, but i ask you to look deeper into the thread content and see what this thread really is getting at. Yes it concerns the Americans and their ideology that their military is the best in the world, but it also has one other factor that no one has accounted for.

By the way, i am not a woman

Edit: Thanks for changing the gender lol.

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Since you are the author of this thread...help us all out.. What is the factor that no one has stated yet?

Originally posted by caladonea
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Since you are the author of this thread...help us all out.. What is the factor that no one has stated yet?

I have already hinted at it in one of my replies on the 1st page

You are the only member who posted an article on the matter, and i thank you for that. It was however leaning more to the propaganda side of things, and Panetta didn't mention all the allied operations (particularly of the Australian SASR who have been responsible for bringing most of the Taliban leaders in).

Regardless. This unaccounted factor is strongly hinted at in one of my replies on the first page

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Why not stop with the guessing game that your are playing and give a direct answer?

I for one appreciate direct answers.

Originally posted by caladonea
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Why not stop with the guessing game that your are playing and give a direct answer?

I for one appreciate direct answers.

But then it's no fun

Ah fine:

It is impossible to prove why one's Military is "the best." There are plenty of contradicting reviews regarding different military forces. There is always a bias no matter where one looks. It is human nature to side with values, even if said human doesn't notice it.

Furthermore, how is one meant to score all the Military Forces to determine the "best" one? What metrics is one going to base said measure on? Size? Technology? Readiness? Maneuverability? Reliability? There are too many spheres pertaining to the military structures that it is impossible to determine who has the best military.

For instance, if one were to base the best military on how many troops are ready for direct deployment, one would choose North Korea as they have the largest available standing army, ready to deploy at any moment.

If one were to base it on technology, perhaps the USA would win. That is unknown considering many countries have their own projects happening.

If one were to base it on reliability, it could be argued that Australia could win, due to the countless time the country has shown heart and has never given up in the face of failure, most the time resulting in success.

You see, there is no solid basis to base "The best military" on. In the end, there is only opinions. This brings me back to the obvious thread content. I asked for sources to prove that the US has the best military. Some were supplied, but failed to be objective. The fact is, it is impossible to find a full blown, objective and credible source used to support the argument. Even if one were to supply said source, there are still too many factors to base it on.

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this is fun

And it's obvious that N. Korea is a joke compared to the USA. They have a big group of infantry haha. Let's see them march off the peninsula into... The ocean?

India vs Australia
Australia vs USA

Originally posted by caladonea
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Why not stop with the guessing game that your are playing and give a direct answer?

I for one appreciate direct answers.

I second that. Just what facts are you basing your opinion on DAAS?

I think some parts of our military is the best but not all. Our training is very good compared to others out there as we have more resources to train with. Now I have also met troops from many other countries, some just as good, some not, and even some foreign special ops that may in fact be better. Our forces also have much more experience than others wether it be in justifiable wars or not. I can tell you this with all honesty, I would never want to face the US Marines in battle no matter what tech I had.

And as much as it pains you to hear, yes America did help you in WWII. You guys had good troops fighting hard to protect your homeland but what if there were not thousands of Marines fighting on places like Gaudlcanal, New Britain, and the many other islands occupied by the Japaneees at the time? What would have happened if America sat back and let the Japaneese continue there take over of the Pacific?

For the record I will state again. I don't think our military is the best in the world as a whole but certain parts yes. I know this from experience and many years of training and operating with forces from other countries.

Originally posted by Dustytoad
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this is fun

And it's obvious that N. Korea is a joke compared to the USA. They have a big group of infantry haha. Let's see them march off the peninsula into... The ocean?

Exactly, but you see where i am coming from? It isn't possible to base what the best military is off of stand alone measures like tech or standing army.

India vs Australia

Thanks for the link. It was an interesting read. Not surprising though, considering India is a rising superpower.

Originally posted by usmc0311

Originally posted by caladonea
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Why not stop with the guessing game that your are playing and give a direct answer?

I for one appreciate direct answers.

I second that. Just what facts are you basing your opinion on DAAS?

I explained the "guessing game."

I think some parts of our military is the best but not all. Our training is very good compared to others out there as we have more resources to train with. Now I have also met troops from many other countries, some just as good, some not, and even some foreign special ops that may in fact be better. Our forces also have much more experience than others wether it be in justifiable wars or not. I can tell you this with all honesty, I would never want to face the US Marines in battle no matter what tech I had.

Cool. I have also read on numerous times about operations between the Marines and Aussies in the ME. Sounded crazy!

And as much as it pains you to hear, yes America did help you in WWII. You guys had good troops fighting hard to protect your homeland but what if there were not thousands of Marines fighting on places like Gaudlcanal, New Britain, and the many other islands occupied by the Japaneees at the time?

You do know right that Australia was heavily involved in the places you mentioned? It wasn't just the US operating there.

What would have happened if America sat back and let the Japaneese continue there take over of the Pacific?

The funny thing is that the US did sit back for most of the time and let Australia defend itself. I'm not taking credit away from the US forces at the time, because obviously, they helped on the islands, but Australia was also on operations with the US.

For the record I will state again. I don't think our military is the best in the world as a whole but certain parts yes. I know this from experience and many years of training and operating with forces from other countries.

I'm not disputing that, i just asked for proof. That being said, i agree. Many countries have their own specialties. I have read numerous accounts and reports that Australia is regarded as one of the best in reconnaissance. Just one of Australia's specialties. I am sure the US has it's own specialties as well.

What many poster here don't understand, is that i was not being anti-American in any way. I didn't attack anyone, yet people are still blaming me for it ???

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The main comparable difference is Logistics and the Navies of the world. I wouldn't bet against 11 carrier groups, Navy Seals, and Devil Dogs...

Access to Gasoline cannot be underestimated either.

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I don't know about anyone elses experience in U.S. Military, but I WAS highly trained and more than capable of performing all my duties in a high speed low drag sort of manner. I went to relaxin Jackson for basic, then on to
Ft. Sill OK, home of the field artillery, for my AIT. 13 E cannon fire direction control specialist training only happens in one training battalion in the U.S. military. A 2 -80th field artillery school A.K.A. Alphatraz. It was what I would call " Very Tough", border line hard. One time my DS walked in after we where in the field for 3 days, and walked to the very back corner of the 60 man bay, looked under a bunk and found the smallest dust bunny ever seen. He closed all the windows, turned the heat up all th way ordered us to dress in our winter uniforms and smoked us, for over an hour. Because it is by nature an very exacting job, the training is also very exacting. You will never see a late artillery man, our job is time on target. We do our jobs quite well, even in bad to very bad conditions.

I always just assumed that mine wasn't the only job training their soldiers hard and well at all things soldiering.