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The Truth About Obamacare From Someone Who Actually Read It

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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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story from Western Center for Journalism
By Michael Connelly - June 8, 2012

The Truth About Obamacare From Someone Who Actually Read It
 

The author here claims to have read the entire ObamaCare bill.

He focuses on some astonishing facts that point to a "not so Rosie" picture for the citizens.

Things like forced abortions and healthcare rationing are in there.

ObamaCare legislation has allowed many non elected agency bureaucrats to dictate policy and rules.
(dangerous, very dangerous)

Several Constitutional Amendments are in jeopardy as well.


Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.



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However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.



continue reading for more ...........


ObamaCare is a Marxist / Corporatist agenda ...

don't be fooled by the "textbook" laboratory flypaper

All those insurance companies and medical/pharmaceutical companies are Not small neighborhood stores !!

Neither are the U.S. Government agencies !!




posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Things like forced abortions and healthcare rationing are in there.


I noticed he didn't link them...?



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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With the budget already in a shambles, how is this supposed to be paid for? And are we to believe that costs are going to go down considering that Big Pharma was in on the "deal"?
Hopefully, the Supreme Court will strike this down.
I'm all for policy that encourages costs to go down for healthcare and make it more available to more people.
But bottom line, this "what is not forbidden is compulsory, what is not compulsory is forbidden" stuff needs to go away.
Obama is getting scarier and scarier, and I voted for him (I'm ahamed to admit)



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen


Things like forced abortions and healthcare rationing are in there.


No.

Unless you consider the pundit's opinion that the bill contains "probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession."

Just more contradictory nonsense. The health care blll cant both be a pro-business handout and 'socialism'.


edit on 9-6-2012 by stanguilles7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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I haven't read the entire bill, so I don't know if what many are saying is true, although I did see some things that concerned me. The truth is that something needs to be done about the current healthcare "system" in the US. That's the bottom line. At least this bill is "something," even though it could make things worse in the long run. Really, the people screwed over by agencies like the insurance company will now simply be screwed over by the government. Not much difference to the person who is still getting stiffed. I think it is difficult to say exactly how the future will play out if this goes into effect, although I agree some things can be foretold.

I am 100% against anything that disagrees with the Constitution, so regardless of whether this bill is good or bad, I have to reject it because it violates the Constitution on multiple points. And even only 1 contradiction to the Constitution would be enough.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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What is refered to as "healthcare profession" will be changed to "healthcare services" as professionalism will be scrapped as the independent autonomous healthcare worker (include medical doctors in that phrase) will be restricted. There will be no more choices but options as in "we are seeing if you qualify for option a or more than likely option b" which will be a series of lesser "non expensive" procedures. Instead of pain management it will be over dosing on ibuprofen.
If you want a good look at socialized medicinelook no deeper than how our vets are being treated. Look a little deeper and see how our inmates are being treated in corporate prisons.
The only people that will be practicing medicine will be foreign trained workers with pencil whipped accredidations that could care less about fat americans.
This is another assault on our infrastructure. While the military was built up to defend us our infrastructure through manufacturing, then commerce, now medicine and agriculture is under heavy assault and duress. If you can't see this assault on the United States and Western World by the card carrying communists you are blind. We refer to America as the great experiment however this communist governance with a capitalist economy in China was the experiment that has suited the power elite money changers.
We better stop blowing all our steam b@#*hing on these websites and hit the streets with our raw data. We have many talented and thorough researchers on here and we are good at fingering disinfo agents we need to separate the wheat from the chaff and hard print our findings on here and hand them out at the post offices malls and ball games and at our schools and breakrooms before it is too late. Knowledge is power. Turn off the tv and stop drinking tap water and your perception will change and your energy increase.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009.


That's nice. Now maybe he should take Nancy Pelosi's advice and read the law. Then, in three years (I guess that's how long it took him to read it), write a new article with actual information and maybe some actual quotes rather than conjecture and assumptions.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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I'll admit I have not read the entire bill. *Shudders at the thought...sigh*

Yet, I have read plenty of write=ups on how Obamacare has already caused
the prices of health care plans to rise!

The truth is we did not need this, and its just one step forward in the progressive
movement, where the supposed rights of the group exceed the rights of the individual!



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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so when is the scotus going to rule and throw this thing out?

or did they already rule and I just woke up from a coma ?



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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New rulings come out on Mondays. Speculation says it will be June 25th. Follow the www.scotusblog.com... for information.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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Marxist???

Yes. Forcing all your citizens to pay a private insurance company is the most communist idea ever. It's so communist in fact, that the GOP was very much in favor of it prior to Obama being elected. The horror!

If you're going to call Obama a Marxist, at least use an example which fits if you can find one.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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I'd rather see our whole healthcare system replaced with universal government run health care and kill all the Pharmacutical companies and all patents on medicine. Healthcare should not be part of capitalism or for profit. I'm sure many doctors would rather be put on salary and have no worries about lawsuits and creating work for others of the medical profession. We could have healthcare like Canada, England, Norway, or other countries. We wouldn't be as sick from the medical industry profiting off our sickness.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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I never read the law, however - credible sources reported thier concerns on how Obamacare would create "death panels" within hospitals where euthanising the elderly and terminally ill would be their job... they would be set up to review each case, determine worth in viability vs. cost, and if the thumbs down were determined as best choice over all, be set up as the patient's new primary care physician panel and begin a systematic destructive method of 'treatment' that would eventually kill the patient.

Well, I can verify from first hand experience that their concerns were correct. I watched them kill my wife last month.

That's all I can say right now, my pain is too great, and too new...



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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Your in my thoughts Heyo,
Most sincere heartfelt sympathy, and hopes for healing.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Look, I don't want to seem insensitive here, but this bill hasn't passed yet.

And if these "death panels" are true or not, it doesn't matter since...the bill hasn't passed yet.

So, you're either feeding us bs here.

Or you've got a big arsed civil law suite to file.

Sorry for your loss either way.


edit on 9/6/12 by Chadwickus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Heyyo_yoyo
 


Look, I don't want to seem insensitive here, but this bill hasn't passed yet.

And if these "death panels" are true or not, it doesn't matter since...the bill hasn't passed yet.

So, you're either feeding us bs here.

Or you've got a big arsed civil law suite to file.

Sorry for your loss either way.


edit on 9/6/12 by Chadwickus because: (no reason given)


well Chad, it would seem like a lawsuit were in order, however... Las Vegas has placed a major cap on Medical Malpractice suits due to the Dipak Desai case, it's half a billion dollar settlement, and healthcare 'professionals' pulling up shop and leaving, or threatening to, over the precedents established.

by the way, I believe obamacare was voted on and made into law Chad. Here's the link and quote thing...


The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA),[1][2] informally referred to as Obamacare,[3] is a United States federal statute signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. The law (along with the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010) is the principal health care reform legislation of the 111th United States Congress.


- SOURCE

ETA: Thanks for the support burntheships, as well as yours Chad. I'm in an absolute state of disbelief right now. I miss my wife SO MUCH!
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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:46 PM
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ObamaCare sure did pass and some of the directives are in place and in force.

Many sections come into play over the next few years.

It wasn't a "full steam ahead" law. it is being activated piecemeal.

this old thread has some info:
Meet the ObamaCare Mandate Committee

One problem with ObamaCare is that the legislators allowed the unelected Bureaucrats to dictate the rules and regulations !!!!!!!!

They are making policies ahead of the Supreme Court rulings.

Many of the policies are of this nature:

"Let's just do it and see what happens. We can change it later. Who cares if it works or not."

This is the arrogance we are dealing with here.



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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Well there ya go!

I guess like birthers, the "obamacare" haters can't let it go...

Which is why I thought it was still being debated.

My apologies.

Still, death panels are bunk...

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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Just like comic books contain lots of fiction so does wikipedia. I can't believe you are siting that as a source for your opinion.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:36 AM
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What do you think about the RFID on page 1001?? I think that is the correct page.



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