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I don't know about any of you, but for me this is WAY WAY WAY too many lucky things to happen to be purely random events.
Originally posted by randomname
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
what is time to an immortal and supernatural being. God must look at accomplishments, not how long it takes.
time for you, is how long the earth rotates on it's axis. for God that's irrelevant.
God is a Creator. do you think michelangelo was looking at a sundial every 15 mins while he was painting the sistine chapel.
or did he just keep going until it was completed.
i bet when he finished he didn't know what year it was.
if you're immortal, time doesn't exist because there's nothing to measure against your life.
lucky there's grass and trees too, to provide us with oxygen.edit on 10-5-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)
God is a Creator. do you think michelangelo was looking at a sundial every 15 mins while he was painting the sistine chapel.
lucky there's grass and trees too, to provide us with oxygen.
Those who blindly follow the Bible or any other religion for that matter are gulliable fools who are full of fear.
My point is that if this God is all powerful, time and space and matter bend instantly to his will, he could get the final result he wanted in an instant. Why wait 14 billion years?
to those living creatures, the universe may appear to fit them perfectly (while in fact, they simply fit the universe perfectly)
I'm saying that if God can do things instantaneously then why would he do things gradually.
Why would a being of such immense and inconceivable power do things in such a way rather than just conjure the Universe wholesale with a mere thought?
If we propose a more deistic, watchmaker style, deity,
I will never believe in the gods of any religion, BUT science (of all things) offers an incredible amount of instances that point to a god of some kind
Originally posted by facelift
reply to post by jiggerj
I don't know about any of you, but for me this is WAY WAY WAY too many lucky things to happen to be purely random events.
Well, if the universe didn't harbor billions of galaxies, with billions of stars/planets emitting debris into space on a regular basis, over billions of years, I'd say you have a point...
But I can't say that...
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by InfoKartel
I'm saying that if God can do things instantaneously then why would he do things gradually.
to you it seems more logical or efficient, while it might be completely senseless to a divine being.
Caucasian-guy-with-a-beard-sitting-in-the-clouds-type-of-deity?
Originally posted by Six6Six
reply to post by jiggerj
I will never believe in the gods of any religion, BUT science (of all things) offers an incredible amount of instances that point to a god of some kind
WRONG WRONG WRONG....you are attention seeking.. "an atheist that see science as a means to proving the existence of god"
Science does NO such thing in my opinion, in fact it does the opposite. There is a scientific explanation our for everything....however, science is quite limited at the moment here on earth so we are behind from where we will be in 200 years.
NO god....NEVER....maybe there are Aliens that created us much like we study ant in an ant farm etc....I could believe that over your thread. NO flag NO star!!
Well obviously to me
Fully formed multicellular organisms are formed in Genesis without any evolutionary processes as if God just invented them out of his mind.
It is hypothetically possible for a God to create in another way but, like I said, to me it doesn't make sense for the all powerful God of classical monotheism, who could create the Universe fully formed just the way he wanted it in a mere instant, to take fourteen billion Earth years to gradually set up a Universe that looks to have formed without divine intervention of any kind.
A deistic God is a more nebulous kind of idea, the sort of God who sets the gears of the Universe spinning and then sits back to watch it work intervening almost never in his creation.
Scientifically speaking, no matter how likely creation may seem to anyone, it cannot be proven as of now, from a logical point of view.
Science does NO such thing in my opinion, in fact it does the opposite.