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Commandos Raid Tampa, Dept Demands Power to Declare War

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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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Now is it possible you Sir have been Brainwashed by the likes of Alex Jones
Is it possible you your self have a psychosis much the same as AJ in which you make these ridiculous claims


I take offense to that!!!


(Remind me to one day post a pic of Alex from high school – he was crazier then though his pix look innocent)


Didn’t the Posse Comitatus Act pretty much disappear while we slept during the passage of the Patriot Act, NDAA, ACTA, etc? I’m sure that was lost in the mix!

You’re right that what the OP reported clearly isn’t a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act because the military wasn’t enforcing laws.

As much as I don’t like foreign boots on American soil I can’t be hypocritical; we do it in their countries!




posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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First. To quote everybody else around here; "Training exercises do not violate Posse Comitatus", dude. If they were, do you realize that the American military would not be allowed, by law, to train in their own country? They'd have to waste millions of dollars every year, if not billions, on training their soldiers in foreign countries. It does sound a wee bit silly, doesn't it?

Second. I have yet to see any credible sources on FEMA camps existing in the US. More importantly, this thread is not about FEMA camps, it's about a mock drill, aka a training exercise, that somehow, the how of which is yet to be explained, managed to violate Posse Comitatus. Stay on the topic, please.

Third. Terrorism is real. More importantly, it's a real threat. We've been fighting terrorists for hundreds of years. Now, whether or not those terrorists who take hostages and lock themselves up in an embassy are employed by CIA or not, they will kill those hostages if their demands aren't met. At that point, somebody is required to step in and not only kill them, but save the hostages. Alex Jones isn't going to do that. Professional counter-terrorism units such as SAS, GSG9, and in the case of the US, because of Posse Comitatus, SWAT, will do that.

Plainly speaking; It's easy to denounce violence until you need someone to do violence to protect those you hold dear. Similarly, it's easy to denounce Counter-terrorism units, until you need those CT units to protect innocent people from being killed by fanatics. Where those fanatics come from, and who pays their bills, is irrelevant up until the point where they're dead and the hostages safe.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Sorry for not explaining closer, dude. I believe the textbook explanation for this is something along these lines; "Never negotiate with terrorists. It will only encourage further acts of violence, because it shows the terrorists that their methods are actually working".

Another reason is, of course, we simply don't do it. We don't negotiate with fanatics who casually toss innocent lives aside to reach their own objectives.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by rebellender
 



Now is it possible you Sir have been Brainwashed by the likes of Alex Jones
Is it possible you your self have a psychosis much the same as AJ in which you make these ridiculous claims

Didn’t the Posse Comitatus Act pretty much disappear while we slept during the passage of the Patriot Act, NDAA, ACTA, etc?



show me where we now have Martial Law enacted as I described earlier in this thread

we may soon, even tomorrow but we dont now seabag and you know it

yes you and I have committed such acts in other Arab countries but its not being done now here in our streets


(Remind me to one day post a pic of Alex from high school – he was crazier then though his pix look innocent

would love to see pics of him early in years maybe there is a shot of you and him together?
its all in fun seabag until it gets serious, and God help us when it does

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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
Show me the Humvee's stopping here and there and dragging away people who have spoken out against our Government, failure to work or failure to pay taxes

Show me where these troops are

Show me the mass assembly of US Military going door to door kicking with Jack Boots to collect firearms and those that try to hide them dragged into the middle of the street and shot so as to make an example

Show me Sir, I am not from Missouri but please show me!!!
after your exchange I sure do demand it of you because I can!!!
I SAY PROVE IT!!!!

I live in the USA and I just dont see them.

Now is it possible you Sir have been Brainwashed by the likes of Alex Jones
Is it possible you your self have a psychosis much the same as AJ in which you make these ridiculous claims


Hell no, they can't show you
a damn thing. The bullcrap fear
mongering is all it is. That or the fascination
and tingly feeling all over at the thought of
America being invaded by another country
and taken over... When I first read this report
i knew it must of been some type of training excercise.
Think about it, where do you peopl expect our military men
to train? From the low level potatoe peeler grunt, up to the NAVY SEAL TEAM 6
they have to train. Going over the line like maning the streets
with active soldiers house to house is one thing, and training
to fight the enemy here at home is another. Get off the soap box
poop or get off the toilet. We are all waiting, or is this going to be
an AJ like stunt where he is about to show the evidence and
somehow it magically gets hacked or dissapears?....



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:10 PM
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show me where we now have Martial Law enacted as I described earlier in this thread

we may soon, even tomorrow but we dont now seabag and you know it yes you and I have committed such acts in other Arab countries but its not being done now here in our streets


Martial Law has not been declared, you're right again. You misunderstood my post because I agreed with you!


Training on US soil IS going on (apparently…based on the OP’s info) which is not a violation. My point was that WE train on THEIR soil so, as much as I don’t like it personally, there is nothing illegal or irregular about that fact.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by petrus4

Please if you will, show me an active Camp where nonconforming US citizens are held against their will for reasons of not complying to Government Standards


They're not active, yet. However, they are currently recruiting troops for the role. The process is gradual; spanning decades. They have to go slowly, in order to ensure that people like yourself are able to continue to tell yourselves that it isn't happening, up until the point where they're ready. If they do things too suddenly, the people will revolt. So it has to be done very gradually.

U.S. Army Orders $266 Million Worth of Ammo Amid Re- Education Camp Claims and Martial Law Drills on the Streets of America

FEMA - Halliburton Confirms Concentration Camps Already Constructed.


Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by petrus4

Show me the tanks freely roaming the streets of America.


This is intended to be a rhetorical statement. I can go close, however.





Footage from the government's mass murder at Waco; the first large scale violation of Posse Comitatus. They're not going to do that in the streets, yet. As I said, they're not quite ready.


Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by petrus4

Show me Check Points manned by Military Personnel with Sub machine guns Shotguns and the like.




Gearing Up: DHS Purchases Bullet Resistant Checkpoint Booths Amid Large Scale Ammo Buildup.


Show me the Humvee's stopping here and there and dragging away people who have spoken out against our Government, failure to work or failure to pay taxes


They're not going to do it this openly, or at least not yet. They've learned from Hitler's mistakes. They're being a lot more subtle about it, this time.


Show me the mass assembly of US Military going door to door kicking with Jack Boots to collect firearms and those that try to hide them dragged into the middle of the street and shot so as to make an example




Have fun trying to rationalise that.





These last two are my favourites, for police brutality.





Now is it possible you Sir have been Brainwashed by the likes of Alex Jones


Perhaps.

You might be able to claim that the evidence that I've offered you, isn't identically in line with what you would consider a police state. I'd encourage you to view all of it, however, and then ask yourself the question.

Do you really want to go much closer?
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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by rebellender
 



show me where we now have Martial Law enacted as I described earlier in this thread

we may soon, even tomorrow but we dont now seabag and you know it yes you and I have committed such acts in other Arab countries but its not being done now here in our streets


Martial Law has not been declared, you're right again. You misunderstood my post because I agreed with you!


Training on US soil IS going on (apparently…based on the OP’s info) which is not a violation. My point was that WE train on THEIR soil so, as much as I don’t like it personally, there is nothing illegal or irregular about that fact.


yes yes yes the black suits and the black helicopters the black Cadillac's yes alphabet boys in black turtle necks with pythons in shoulder rigs yes yes yes

please dont tell them where I live, wait I have a black turtle neck on my avatar



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
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LOL. So, you repeatedly and continually attack me instead of simply answering my question. As illustrated, you dont even know what the hell Posse Comitatus actually is. You mong Fear, sir.

My motivation is truth.

Yours is fear and sensationalism.


Truth be told old son. What? -- with in the realm of sanity ---is anybody doing a dumb ass mock attack on any village in America??
Do you know about the REAL attack on a Christian village in WACO ??
It is still un-explained by a bunch of psychotic, psychopathic morons.
All you have to do-- in US controlled areas is--- like with Noriega and Koresh -- buy them a cup of coffee
at their favorite coffee shop and then read them there rights as you cuff them.

Excessive force American Village KISS MY ROSEY RED bum.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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maybe tomorrow but not yet and not as I described...sorry you went to that trouble though I know it took you some time.

and dont come back with images of OWS law breakers, they dont count...

but what if I told you I took part in operations as an Army soldier on drug busts here in the USA?

real Beretta's real bullets and real perp's crappin their pants right in front of my 9mm barrel...

what would you say to that????



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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Wow. My mind was on Waco. Yours also. Screw these anti Amerians. They got squat.



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by petrus4
 


maybe tomorrow but not yet and not as I described...sorry you went to that trouble though I know it took you some time.

and dont come back with images of OWS law breakers, they dont count...

but what if I told you I took part in operations as an Army soldier on drug busts here in the USA?

real Beretta's real bullets and real perp's crappin their pants right in front of my 9mm barrel...

what would you say to that????


I would give you an answer if you dare ask me



posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by petrus4
 


but what if I told you I took part in operations as an Army soldier on drug busts here in the USA?

real Beretta's real bullets and real perp's crappin their pants right in front of my 9mm barrel...

what would you say to that????


I'd say that that is what the War on Drugs is. Existing drug law being used as a means of acclimatising civilians to the military performing duties and roles, that said military was not designed for.

The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012. Written a few years ago now, hence the date. Speculative fiction...we can hope.
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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:48 PM
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there is no room for racism in this exchange, if you dont mind can you edit


we do not have martial law in this country the USA by any means or standard YET!!! Tomorrow is another day and speculation is certainly your choice to do so,

If you have Martial Law actively in Canada?


but I doubt it seriously

have a good night
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posted on May, 27 2012 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by petrus4
 


there is no room for racism in this exchange, if you dont mind can you edit


Done. I'd seriously encourage you to read that pdf at some point, if you have time. It is entertaining, and it is also very informative. He lists his sources.



posted on May, 28 2012 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by petrus4

Done. I'd seriously encourage you to read that pdf at some point, if you have time. It is entertaining, and it is also very informative. He lists his sources.


Entertaining is what I would call this post
I am replying too. Pointing to some pdf file
made by who the hell knows which somehow
states the point trying to be made, makes
no point at all.. Entertaining like watching
a chicken with its head cut off...

I encourage you to stop listening to so many damn
conspiracy nuts, be your own person, come up with your own
thinking because going down this path, your brain will fall out.

None of that proves the military is on the streets of America need to brush up on
the comitting uses of posse comitatus?
The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies in using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order";


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posted on May, 28 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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Oh goody, another thread in the New World Order forum about the same mock drill that references the same source to start it. It's only posted four hours after the first thread was posted.

At least the OP of the other thread wasn't trying to twist things by deliberately deleting the fact that it was a mock drill from posted quote.



posted on May, 28 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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what is far more sad, is that you and people like you automatically assume that violence is the ONLY solution or that resorting to violence should be an option at all, as cognitively capable intellegent humans we should ALL come to the understanding that violence is utterly out dated and completely uncalled for, we should certainly be able to work out our problems in a manner not requiring the use of any violence whatsoever.



posted on May, 28 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by CagliostroTheGreat
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what is far more sad, is that you and people like you automatically assume that violence is the ONLY solution or that resorting to violence should be an option at all, as cognitively capable intellegent humans we should ALL come to the understanding that violence is utterly out dated and completely uncalled for, we should certainly be able to work out our problems in a manner not requiring the use of any violence whatsoever.


The only problem with this line of thinking, is that the psychopaths don't agree with it themselves. Turn the other cheek with one of them, and you're going to need reconstructive surgery afterwards.



posted on May, 28 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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it seems to me as though the psychopaths, however, aren't able to function as normal cognitive human beings. as for the rest of you?
whats your excuse?

to clarify however i am not suggesting "turning the cheek" but rather that there is no excuse for anyone to exert violence on anyone for any reason...
this, of course, is an obvious pipe dream.
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