The world is a loaded gun, page 1


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Topic started on 22-5-2012 @ 05:52 PM by Drew99GT
I am convinced that a world collapse has begun people. Hear me out on this, and my god in heaven, I hope I'm wrong. Whether you agree with the merits of capitalism or socialism, or ANYTHING, the laws of nature, which in essence, is the laws of the market and therefore math, always dictates.

First, lets look at Europe. Europe is [SNIP]. Greece is exiting the Euro, and as other countries exit the Euro, the old bitter ethnic rivalries in Europe will heat up as the less prosperous countries in Europe give Germany the middle finger, and vice versa. The more things change, the more they stay the same, and these ethnic rivalries have been happening for THOUSANDS OF YEARS and they result in war. It always happens, and always will.

At the Camp David G8 meeting last weekend, lip service was paid to keeping Greece in the euro zone. But economists who watch the continuing financial crisis in Europe are increasingly coming to two conclusions: Greece is likely to abandon the common euro currency now used by 17 European countries. And when it does, perhaps within a matter of months, there will be a damaging domino effect throughout much of Europe.


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Second, China is slowing. Dramatically. Japan is also screwed in many ways, financially and energy wise from Fukushima.

online.wsj.com...

3rd, Stock markets are in the final last gasp, and Facebook will kill it.

www.marketwatch.com...

Global economy-killer? Yes, Facebook has now been added to my list of global macroeconomic triggers (deadly unpredictable Black Swans like the dot-coms in 2000, subprimes in 2008) that the denial system driving the collective brain of American investors will simply tune out, till it’s too late. Till a crash takes the economy down again. And, yes, it may take years, or trigger in 2012. We watched the same kind of buildup to the 2008 crash for a few years in advance, as credible warnings were ignored. Yes folks, Facebook is that dangerous to our economy and to the global economy.


Hear me out on this. You guys at ATS are a smart bunch. Many of us continue in absolute bedazzlement at the technological and social media explosion, and the idiocy it has produced. However, the market is telling is, we, us humans, WE DON'T NEED IT. We don't! Facebook can't exist without either charging for it or mass advertising, and it can't do both. If the stock market crashes, it will in essence be telling us that this debt based consumption over the last 30 years, that resulted in single people living in 4,000 square foot homes in neighborhoods that are in many areas, abandoned today; we all don't need 5,000 pound gas guzzling behemoths to go to the grocery store; we shouldn't be sitting in front of 70 inch plasma TVs being fed propaganda; etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. We can't exist as a species on planet Earth with this level of consumption and consumerism, and I am now firmly convinced that if we as a species don't put a stop to the stupidity, nature will. The rest of the economy is based around this failed way of existing as a species.

And finally, roughly 25% or more of the population in the developed and developing world is sitting around twittling their thumbs because they can't get jobs in the developed economy, an economy that produces crap that no one really needs to survive! And therefore, the unemployed can't get food or shelter in the currencies that denominate the west and the developing world unless it's given to them from the government. The massive civil unrest is only STARTING.

Nature and the market has a loaded gun to humanity.
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reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 06:27 PM by Drew99GT
I am so convinced of my thinking, and I have not come to these conclusions from any dreams, any aliens telling me this in the middle of the night, or from channeling any other dimensions (I think ), it's from sitting around with no job and just objectively, critically thinking about what the hell is going on. And I've also become fascinated with technical and statistical analysis of stock markets. It doesn't lie. It can't. It's math, and therefor, it is nature.

The long-term chart of the S&P 500 is showing a failed Double Top that reflects the buildup of unsustainable private sector debt between 1977 and 2007 along with the extraordinary and concerted efforts of the world’s central banks to shoulder that mountain of debt by pumping liquidity into the global financial system starting in late 2007 with such efforts continuing today. This pattern’s failure to trade to its minimum target of 425 has resulted in the strong possibility of the S&P 500 trading into a bearish Flat-Topped Broadening Top and/or a Triple Top. Either such pattern carries an equally severe downside target as the original Double Top but requires a move up to about 1550 within 12 to 24 months prior to such a potential decline might occur. In turn, these possible patterns would seem to suggest that the global economy may be about to enjoy a brief recovery prior to a severe recession or even a depression.


Peak theories

The woman who runs that website made those predictions in February and they have completely materialized. The market has statistically broken down and did not reach it's 1550 level. In the coming decade, unless something changes, the math of the US economy says the stock markets will settle at 1980s levels.
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reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 10:27 PM by bobs_uruncle
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I'd say good insight, but it's patently obvious that something has to break and we approaching that point rapidly. S&F for you because you seem pretty much right on the money. So, SHTF is pretty much a given, if not next week, next month, next year, but like you, I think it's closer rather than farther away.

The big question is, are you ready? But also;
Do you have a plan?
Do you have an escape route?
Do you know where you are going when SHTF?
Do you know how to pick a reasonable location to set up "camp?"
Do you have survival skills?
Do you know how to grow crops?
Do you know how to take care of chickens/domestic animals?
Do you know how to filter water without a bought filter?
Do you have a radiation detector and extra batteries? *
Do you have bows (crossbows, compound, recurve, etc.), silence is golden?
Would you be able to last if thrown in the woods with nothing but your clothes, a knife and a lighter?
Do you have trustworthy people that can go with you (like a doctor or dentist)?
Do you have extra food, cigarettes, alcohol, gasoline, oil, etc. to trade?

* I ask this question because if and when SHTF, Fukushima will probably be allowed to go critical which will result in massive amounts of radiation exposure worldwide.

But anyway, these are rhetorical questions, I don't want answers, that's your business. If you have the skills and can last 60 days in the woods with literally nothing but the clothes on your back and a knife, chances are you can last the rest of your life if you stay hidden. Which gives you time to build a structure, grow food, hunt and fish for meat, scavenge for other supplies like generators, pumps, lights and wire.

Personally, I think it's going to get very rude and very wet 'n messy in short order, if and when SHTF. Grocery stores will be cleared in a day, maybe even hours. Gas pumps will dry up in a week, maybe less. All energy and food commodities will come under the control of your respective (dis-respective) government. If they see you where you shouldn't be, they will shoot to kill. Chances are the government in any country will use coalition forces from multiple countries to remove the stigma of "shooting your own."

But let's see what happens, hope for the best, prepare for the worst ;-) No sense in jumping the gun. If you are in an urban area, you'll have maybe 6 hours to get out once things start getting "itchy." If you are rural more like 24 hours. Talking control of the population will happen quite quickly in urban areas by closing routes out of the city.

When I walked outside tonight to barbeque some very nice chicken breasts (and they were good), the world felt weird. It was unnaturally still, no birds were singing, the insects were not making noise, no one was outside that I could see anywhere and the air was heavy and unmoving. The last times I felt this way, was always before major power failures. Maybe that's all it is?

Cheers - Dave
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reply posted on 22-5-2012 @ 11:59 PM by rebellender
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Hear me out on this. You guys at ATS are a smart bunch.




I dont know about that. Half proclaim the world is going to end and the other half hope it does. Yet we mock when the 21th of May came and went throughout the years and all subsequent dates that come and go yet we still will be here.

I am staying agnostic to the Crashes and End's
and doing what I can to adapt to get through the day
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