Originally posted by OliverNorthsCat
You're splitting hairs, and also not admitting the fact that SeekerofTruth is wrong, as proven by the verse, and simple logic, which he has ignored the last 5 pages - NOT the interpretation of it's revelation by Pooya.

If you remain stubborn I guarantee this will blow up in your face and you will cause even more harm towards the perception of Muslims in this forum.

Acting shifty and underhanded is hardly the Muslim way. Keep with the stubbornness and ignorance and I'll show everyone on ATS just how shifty and underhanded you have been Jameela.

Seems to me that you think yourself as a theologian on the Islamic faith. I met your kind before on other forums.

"...you remain stubborn I guarantee this will blow up in your face..."

So what are you insinuating? Why don't you come clean and admit why you used the "blow up in your face" metaphor?

"I'll show everyone on ATS just how shifty and underhanded you have been Jameela."

You seem to be acting like a bully with a mean streak, huh? You are describing a fellow ats-er as "shifty" and "underhand". Is it because you know she is from the Middle East so foisting on her a perception you have of the people of the Middle East?

If you have a problem with Islam, how about not bullying a Muslim woman? Sometimes the misogyny can get mixed up with the bigotry.

Ok here I go, Jameela was absolutly correct.in her explanation of the word khafir and all other things about Islam.
A khafir is someone that knows the truth and hides it.
Jews and Christians are the people the Book.
The word Allah is a.combination of al=the and lah= God, so every time we say Allah we are literaly saying The God reinforcing the idea of tawhid/ the oneness and omnipotence of Allah one of the five pillars of the faith.
You will find the word Al/the in front of all 99 of the attributes/ discriptive terms for Allah to exspress His supremeness and peerlessness in these these areas, Al Rahmon/ the most grasious.
To us God dosn't have proper name like mike or johnny thus we can only use descritive terms to try to explan Him in our words.
The word god is a general term that can be applied to anything you worship like say Jesus.
To the vast majority of Cristianity Jesus is God apart of a trinity.
We veiw them as people who follow error, because they got duped by the leaders of their faiths with manipulation of their teaching and.the Book.
So they are considered ignorent, witch simply means to not know something, not knowingly hiding the truth/khafir.
I highly respect her and I am troubled by the news of this pm about hidng your Muslim identity,butt until youproduce proof i can't believe it.
If it is true, then where's mine Jameela?
Am I not Muslimy enough?( ;

Originally posted by Down4Whateva
Ok here I go, Jameela was absolutly correct.in her explanation of the word khafir and all other things about Islam.
A khafir is someone that knows the truth and hides it.
Jews and Christians are the people of the Book.
I highly respect her and I am troubled by the news of this pm about hideing your Muslim identity,butt until you produce proof i can't believe it.
If it is true, then where's mine Jameela?
Am I not Muslimy enough?( ;

Allow me to explain

Getting rid of anyone who can defend the Islamic faith is the name of the game for a handful of people on this site

Therefore when that poster used the word 'munafiq' a decidedly Arabic word that Muslims use, I messaged him thinking he might be a Muslim who did not want anyone to know he was and I told him if he did not want people to believe he was Muslim then perhaps he might like to edit the post....

I do not see this as being shifty in some way....I figure not everyone on this board cares to announce their faith so they will have to defend said faith constantly instead of contributing to other threads they are more interested in contributing to. As it seems the case for anyone who announces they are Muslim on these boards.

Being an advocate of personal privacy is not 'shifty'...lol


That said, if you say the shahadah you are 'muslimy' enough...I simply have had no cause to speak to you, as it is not my habit to speak to people for no reason.

Also to Add:

I want to clarify, that a kafir is one who covers up, and also obstinately rejects, the truth. But it is important to realize, that one must have a full and complete knowledge before they can reject anything, this is why it refers as much to people of the Muslim faith than anyone, even though it can refer to others who have full knowledge of Islam.

It must be noted that Ibless (la) was called a kafir in the Quran, he knew the truth, knew all about Allah, even worshiped Allah for thousands of years among the angels, yet is called kafir for his rejection of Allah's commands...

this shows one must have knowledge to be considered a kafir.

Someone who is simply ignorant of Islam can never be a kafir and is never referred to as a kafir in the Holy Quran. Christians are referred to as Ahl al Kitab 54 times in the Quran, and Ahl al Injeel once. There were some Christians even then who had taken Jesus (as) as a God, but Allah does not separate or differentiate those people from the Ahl al Kitab, therefore, we must believe in the words of Allah, and not our own suppositions concerning these matters.

I prefer Allah's words over my own thoughts, and so do the majority of the Muslims. There are Muslims out there who are confused, and do not know well the religion or the Book, but these are not the majority, they are but a tiny minority in Islam.

Originally posted by racasan
then it’s a different Allah - right?

Only if Christians do not worship the God of Prophet Adam (as), the Prophet Noah (as) and the Prophet Abraham (as), if Christians do, however, worship the God of these Prophets (as) then it is the same God and you are only confused as to what that God consists of (according to the Islamic faith), because that is precisely the God Muslims worship, ie: The God of Abraham (as) Noah (as) and Adam (as)....


It is all a matter of description we describe Allah in the same manner as the old testament, and the same manner that Jesus did[ (see Mark 12:29-34 for Jesus' (as) own words)

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by racasan

I don’t think Catholics pray to Allah?

The word Allah is the Arabic word for God, in Arabic speaking countries in the Christian churches the Christians say Allah and not God because they are Arabic speaking and not English speaking. Different language, not a different God.

Actually Allah is a different god, the pre-Islamic moon god.

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by racasan

I don’t think Catholics pray to Allah?

The word Allah is the Arabic word for God, in Arabic speaking countries in the Christian churches the Christians say Allah and not God because they are Arabic speaking and not English speaking. Different language, not a different God.

Actually Allah is a different god, the pre-Islamic moon god.

edit on 5/12/2012 by bl4ke360 because: (no reason given)

You have just insulted and accused every Arabic speaking Christian and Jew, and called them pagan worshipers. I linked to the Bible in Arabic, is shows you that the Arabic bible calls God Allah.

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by racasan

I don’t think Catholics pray to Allah?

The word Allah is the Arabic word for God, in Arabic speaking countries in the Christian churches the Christians say Allah and not God because they are Arabic speaking and not English speaking. Different language, not a different God.

Actually Allah is a different god, the pre-Islamic moon god.

edit on 5/12/2012 by bl4ke360 because: (no reason given)

You have just insulted and accused every Arabic speaking Christian and Jew, and called them pagan worshipers. I linked to the Bible in Arabic, is shows you that the Arabic bible calls God Allah.

No I just said Allah of the Islamic religion is not the same god regardless of the translation of the word Allah to english.