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Commandos Raid Tampa, Dept Demands Power to Declare War

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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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Commandos Raid Tampa, Dept Demands Power to Declare War


www.thedailybell.com

"US military... in violation of 130+ years of the Posse Comitatus Act that bars domestic forces from active use on US soil."

"There were helicopters overhead and a tactical assault showed up by water. Then special ops teams invaded a "terrorist village" near the Convention Center and rescued the mayor, who said he was grateful."

"The Secretary of State seemed to inform the conference that the State Department now had the unilateral authority to declare a limited state of war via an expanding liaison with US Special Operations Forces..."

(visit the link for the full news article)


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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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This was a shocker. I used to live/work on/around the base there in Tampa. The black berets there are no laughing matter (and I mean the original black berets, not the ones awarded out to individuals).

Clinton looks to want the ability to declare war just the same as the president and US defense secretary. I can only begin to imagine what something like this, allowing military personnel free-roam inside of civilian areas, will bear in the future.

www.thedailybell.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 07:44 PM
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, or not seeing the full picture...

But. Firstly, it's adviseable in my opinion to leave counter-terrorism to special operations forces of the military variety, rather than police "Counter-terrorism units". Experience, superior training and weapons are the main reasons for this, but also because most of the time, police is forced to negotiate with terrorists before taking action - and everybody knows negotiating with terrorists is a big no-no.

But more importantly in this issue is, this was a drill, and that sort of thing happens all the time in the own country. Joint drills between nations even. It's not a big deal. Just recently, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and other NATO military participated in Cold Response, a joint military exercise in Norway. Just because it took place in Norway does not mean that the Norwegian soldiers were cooperating with other countries to enslave their own people. I guess what I'm essentially saying is; Just a drill, no big deal.

Again, though, I leave it fully open that I might not be seeing the whole picture. But this is what I'm seeing here.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 07:44 PM
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well, if you're preparing for war, like the u.s. is, special forces have to train on u.s. soil, in case foreign troops land on american shores.

the fact they are going for such realism is the main concern. what do they know, that the american people, undoubtedly, will be the last to find out.

on a side note, what is the u.s. military supposed to do. say, oh well, we're not allowed to operate on u.s. soil, so we'll go home and let the 50,000 strong chinese/russian joint task force march all over the u.s. and take the disney tour.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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There is always the possibility that the government is doing this to ' help us' accept seeing soldiers on our streets. I am just saying that it is a possibility.

Before this kind of thing, outside of a military base, the most training a person would see our military do would be marching in a parade (I am speaking of ground forces).



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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This was a shocker. I used to live/work on/around the base there in Tampa. The black berets there are no laughing matter (and I mean the original black berets, not the ones awarded out to individuals)

 

not catching your point here. other than you dont know the difference between reality and exercise. And so what?

Now about the Black Beenie ....so what ...I have one....so what....wore it for um 8 years total...what are you saying about it.

The Army weeds out Individuals in Basic Military Training.

What is your Point with all this misleading titles and all. I say you're a little green about posting in the Breaking Alternative News, and to give you a break on this one, what do you say?.

now let me get back to enjoying my freedom before someone screws that up!!!



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by randomname

on a side note, what is the u.s. military supposed to do. say, oh well, we're not allowed to operate on u.s. soil, so we'll go home and let the 50,000 strong chinese/russian joint task force march all over the u.s. and take the disney tour.
The US military can defend the US against foreign military incursions into CONUS or any other US territory. Posse Commitatus is supposed to prevent the US military being used as police against American citizens.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by SoulVisions

"US military... in violation of 130+ years of the Posse Comitatus Act that bars domestic forces from active use on US soil."


Why did you snip out the part of the above sentence that said this was a 'mock drill'?



The US military staged a mock drill in violation of 130+ years of the Posse Comitatus Act that bars domestic forces from active use on US soil.

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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Gauss
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, or not seeing the full picture...

But. Firstly, it's adviseable in my opinion to leave counter-terrorism to special operations forces of the military variety, rather than police "Counter-terrorism units".


To quote the Green Goblin; "Wrong answer."

The problem isn't thinking that spec ops teams should be used for counter-terrorism. The problem is believing in the government's rationalisation of counter-terrorism at all.

Government should not be permitted to violate Posse Comitatus. Not to protect people from the terrorists. Not to stop the child pornographers. Not to stop drug runners from Mexico, Columbia, or Cuba. Not for any reason at all. Not for any BS excuse that the geriatric, demonic, power-crazed fascists in the legislative branch are able to come up with.

The problem is that Americans still believe, after everything that it has done to them, and continues to do to them, that the American government is on their side.

Get it into your heads, once and for all. The FEMA camps haven't been built, and will not be run, to house Mexican immigrants. They're going to be processing you. The government doesn't want to be able to use domestic spec ops teams for counter-terrorism. It wants to be able to use them against you, and because you've allowed it to, that is exactly what it is going to do.

The Mexican immigrants, and counter-terrorism, are BS excuses, and absolutely nothing more. As stated before, the problem is in the fact that Americans are willing to allow the government to violate Posse Comitatus for any reason whatsoever.

They will use whatever justification for it, that they know you are most likely to accept, and most especially, they will use your insistence on thinking that as long as it is only other people who are incarcerated, tortured, and murdered, and as long as you are ok, then in your mind, that is totally acceptable.

It is a case of Americans' own stupidity and moral degeneracy being used against them. If you were any sort of real human beings at all, you wouldn't want Mexicans being put in FEMA camps, either. You wouldn't want anyone to be. You also wouldn't be so utterly cowardly and afraid of terrorism, that the mere mention of the word causes you to give the government carte blanche, to be able to demand and get whatever it wants, irrespective of the fact that the only reason why it wants anything, and the only thing it works towards, is harming you.
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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 08:42 PM
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Can you explain how you think this is in violation of Posse Comitatus?

Because that only prevents local and state authorities from using federal military power to enforce local law. It doesnt prevent training on US soil.

Also, it's worth noting that Posse Comitatus only covers the Amry and Air Force, not the Navy or Marines or Coast Guard.
posse comitatus


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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by petrus4
 


Can you explain how you think this is in violation of Posse Comitatus?

Because that only prevents local and state authorities from using federal military power to enforce local law. It doesnt prevent training on US soil.

Also, it's worth noting that Posse Comitatus only covers the Amry and Air Force, not the Navy or Marines or Coast Guard.


These are the types of justifications that the government will try to obtain, yes. Why are you making excuses for it? Do you want it to be permitted to slaughter you?



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by petrus4



These are the types of justifications that the government will try to obtain, yes. Why are you making excuses for it? Do you want it to be permitted to slaughter you?


Thats not what I asked, nor is it what I am doing.

I asked you to explain how you think this is in violation of Posse Comitatus.

Can you do so?



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by petrus4



These are the types of justifications that the government will try to obtain, yes. Why are you making excuses for it? Do you want it to be permitted to slaughter you?


Thats not what I asked, nor is it what I am doing.

I asked you to explain how you think this is in violation of Posse Comitatus.

Can you do so?


Fairly easily, from what I can see. The law does not appear to make any distinction, regarding training exercises. The fact that it says nothing about such exercises, should not automatically be interpreted as tacit authorisation of them.
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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Well, youre wrong, because Posse Comitatus has never prevented training on US soil. In fact, to claim otherwise is just nonsense. Its happened over and over in the past hundred plus years since the act became law.

The article is sensationalist crap, and the OP rather obviously intentionally omitted the part that mentions this was a MOCK DRILL.

Educate yourself.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by petrus4
 


Well, youre wrong, because Posse Comitatus has never prevented training on US soil. In fact, to claim otherwise is just nonsense. Its happened over and over in the past hundred plus years since the act became law.

The article is sensationalist crap, and the OP rather obviously intentionally omitted the part that mentions this was a MOCK DRILL.

Educate yourself.


Can I ask you what your motivation is, here? Is it simply that you are not capable of seeing past the letter of the law; i.e., that as long as the government does not violate said letter exactly, then in your mind, it should be permitted to do what it wants?

Or is it that you are someone who fears terrorism, and who thus believes that the government requires this kind of empowerment in order to protect you, because you rely on them for your survival?



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by petrus4


Can I ask you what your motivation is, here?


My motivation is quite clear. I have repeatedly asked you if you even know what Posse Comitatus is, and your repeated refusal to answer this very simple questions tells me you dont.

You read an article which claims this is in violation of Posse Comitatus, and you ran with it, without questioning or researching, and then you attack the people who point out the flaws in your logic. That's a fail on your part, good sir.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by petrus4


Can I ask you what your motivation is, here?


My motivation is quite clear. I have repeatedly asked you if you even know what Posse Comitatus is, and your repeated refusal to answer this very simple questions tells me you dont.


a] It is a law intended to prevent the use of military ordinance against the civilian population.

b] I am aware of the fact that you are attempting to prove me wrong. What I want to know, however, is what is behind that intention. I don't expect to get an answer to that, either, as much as I would like one; because given what I am inclined to suspect that the answer is, you probably don't want to internally confront it yourself, let alone admit it to somebody else in a public forum.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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Can I ask you what your motivation is, here?

 

Sir may I ask you the same question?
I ask it with a hard ball tone.

Please if you will, show me an active Camp where nonconforming US citizens are held against their will for reasons of not complying to Government Standards

Show me the tanks freely roaming the streets of America,

Show me Check Points manned by Military Personnel with Sub machine guns Shotguns and the like.

Show me the Humvee's stopping here and there and dragging away people who have spoken out against our Government, failure to work or failure to pay taxes

Show me where these troops are

Show me the mass assembly of US Military going door to door kicking with Jack Boots to collect firearms and those that try to hide them dragged into the middle of the street and shot so as to make an example

Show me Sir, I am not from Missouri but please show me!!!
after your exchange I sure do demand it of you because I can!!!
I SAY PROVE IT!!!!

I live in the USA and I just dont see them.

Now is it possible you Sir have been Brainwashed by the likes of Alex Jones
Is it possible you your self have a psychosis much the same as AJ in which you make these ridiculous claims

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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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LOL. So, you repeatedly and continually attack me instead of simply answering my question. As illustrated, you dont even know what the hell Posse Comitatus actually is. You mong Fear, sir.

My motivation is truth.

Yours is fear and sensationalism.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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"and everybody knows negotiating with terrorists is a big no-no. "

I am certainly not everybody so I have no clue what you mean here??
How can you make me think you are rational??
Where do you get your information for this?



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