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"Our whole society is designed so that you have to have money," Daniel Suelo says. "You have to be a part of the capitalist system. It's illegal to live outside of it."
reply to post by godWhisperer
The judge was a kindly white-haired man. "So you live without money," he drawled. "This is an honorable thing. But we live in the modern world. We have all these laws for a reason." Suelo hears this all the time: that we're living in different times now, that however noble his values, their practice is obsolete.
But the thought of having no money is surely an uncomfortable one. I've always admired stories of communities who set up their own money to get away from federal tyrannical exploitation, but I can't escape the thought that it's just another dirty system that can and will be exploited once it's a big enough system to drastically change lives.
Originally posted by godWhisperer
reply to post by ANOK
awesome, ANOK! yes, so by definition it is exploitative and a tool for control, but i wonder if it's possible to even consider a society like, say, Jacque Fresco might envision (not that i think his ideas are the answer, but i think they are a good example of the type of thinking i'm referencing here).
honestly, when considering this thread i felt some on ATS might attack the idea (or me) as being unrealistic and generalized as 'hippy'. but i really would like to know what people on ATS think about the tenability of the idea of a society without money.
Originally posted by sageofmonticello
reply to post by ANOK
I agree that it sounds great in theory but I have never understood how it would work. I mean where does personal incentive to work hard come from if not from the promise of personal benefit for oneself and ones family?
Where does the innovation come from?
What of the people that refuse to work, that wish to do nothing at all?
Where does the art come from? If bad artist that have no appeal still have everything provided for them, why wouldn't everyone become an artist and make crappy music that nobody likes or crappy paintings that hurt you eyes to look at?
If everyone got everything they needed and did the work that they wanted who would do the jobs nobody wants to do?
The jobs that are dangerous, dirty, etc... that are necessary for the world to function?
Please, don't think I am attacking your point of view, just some honest questions as it seems like a great ideal but simply unpractical and not very suited towards human nature. I just don't see how such a world would function and wouldn't mind having a gentle, respectful, intelligent and honest discussion about it. That is, if it doesn't derail the thread too much