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No single uncontaminated text, no Code. And therefore No Cogent CODE Argument either !
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn
ׁשַעַּגרַה
What a stupid website. The "Mountain of God" spoken of in the Bible is already known. Jabal al Lawz in Saudi Arabia and it's not a volcano. Also, that's some magical volcano to appear as a cloud by day and pilar of fire by night for FORTY YEARS in the wilderness.edit on 7-6-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by SickeningTruths
Careful, there is a GREAT disinfo structure about today to discredit the codes from the same folks who discovered them to begin with. The Jews. They found the Name "Yeshua" plastered from one page to the other from the front to the back and now they spend an absurd amount of money to discredit the codes.
edit on 5-6-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Sigismundus
reply to post by SickeningTruths
So....long story short...since there were at least FIVE different text versions (i.e. consonantal sets of copies) of the TORAH prior to Javneh (ce 90, when only ONE version was decided upon among so many versions in circuclation at the time, i.e. the Babylonian Text Family which later became the Masoretic text) there is NO WAY IN HELL that you can EVER come up with a meaningful CODE from the TORAH - there is NO SINGLE CONSONANTAL TEXT VERSION of the Torah - only several versions - which is one of the reasons why the Rebbes and the Priests and the Ministers DID NOT WANT the Dead Sea Scroll versions of the bible copies to be published - but, alas...now we have the Internet....so, too bad for them !!!
Either way, No Coherent Text, ergo...No Coherent Code....FULL STOP.
Original Search Terms
Who Is the Messiah?
Judas
Son of a Virgin
His Spirit on a Tree
Jesus Reigns
Have Hemmed Me In
Angel of the Lord
Resurrection of Jesus
Peter
Jesus Is My Name
Presented in the tables are 201 codes ranging from 3 to 75 (Hebrew) letters in length. More than half, 131 out of the 201, are 8 letters or longer.
Nathan Jacobi, Ph.D., parsed and translated the codes.
Messiah or Suffering (sin-bearing) Servant?
. . .
#1
The Myth:
No Bible codes are real.
The Truth:
Some ELS phenomena must be real because they are far too improbable to be due to chance. Our What No Code Skeptic Can Find page has links to articles that cover a number of examples.
#2
The Myth:
Virtually all scientists believe Bible codes are bogus.
The Truth:
Suppose you only include scientists who have spent a significant amount of time investigating the potential validity of the phenomenon of Bible Codes? You get the following comparison:
[table is at the link--I'll paste in the data here]
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .BELIEVE PHENOMENON _ _ _ _ _ _ BELIEVE IT IS
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . *IS* REAL . . . . . . . . . . . . _ _ _ _ _ _ NOT REAL
RESEARCHERS WITH PHD's . . . . . . . . . . . Haralick, Jacobi, Katz . . _ _ _ _ _ _ Ingermanson
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Rips, Satinover . . . . . . ._ _ _ _ _ _ McKay, Simon
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Spielberg
RESEARCHERS WITH STRONG
TECHNICAL QUALIFICATIONS WHO ARE
NOT PHD's . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Acres, Gans, Shak, . . . _ _ _ _ _ _ Thomas
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sherman Witztum
To the best of my knowledge, none of the scientists who believe that the phenomenon is not real have devoted [color=6699FF]more than a fraction of the time taken by any of the scientists who believe the phenomenon is real.
#3
The Myth:
Since Drosnin has been discredited, all purported Bible codes have been discredited.
The Truth:
Drosnin's examples are trivial, and have been repudiated, as they should be. Code skeptics have basically ignored the substantive findings of many qualified code researchers who have presented highly improbable findings in the past several years.
Reality of Bible Codes Strongly Confirmed by Extensive Additional Research
By Richard E. Sherman, FCAS, MAAA, and Nathan Jacobi, Ph.D.
Abstract
In the article Non-Random Equidistant Letter Sequence Extensions in the Hebrew Bible published in the May/June 2010 digest, we summarized the results of 4½ years of BCD's most recent research. The specific findings from this research were published in BCD articles from November/December 2006 through March/April 2010. A rigorous analysis of these findings conclusively supported the rejection of the null hypothesis that Bible codes can be explained by random causes. The phenomenon cannot be explained by chance. This conclusion was based on a statistically significant population of 1,064 observations of initial search term ELSs that were examined for the possible existence of extensions in good Hebrew. A total of 475 extended ELSs were discovered in the course of this investigation.
Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Byrd
Here's a good video (part 1) on Bible Code FAQs
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Byrd
Here's a good video (part 1) on Bible Code FAQs
Thank you, but I don't watch videos. I do read papers and websites, though.
I've done some study on them, actually, and worked with the software. If you set up the sequences just right, you can create all sorts of texts (many of them are pure nonsense.) I am convinced, however, by the long list of negative codes and "after the fact predictions" that there is no substance to the Bible Codes.
One other point: if they were true (including all the negative ones) this means that mankind does not have free will (because it would be predetermined which texts survive and which ones would be used by the coders to create the code.)