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Originally posted by FaceLikeTheSun
Originally posted by Innerlight
The state forces it's religious morality down your throat with such laws as "thou shall not steal" and "thou shall not kill". So even if you are an anti-theist who opposes such morality, you're apparantly out of luck in this oppressive theocracy.
do you think we should have the right to murder or steal if we wanted to?
Originally posted by jiggerj
Religion is SICK SICK SICK!
Originally posted by putnamcrab
reply to post by FaceLikeTheSun
Absolutely!!! You should have the free will to do what ever you want... Good people choose not to do those things! Good people do not have too be told not to do them.edit on 27-5-2012 by putnamcrab because: (no reason given)
reply to post by SaturnFX
My personal view is if a religion requires a government to push it, then the religions message is lacking... My public view is, keep religion out of public policy.
Originally posted by openyourmind1262
In a word. NO. No you do not. Religion is the monkey wrench of which the religious nutters use to konk you over the head. Keep you dazed & confused as to the real world. It's a tool of controll for the mass's. allways has been. allways will be. Other poster early in thread gave you some great advice, The Freedom From Religon Foundation.
I'm a member, will be till I die. I really like their news letter. They have a section called "The Black Collar Crime Bulletin" Goes across the country exposing gross mis-conduct and criminal activity of the " Religous Leaders" acoss the nation. Keeps you up to date on any lawsuits brought about by the Foundation, and there numerous.
Check it out, it will help you decide if you truly have"Freedom From Religion".
Originally posted by Jagermeister
All I see is contradiction. I do not see the "word of God" when I look at mainstream religion.
"Organized religion is THE deception that keeps us in fear of God and rejecting his grace. Religion keeps you from knowing God and keeps you blind as to what God is really like! Sadly, some confuse religion with Jesus, and walk away from them both, God and religion are separate entities that get intertwined together by man. ALL pagan religions are controlled by Satan! The elite created religion as a tool for control with a hidden agenda that aims to blind and misguide you away from the truth."
Religion was manufactured long ago by men who wished to control the masses. Different religions were created in different places to suit the needs and beliefs of the area, and it was intended to serve as a crutch. The leaders of these regions used religion to enslave their people, and religion continues to be such an evil. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control.
The gods that are relative to each religion are continually manufactured in the minds of those that are enslaved. The indoctrination of the masses by religion has led to a brainwashed society that is easy for the Illuminati to take control of. Every major religion in the world has been infiltrated by the Illuminati. A group that calls themselves Light Feet has installed Illuminati members in every major religion of the world. The purpose of these Light Feet is to ensure that the masses are controlled by their respective religion. Source
Originally posted by Lucius Driftwood
reply to post by SaturnFX
My personal view is if a religion requires a government to push it, then the religions message is lacking... My public view is, keep religion out of public policy.
Secular humanism is an increasingly popular religion. Maybe you disagree with that. Perhaps religion boils down to the issue of who or what you choose to worship.
You can be your own GOD. Does that help with the issue of currency that has 'In GOD we trust' printed on it?
Surely in all good conscience, you can still use that cash?
If, as you say, the majority of people (I think you were specifically referring to the US,) believe in GOD in some respect or another, then the democratic prinicipal of 'majority rules' comes into place and the logo stays on the money, surely?
Or do we start introducing mixed/ relative currencies that people are more comfortable to use?
Just a thought.
Can I go to public places and not have my children or I indoctrinated into any form?
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Jagermeister
I work part-time as a math tutor at the local college. Every day I am there I watch people who look at the lessons set in front of them with this blank expression. They do not understand. Yet, the laws of physics, based on mathematical principles, still work for them. Their cars still run; their phones still work; gravity still keeps them in their seats.
My job, of course, is to help them to understand. I think I do that pretty well. I cannot, however, help those who do not wish to be helped.
A student can come in, watch the videos, read the books, ask questions, and try to understand. That student will almost always make a good grade and leave at the end of the semester with a deeper understanding of the world around them. A student can come in, twiddle with the mouse, talk to their friends, text, and ignore the material in front of them. That student will fail, without exception, and leave at the end of the semester knowing no more than they did the first day.
Both these students can walk out to their car, turn the key, make contact between the connections, send electrical current through a circuit to energize a solenoid coil in the starter, connect more contacts, send a huge surge of electricity through the windings in the electric starter motor, induce motion from the newly-created magnetic fields, induce inertial forces from the sudden motion to move the starter gear into contact with the flywheel, transfer the rotary motion to the engine itself, create vertical motion in the pistons while operating the valve train, instigate fuel combustion inside the cylinders, and start the car.
Either one can do that. Physics still works for both.
But the former student can understand why the car starts. He/she can possibly repair the car should something go wrong and it not crank properly sometime. He/she can dream of and develop new and better ways to make a car start. He/she can communicate at a higher plane with a mechanic when the car needs repair. The latter student cannot.
The former student saw information to be considered and learned. The latter saw a boring book.
I know you see a boring 2000-year-old book. That's fine; just as in the case of the latter student above, that is your prerogative. That prerogative, however, does not mean that because you see it as such, it really is such, no more than the student seeing the book as irrelevant makes it irrelevant. It can be irrelevant to you, because you are free to choose your path, but it can at the same time be very relevant for others.
And just as I can tell when a student tells me math is boring and irrelevant that they will not get the lesson and will not pass, so I can tell when anyone mentions a "2000-year-old fairy-tale book" that they not only have not bothered to actually read it, but they have no understanding of what is inside it. They have made a choice, as is their right, to ignore information; everything said past that point must be taken knowing that.
Your description may be "cool" and politically popular and make you feel good about the situation, but understand what it shows to others.
TheRedneck
Originally posted by Greatest I am
But, do I have freedom from religion? Can I go to public places and not have my children or I indoctrinated into any form? ….
….So, your thoughts...do we have freedom from religion?
Originally posted by lucid eyes
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
In God We Trust wasn't put on our money until 1956, did you realize that? It wasn't on there from the very beginning, it's only been on there for the past 56 years. Now, I trust in God and it gives me some comfort in seeing it on there, but the guy standing next to me may not even believe in God. That's an example of the Government forcing religion onto him.
You'd have to be oversensitive to the point of emotional illness to feel offended or "forced upon" by mere words, such as "in God we trust". Thats the whole problem with your side of the table. You believe that mere thoughts and words voiced by someone else imposes on you or that you are "forced" to Religion by others words. Thats why your attitude would ultimately end in thought-police / totalitarianism. Wait...it already has in some countries.
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Originally posted by lucid eyes
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
In God We Trust wasn't put on our money until 1956, did you realize that? It wasn't on there from the very beginning, it's only been on there for the past 56 years. Now, I trust in God and it gives me some comfort in seeing it on there, but the guy standing next to me may not even believe in God. That's an example of the Government forcing religion onto him.
You'd have to be oversensitive to the point of emotional illness to feel offended or "forced upon" by mere words, such as "in God we trust". Thats the whole problem with your side of the table. You believe that mere thoughts and words voiced by someone else imposes on you or that you are "forced" to Religion by others words. Thats why your attitude would ultimately end in thought-police / totalitarianism. Wait...it already has in some countries.
You're not getting it sweetie. If it's done by a private party, fine. If it's done by the Government, NOT fine.
10 or 20 years from now when Islam is the religion of the majority instead of Christianity, do you want the government putting "In Allah We Trust" on the money? Would you feel offended, as a Christian? I bet you would. I don't want that on our money, I don't want the Koran read from every morning at schools, I don't it posted in our courthouses and unless I'm willing to demand a separation of church and state when I'm in the majority, I'll have no right to do it when I'm in the minority.
NO RELIGION from the government. PERIOD. Free religion to all citizens. I'm not going to have my Christian beliefs infringed upon by the government in 10 years just because the majority of the population is no longer Christian. Understand?
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
You're not getting it sweetie. If it's done by a private party, fine. If it's done by the Government, NOT fine.
10 or 20 years from now when Islam is the religion of the majority instead of Christianity, do you want the government putting "In Allah We Trust" on the money? Would you feel offended, as a Christian? I bet you would. I don't want that on our money, I don't want the Koran read from every morning at schools, I don't it posted in our courthouses and unless I'm willing to demand a separation of church and state when I'm in the majority, I'll have no right to do it when I'm in the minority.
NO RELIGION from the government. PERIOD. Free religion to all citizens. I'm not going to have my Christian beliefs infringed upon by the government in 10 years just because the majority of the population is no longer Christian. Understand?