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Originally posted by xAlbinoniblAx
reply to post by Annee
Sorry I meant to just blame the AskAnAtheist channel for my banning, I wasn't targeting all athiests my apologies, I will explain in further detail of my situation in an upcoming thread
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Given the way religious nutcases are driving the world to war (specifically fundy x-ians in the USA, fundy islamists everywhere, fundy zionists in Israel & the USA) IMO can't happen soon enough!!
Originally posted by xAlbinoniblAx
Atheists may be able to defeat religion (cults created by men who want to control and manipulate masses of people), but it is impossible to defeat the individual beliefs that someone has by saying they cannot "see" what these theists "believe". The primary statement that atheists make is "Where is the evidence?" "Where is the proof?" "I can't see it so it does not exist !" This pertaining to God(a white-bearded man in the sky), but I believe God to be the entire universe, so when I hear an atheist say "I don't believe in God because there is no proof or evidence that God exists" what II hear is "I don't believe in the universe because there is no proof or evidence that the universe exists" so I am assuming that atheists are referring to the God "white-bearded man in the sky".
First off, "believing" doesn't come from "seeing" it first, "seeing" actually comes from "believing", I can explain this scientifically: "Seeing" isnt believing, "Believing" is seeing because you can only see what you believe. The reason we seem to see something before we believe it is an illusion created by our own mind because the neo-cortex of the brain is responsible for what you are seeing in the first place. So scientifically, you would have to believe something before you can even see it. Atheists are all about having scientific evidence, in this case the phrase "believing in something that doesnt exist" doesn't make any senseedit on 26-6-2012 by xAlbinoniblAx because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ScatterBrain
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Given the way religious nutcases are driving the world to war (specifically fundy x-ians in the USA, fundy islamists everywhere, fundy zionists in Israel & the USA) IMO can't happen soon enough!!
Good luck with that baby. In January 26, 2000 the Pope created a global church state.... guess what that means....
The pope is going to put the smack down on all you unbelievers, you will worship him and exactly as he wants you too worship him *cracks the whip.
But don't worry, I think all the real Christians will be eliminated first or soon after (real Christians don't do violence to man, the apostate ones do.... gee-sh, do your homework).
The N.W.O. has that all built right in darling, did you not get the memo?? Don't worry, I understand he plans a grand appearance soon.
If I were you, I would start doing some research on the Church of Rome, and Islam... quite an interesting and scary scenario I might say
Oh, and if you're out of practice dropping on your knees, you might wanna incorporate that in your daily exercise now so you don't look like an amateur.
Ya know, you would have known all this if you actually read the bible, everything you need to know is in there. *shrugs
Originally posted by xAlbinoniblAx
reply to post by luciddream
What im saying is that atheists refute the belief of a God
(being a white-bearded man in the sky) and so they should not refute what I or other people believe God to be (all that exists) because an atheist cannot say that the universe doesn't exist, that was my point, an atheist can continue refuting the white-bearded man but that is not what I believe God is. Now just because I believe God is all that exists doesn't mean anyone else has to believe it, because it is simply my belief and you cant really disprove what someone else believes because it only exists in that person's mind as does what anyone else believes, including atheists !
I say this because even when atheists only believe what they can see and what they can have concrete evidence and proof of doesn't make what others believe not true.
Athiests are all about scientific evidence and scientifically "Believing" is seeing because you can only see what you believe.
I will tell you that I believe "God" is just a name for the consciousness of everything that exists experiencing different aspects of itself, and that religions just believe God to be an actual being that created them. Anyone can continue their daily life with their beliefs but just know that i am only presenting what I believe and do not wish to force my beliefs upon anyone. Thank you for your time
Originally posted by xAlbinoniblAx
Understand that what I believe God is just consciousness experiencing itself as an aspect of everything that exists, so just know that i do not believe God is a white-bearded old man in the sky
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
most atheists say there is not god. I do not refuse your belief in god - if you do believe in god then that's your problem. Just stop telling me that I have to follow your myth.
You are confusing belief and knowledge.
Belief does nto make somethign true - beleif in god does not make god true in exactly the same way that belief there is no god makes god not true.
sounds to me like you are an atheist, since you do not actually beleive in god as a god at all, but only a name for something less than god.
Originally posted by xAlbinoniblAx
Well to my understand, in order to qualify for being an atheist I would have to not believe in any sort of afterlife what-so-ever