French MP: US bombed French journalists' convoy!

Originally posted by Intelearthling
They didn't want to go to Iraq. Now they want to go to Iraq. They should've stuck with their first intentions and stayed out. I didn't invite them their. Did you?

I did not knew that for someone to enter Iraq he must have an invitation from you.

Are you the new Iraqi president?

[edit on 2/10/2004 by ArMaP]

Originally posted by ArMaP
I did not knew that for someone to enter Iraq he must have an invitation from you.

Of course they do! From us. I mean from U.S.

Regardless American bombed a british convoy in Afganistan, even though the convoy had a British flag.

They bombed A canadian convoy if I remember rightly. U.S have quite a high friendly fire rate by the sounds of it.

Well done!

www.globalsecurity.org...

Originally posted by 7th_Chakra
Regardless American bombed a british convoy in Afganistan, even though the convoy had a British flag.

They bombed A canadian convoy if I remember rightly. U.S have quite a high friendly fire rate by the sounds of it.

Well done!

www.globalsecurity.org...

Maybe that is the reason for the US having so many enemies.

Its because its dangerous to be their friend.

Originally posted by Samiralfey

Wrong, the tide was already turned with the Red Army joining in so German would have lost anyway without the help of US. BUT this is NOT the subject of this thread so please, everytime somebody mentions France or French people, DO NOT use WW2 as excuse to bash that person and the subject of his thread.

[edit on 2-10-2004 by Samiralfey]

The tide turned in the Russian front when Germany had to split up it forces out of fear of a second american front, Germany was preparing for such a attack long before America attacked. If Germany could have used all its forces on Russia it would not have been a sure victory for Russia at all.

The truth is Russia didnt really liberate anyone in WW2 they fought back a German invasion and took the fight to the Germans. Russia would have kept on rolling right through Germany and into the rest of Europe. France under Russia's rule might have been worst then German rule.


[edit on 2-10-2004 by ShadowXIX]

[edit on 2-10-2004 by ShadowXIX]

what a pity to be a super moderator Thomas Crowne and to say such things...
i can only say u in french "pauv' truffe"
understand if u can

Silverthorn I understand your feelings on the war and of course the immediate situation of your comrades in Iraq. It's a terrible situation everyone is in.

I am an American and embarrased on the Bush administrations policies. I am however not embarrassed of the troops over there away from their families fighting a war they did not ask for. They were sent there by greedy politicians with their own agendas, having nothing to do with making America safer or the world for that matter.

You must understand Iraq is a combat zone. The troops over there have a duty to protect their own lives and the lives of their men. In war people die - mostly civilians, but you won't hear that on CNN or any network for that matter. Instead you hear phrases such as, 'insurgents, strongholds, operation,' and so forth. Who is getting wasted? - civilians, anyone that thinks differently has no idea what war is about they are just flapping at the jaws about # they don't understand.

The french journalists are no doubt pissed about getting shot at but they knew what they were in for. Any combat zone, I don't care where your at, if your on the road with people who look like the enemy or if your in an area where you are not supposed to be you are going to either die or get shot at - that simple.

In chechnya the russians didn't have mercy on anyone, especially journalists (they were targeted) so really there is no bitch here it's combat plain and simple, men, women, children die that is the unfortunate atrocity of war.

The french journalists knew what they were in for when they went to Iraq to cover the war, that they could possibly die under friendly fire or enemy fire. They are pissed about it but they know the Americans WERE NOT targeting them because they were french. They just blew off a little steam for having a botched mission - understandable. Don't think they hate Americans because they don't. American soldiers are there because the government sent them there and the world knows that.

If asked if the troops could go home, you bet their arse they would, but we can't just leave the Iraqi's hanging out in the breeze after destroying their country and toppling their government. We have an obligation to not only secure Iraq but to rebuild their economy and that is going to take years.

Worst case scenario we have to deal with the Bush administration for four more years. Thats the great thing about America we only have to deal with an administration for 8 years and then we have a ne president and a new administration with new policies. So hang in there Silverthorn don't hate Americans we have to work together for a bright future. I certainly do not want to see young 18 year old kids drafted and be car bomb fodder for the next ten years.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Until then, go find someone else to insult. You want to stop by and flame, you'll get your butt kicked out. But, you're are used to that; I think you know more about Vietnam kicking butt than we do.

[edit on 2-10-2004 by Thomas Crowne]

Maybe you should respond to this post as super moderator?

Originally posted by Intelearthling
They didn't want to go to Iraq. Now they want to go to Iraq. They should've stuck with their first intentions and stayed out. I didn't invite them their. Did you?

Some people might get offended by the lack of compassion for life in this comment. They might even get angery and post an aggresive response. then the whole thread might get messy....maybe?

Can you not see Interearthlings comment basically translates to a French men as 'they are french it doesn't matter if they die'??

[edit on 2-10-2004 by 7th_Chakra]

The Frogs are the most corrupt, self serving, (and as all records of deodorant sales in Europe testify), smelly people in Europe.

Their politicians are corrupt - can you believe their last President had an illegitimate child and the press never reported it even though they knew?

Their current President is as corrupt as an African dictator.

There are two reasons why France opposed the removal of Sadaam

1. They are cowards - the history of France in the 20th Century is one of cowardness and weakness

2. They are corrupt - France was regularly breaking sanctions against Iraq - making a lot of money selling him weapons.

It is such a delicious irnony that these cowards, who present themselves as opponents of the war, then get two of their menfolk kidnapped. Why? Because the Muslims are crazy and hate all Westerners and want to kill them all - making French opposition to the removal of Saddam completely wrong.

France - old Europe, corrupt, diseased, irrelevant.

Where are the moderators now?

Or maybe the moderation is one way only.

Thats usually how opinions go - one way.

Jesus Christ. I knew that you can't take the ATS [edited comment] as example for the average american citizen but this thread gives a good impression why bored people invented terrorism against the USA.

Come on folks, re-read what you all wrote. This isn't funny and most important: on the level of humanity the opinions here would even frigthen Adolf Hitler.


EDITED: to remove never appropriate comment.

[edit on 3-10-2004 by RANT]

DENY IGNORANCE, MODERATE WITH BIAS......!

Moderating the thread and opinion of the thread should be kept seperate imo. If you learn how to do it successfully please pass your information onto Fox News. They need a hand seperating opinion from news reporting.

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by SILVERTHORN
I am french and i understand now why so many people here hate americans.
Your are so stupid man!!!

You do realize that if it where not for us Americans occasionally poking our nose into the injustices of this world, you would still be living in German Occupied France, Right?

Are you so sure?

Originally posted by SILVERTHORN
I am french and i understand now why so many people here hate americans.
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and I�m American and have for a very long time have understood why nearly as many if not more French fought for the Nazis than the allies. So to pretend that it is something new is rather disingenuous. Anyhow even if you give this report credence as it is from al jizz-era and their number one correspondent fanoose; what kind of an idiot enters a combat zone gains a combatant escort and is surprised when the other side lobs something in their direction?

Originally posted by Samiralfey
Wrong, the tide was already turned with the Red Army joining in so German would have lost anyway without the help of US. BUT this is NOT the subject of this thread so please, everytime somebody mentions France or French people, DO NOT use WW2 as excuse to bash that person and the subject of his thread.

Wow, as you probably know how to read it sure is a shame you are as misinformed as you are. You might investigate the �dummies� line of books and see if they have a WW2 for dummies book it will probably ease you into it.

Originally posted by FredT
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- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

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- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

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Fred, I knew although at times I just don�t get what your driving at there was a reason I vote for you, those are just freakin funny.

Originally posted by WisdomMaster

Originally posted by defcon5
You do realize that if it where not for us Americans occasionally poking our nose into the injustices of this world, you would still be living in German Occupied France, Right?

Are you so sure?

No, probably once they integrated with the French they�d have been accidentally defeated by a Boy Scout troop on a weekend retreat.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Thing is, the only source I'm seeing for this is the highly unbiased....*cough* (ok, even I can't say it with a straight face) Al Jazeera *cough* news network....






Originally posted by keholmes
Anyhow even if you give this report credence as it is from al jizz-era and their number one correspondent fanoose; what kind of an idiot enters a combat zone gains a combatant escort and is surprised when the other side lobs something in their direction?



Gazrok, i think you need to take Anti-cough syrup. . we don't wan't to get infected now! Ofcourse since you and keholmes would be characterized as paranoiac/skepticism type of persons here's other sources which would (i hope) heal some of your symptoms!


Other Sources:

• reuters.com
  DAMASCUS (Reuters) - A self-appointed mediator said the release of two French journalists held in Iraq since August fell through on Friday when a group of Iraqis transporting them was bombarded by U.S. forces.
  
  
• guardian.co.uk
  Meanwhile, French Lawmaker Didier Julia told reporters in Damascus, Syria, that that a convoy bringing them to Syria came under U.S. fire, scuttling their release. Julie, who's involved in the hostage negotiations, said the journalists were unharmed. U.S. forces in Iraq said they had no reports to indicate there was any truth to the allegation.
  
  
• ttc.org
  DAMASCUS, Oct 1 (AFP) - A French lawmaker said here Friday that US forces had torpedoed his mission to secure the release of two French journalists held in Iraq, leaving six Iraqi security guards dead in one incident.
  
  
• abcnews.go.com
  DAMASCUS (Reuters) - A self-appointed mediator said the release of two French journalists held in Iraq since August fell through Friday when a group of Iraqis transporting them was bombarded by U.S. forces.
  
  
• news.yahoo.com
  DAMASCUS (Reuters) - A self-appointed mediator said the release of two French journalists held in Iraq since August fell through Friday when a group of Iraqis transporting them was bombarded by U.S. forces.
  
  
• abcnews.go.com
  Oct. 1, 2004 � DAMASCUS (Reuters) - The release of two French journalists held in Iraq since August was delayed Friday when a group of Iraqis transporting them was bombarded by U.S. forces, an aide to a French MP aiming to help free them said.
  
  
• newsday.com
  Meanwhile, French Lawmaker Didier Julia told reporters in Damascus, Syria, that that a convoy bringing them to Syria came under U.S. fire, scuttling their release. Julie, who's involved in the hostage negotiations, said the journalists were unharmed. U.S. forces in Iraq said they had no reports to indicate there was any truth to the allegation
  


Now, what we would say to Fanoose who helped us on our paranoiac problem. . . Right "Thank you Fanoose!"





Originally posted by 7th_Chakra
They bombed A canadian convoy if I remember rightly. U.S have quite a high friendly fire rate by the sounds of it.
Well done!
www.globalsecurity.org...



Yep, and they also bombed a Kurdish convoy too which also included US special forces!!


'Friendly fire' hits Kurdish convoy:
"An American warplane has bombed a Kurdish convoy in northern Iraq which had been joined by members of US special forces, killing several people." - bbc.co.uk

Other 'Friendly Fire' incidents by US forces:

• 6 April: US/Kurdish convoy attacked by US jet
  
• 3 April: US soldier killed by US ground forces
  
• 3 April: US ground forces attacked by US jet, 3 killed
  
• 28 March: UK vehicles attacked by US jet, 1 killed
  
• 25 March: UK tank fires on another British tank, 2 killed
  
• 23 March: UK jet shot down by US missile, 2 killed
  

[edit on 2-10-2004 by fanoose]

Originally posted by FredT
More than just the Vietnam War
(posted on 9/8/04 at 09:55 Post Number: 716470 (post id: 737164))
Credit to ShadowXIX

Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.
- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

Truncated for brevity. FredT, that was great!

Oh yeah, don't forget all the Tour de France's!

from the Al-Jazeera article:
The MP said Brett learned of the mission's failure as soon as he arrived separately at the Syrian border and headed straight back to the journalists' captors.

Uh, does anyone see a problem with this?

Originally posted by jsobecky



from the Al-Jazeera article:
The MP said Brett learned of the mission's failure as soon as he arrived separately at the Syrian border and headed straight back to the journalists' captors.


Uh, does anyone see a problem with this?







Julia's assistant, Philippe Brett, had persuaded the kidnappers to release the Frenchmen and they all left in two separate convoys from their place of detention, both of which had come under US fire, the MP said. . . .

The MP said Brett learned of the mission's failure as soon as he arrived separately at the Syrian border and headed straight back to the journalists' captors. . . .


Can't see Anything 'mysterious' there. . Philippe Brett and the French journalists left in two separate convoys, they were escorted by iraqis and the MP. Both of the convoys came under attack, six iraqis were killed, the convoy that carried the french journalists returned back, the convoy carrying Brett kept going to the Syrian border, When he arrived he knew about the mission's failure (journalists were not there/freed) so he went back again to iraq (journalists' captors).

[edit on 3-10-2004 by fanoose]