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NBC's Ann Curry Rants: It's 'Fundamentally Unfair' Some Have More Money Than Others

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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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Imagine that .. someone at NBC espousing theft from the productive and is pushing marxist 'values'
.. whoda' thunk it?


Seriously ... She needs a course in economics AND she needs to understand the simple
fact that life is not fair to anyone ... anywhere. That, and she needs to get it through her head
that she is not entitled to STEAL from others simply because she's jealous or greedy.


Originally posted by InfoKartel
Tell me, when you're digging ditches for one cent a month for twenty years of your life. How exactly is it fair, in the literal sense of the word, if someone else either gets more for the same job elsewhere or in the same place?

1 - Different jobs pay different rates depending on the amount of mental work or the amount of training/specialized education that needs to go into obtaining that skill. And because of the flow of economics and cost of living, different parts of the country cost more to live in than others and therefore wages will be higher in those parts than in others. A person making $50,000 a year will live comfortably in the middle of nowhere Alabama, but would be hard up in NYC.

2 - No one in the USA gets one cent a month for 20 years for digging ditches.
That's an extreme statement.


Originally posted by InfoKartel
From the moment that people think...this is MY talent, MY looks, MY abilities...they lose sight. Did those talents come from you and only you? I don't think so.

backatchya - From the moment that people think...this is MY money, MY right to take it, MY ...they lose sight. Did those talents and skills to earn the money you want come from you and only you? I don't think so. It came from the hard work and dedication of others and you want to leech off of the profits from the hard work and dedication others have put into earning money.

So we should all embrace a 'BRAVE NEW WORLD', eh? Everyone lives for everyone else?
When all you do is live for everyone else you lose yourself.
And you become a slave to the state and everyone else.


Did you teach yourself those abilities? Did they magically appear to you?

People go to school or work hard to earn money. It doesn't magically appear.
Someone earns it. You have no right to be a thief and take from them what they have earned.
That is what is SELFISH.



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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:21 AM
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Not really. There are a lot of private charities and organizations that help people in need.

Or there are businesses like Path to Peace who HELP people get access to western markets. Westerners can buy an authentic hand woven Rwandan basket and in return the women get the proceeds.





No one has to take anyone from anything, a lot of people volunteer to help others. Lawyers go pro-bono over certain cases, designers make free logos for non-profit organizations, dentists/doctors give discounted rates to people with lower incomes. Nothing has to be taken from anyone..


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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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You're absolutely right.

And based on your post, there'd be no need for socialism, communism, marxism, totalitarianism.

Because people do give freely.

Nothing has to be taken.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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Did you not watch the clip? She didn't say anything about taking anything from anyone.

I didn't know talking about potential unfairness in society made someone a Marxist



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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It isn't 'balance' to steal from the productive to reward the unproductive.
It's just theft. Pure and simple theft.

If the productive want to give their money away to the unproductive ... charity .. that's one thing. But to just steal it from them simply because they were smarter, or more clever, or understood finances better and therefore made more money .. that's not 'balance', it's just THEFT.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Ann Curry didn't say anything about forcing people give anyone anything. She said it was unfair, then you started going on some rant about progressives wanting to redistribute wealth.



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Yup!
Though not a rant but an interpretation on what progs consider "fair".

How else would this pathetic ideology enact their "fairness" regime?
Simple.

By taking from those that have, and mete it out to those who don't.


Then you just contradict yourself. You assume that if someone talks about fairness they are trying to redistribute wealth.


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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
She didn't say anything about taking anything from anyone.

Considering that shes been a vocal Obama supporter and considering it's NBC which espouses 'wealth redistribution' and considering the track record of her and those she was with and considering the words themselves .. it's easy to see where she was going with it. The EXACT WORDS were not spoken ... but it sure can be gleened from this and other things that have been said at NBC by her and others.

So it's 'fundamentally unfair' (according to her) that some have more money than others.
What's the solution to this 'unfairness'? "Wealth redistribution"??
(AKA - theft from those that have it in the name of those who don't have it.)

Although, to her credit, she defended Romney making money a few months back and said 'isn't that the American dream?' I wonder if she was sucking up to those who pay her big paycheck at (far left wing NBC) and saying what she thinks they want to hear in regards to some people having more money than others. We probably will never know ...


ETA ..... RealSpoke .. I was more commenting on InfoKartels comments than hers ....
HE went to 'wealth redistribution' ...
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:34 AM
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1 - Different jobs pay different rates depending on the amount of mental work or the amount of training/specialized education that needs to go into obtaining that skill. And because of the flow of economics and cost of living, different parts of the country cost more to live in than others and therefore wages will be higher in those parts than in others. A person making $50,000 a year will live comfortably in the middle of nowhere Alabama, but would be hard up in NYC.


REALLY? ARE YOU SERIOUS? OH MY GOD I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT. (that's sarcasm by the by)


2 - No one in the USA gets one cent a month for 20 years for digging ditches.
That's an extreme statement.


How about retaining to the planet and not only "your part of the field", as this is not a USA exclusive board. Superiority complex much?


backatchya - From the moment that people think...this is MY money, MY right to take it, MY ...they lose sight. Did those talents and skills to earn the money you want come from you and only you? I don't think so. It came from the hard work and dedication of others and you want to leech off of the profits from the hard work and dedication others have put into earning money.


You don't understand the point I made. Beside that, I don't think you understand money either. If you did, you could tell us how those billions in bail outs went to the people who worked very hard for the dollars. Correct?


So we should all embrace a 'BRAVE NEW WORLD', eh? Everyone lives for everyone else?
When all you do is live for everyone else you lose yourself.
And you become a slave to the state and everyone else.


No, you still don't understand the point being made. Conversely, lets look at your country, where people have had decades now, to live for themselves. How are the family ties between people? Is there even a speck of culture left or is it just consumerism? Be honest, if not with us then at least with yourself.


People go to school or work hard to earn money. It doesn't magically appear.
Someone earns it. You have no right to be a thief and take from them what they have earned.


You are a sheltered individual. Pray that God will keep you and your kids ignorant of the real world out there. That, and I wonder how you feel about taxes.


That is what is SELFISH.


What is selfish is to cling to an extreme of a spectrum and only discuss the other extreme of the spectrum. Forgetting all that is between.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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Then you just contradict yourself. You assume that if someone talks about fairness they are trying to redistribute wealth.


Of course he does. That's how he's been programmed. Can you imagine how much miscommunication this person must go through in their daily life?



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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Why assume that rich people are more productive? Mitt Romney got rich off destroying corporations. George Bush Jr. ran multiple oil companies that failed. A bunch of bankers are rich off tax payer bail out money via bonuses. A bunch of bankers got rich off selling bad loans that destroyed the housing market. Or a patent troll, make millions off destroying small businesses with frivolous patents.



Net worth doesn't correlate to being a productive member of society.




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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
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Then you just contradict yourself. You assume that if someone talks about fairness they are trying to redistribute wealth.


Of course he does. That's how he's been programmed. Can you imagine how much miscommunication this person must go through in their daily life?


Oh can the kaka. Both of you! When a leftist starts in about "fairness" it can only mean wealth redistribution.

You comments are disingenuous at best, or plain lying at worst.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
How about retaining to the planet and not only "your part of the field", as this is not a USA exclusive board.

You wrote in all caps (yelling) sarcastically that you knew the answer to that ... but then just post this.
AGAIN - economics in different parts of the world pay differently because of the cost of living. Cities cost more than rural areas. America costs more to live in than the plains of Africa. It's all free flow economics. An internet discussion board isn't the place to learn about it so I suggest you take a basic economics college course at your local community college. that will help you understand.


Superiority complex much?

Off topic ... personal insult ... deflection ... and just plain wrong.

I don't think you understand money either

Apparently I understand better than you do.


how those billions in bail outs went to the people who worked very hard for the dollars.

The bailouts are SOCIALISM and not part of a free-market economic system. Bailouts are the 'spread the wealth' bunk on a large scale. They didn't work, did they?


How are the family ties between people? Is there even a speck of culture left or is it just consumerism?

- Family ties depends on the family. And by bringing it up aren't you pushing your moral values onto others? Isn't that something the left screams that the right is doing when it comes to abortion? Yep.
- Consumerism is not necessarily an evil thing. A free market keeps the world economy flowing and people have a right to purchase what they want with the money they have.


You are a sheltered individual.

Um ... no.

That, and I wonder how you feel about taxes.

Some taxes are needed in a society. For roads, schools, etc. On the other hand, the government should not over-tax and waste money like it is. There is no need to be spending billions of $$ in 'aid' to Pakistan or Egypt. There is no need to be spending billions of $$ on a non-war war in Libya and Syria. There is no need to create a cradle to grave nanny state (which never works) when the CULTURE of America (which you brought up) is one of self reliance and a hard work ethic.


What is selfish is to cling to an extreme of a spectrum and only discuss the other extreme of the spectrum. Forgetting all that is between.

like what you are doing, right?
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by RealSpoke
 



Then you just contradict yourself. You assume that if someone talks about fairness they are trying to redistribute wealth.


Of course he does. That's how he's been programmed. Can you imagine how much miscommunication this person must go through in their daily life?


Oh can the kaka. Both of you! When a leftist starts in about "fairness" it can only mean wealth redistribution.

You comments are disingenuous at best, or plain lying at worst.



"miscommunication" You're experiencing it right now.

I've refrained from political labels but obviously, you're really fond of them. I made my point, hope you can be content about yours.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by InfoKartel
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Then you just contradict yourself. You assume that if someone talks about fairness they are trying to redistribute wealth.


Of course he does. That's how he's been programmed. Can you imagine how much miscommunication this person must go through in their daily life?


Oh can the kaka. Both of you! When a leftist starts in about "fairness" it can only mean wealth redistribution.

You comments are disingenuous at best, or plain lying at worst.



"miscommunication" You're experiencing it right now.

I've refrained from political labels but obviously, you're really fond of them. I made my point, hope you can be content about yours.


You're more than welcome to talk, to "hint" around the issue.

If it quacks, swims, poops like a duck, I ain't gonna call it a ferret.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:55 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
Net worth doesn't correlate to being a productive member of society.

Investing money is being productive. Being rich and spending money is being productive ... you spend $$ which pays for others to do work or make products which keeps the economy moving. As far as Romney 'destroying companies' ... downsizing is part of a free market. So are company takeovers. It all makes for a healthier economy. (like having cancer surgery to cure cancer .. it hurts but it makes the body healthier) Bush making bad choices with money .... so what? Every single decision isn't going to yield good results. Sometimes risks must be taken in order to make money and be productive. That's just the way it works.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:02 AM
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You wrote in all caps (yelling) sarcastically that you knew the answer to that


YOU DID NOT POSE A QUESTION.

You just listed a few basic things that EVERYBODY and their grandmother knows about, then pretended that nobody knows what you listed. Sure...that's a way to win an argument



AGAIN - economics in different parts of the world pay differently because of the cost of living.


I bet you are WHOLLY ignorant about how the cost of living is tied to international business.


Off topic ... personal insult ... deflection ... and just plain wrong.


I don't think it's wrong. Everything you say has to be right but everything everyone else says is just plain wrong. Right? Well, there's your superiority complex.


Apparently I understand better than you do.


We'll see about that:



The bailouts are SOCIALISM and not part of a free-market economic system. Bailouts are the 'spread the wealth' bunk on a large scale. They didn't work, did they?


No it's not. It's the same hoarding mentality that you are playing a defender of. Where is the fairness in the bailouts? NOWHERE. It goes to the same "class" of people. It's the EXACT opposite of socialism. If you EVER thought you had a free-market economy you are COMPLETELY off track. There has always been a governing body.


- Family ties depends on the family. And by bringing it up aren't you pushing your moral values onto others? Isn't that something the left screams that the right is doing when it comes to abortion? Yep.


"Depends on the family", is that your final deflection? I'm not talking a mom dad and their kids. I'm talking an actual family. And these aren't my moral values, I don't understand how you got that twisted, they are words to highlight the difference in between reality and your perceived reality. You see, you bring in the religious argument in here. It's how you disconnected people work. There is no balance in your words.


- Consumerism is not necessarily an evil thing. A free market keeps the world economy flowing and people have a right to purchase what they want with the money they have.


Consumerism is what lead to the bail outs. The bail outs are part of that consumerism-reality. But not in yours.



Some taxes are needed in a society. For roads, schools, etc. On the other hand, the government should not over-tax and waste money like it is. There is no need to be spending billions of $$ in 'aid' to Pakistan or Egypt. There is no need to be spending billions of $$ on a non-war war in Libya and Syria. There is no need to create a cradle to grave nanny state (which never works) when the CULTURE of America (which you brought up) is one of self reliance and a hard work ethic.


And if you had any idea, any hint of dignity or respect or honor in your entire body, you would research the WHY.

Those people that got bailed out? They are the ones pulling the strings, donating to puppet regimes. Why? Because they are ensuring THEIR futures. That is EVERYTHING but fair and it is EVERYTHING but socialism.

Keep bending the world to your reality, you won't be able to do it for much longer, so enjoy while it lasts.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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We don't live in a free market at all.

You become unproductive when you hurt the economy more than you help it. Like a patent troll, they can destroy a small business that employs 100 people overnight. Wealth does not equate to productivity.



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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
You just listed a few basic things that EVERYBODY and their grandmother knows about, then pretended that nobody knows what you listed.

Oh for the love of pete .... YOU said this ... QUOTE - How exactly is it fair, in the literal sense of the word, if someone else either gets more for the same job elsewhere or in the same place? UNQUOTE. I answered that. Now you say that you already know what I posted ... but if you know it then why ask that question. Again ... the answer to YOUR question of why does someone get paid more in one place than another for the same job is what I posted. Cost of living and economics flow is different in different parts of the country (or world .. take your pick). It costs more to ship fruits and veggies far up into Alaska than to ship it to Georgia therefore the cost of living in Alaska is higher and therefore wages will be higher. The cost of living in Georgia will be less so wages will be less. AGAIN - economics in different parts of the world pay differently because of the cost of living. You say you understand this ... if you did then you wouldn't be asking that question - "How exactly is it fair, in the literal sense of the word, if someone else either gets more for the same job elsewhere or in the same place?"

Cost of living. Economics. Being paid more for having a higher education and more potential value for the company in the future so they want to keep you and not lose you to the competition.


Everything you say has to be right but everything everyone else says is just plain wrong. Right? Well, there's your superiority complex.

What I have posted is correct. What you are posting either doesnt make sense.
That's not a superiority complex. that's just a matter of right and wrong.

Where is the fairness in the bailouts? NOWHERE. It goes to the same "class" of people. It's the EXACT opposite of socialism.

There is no fairness in bailouts. It's spread the wealth and is not fair to those companies and stockholders that have worked hard and have made smart decisions. The government bailing out and 'owning' car companies in the USA is socialism.

- "Depends on the family", is that your final deflection?

You asked about the family unit in the USA. I answered correctly - it depends on the family.
That's not 'deflection' .. that's fact. If you want to broad brush stroke and make generalizations
about Americans based on what you think a family should be .. then that's you pushing your
moral values on others.

And these aren't my moral values,

Of course it is. You are making a value judgement about American family life and you are broad brush stroking - inferring all American families are _____ (fill in negative stereotype of choice). Congrats .. that's exactly the kind of thing the left whines about the right doing in regards to abortion.

Consumerism is what lead to the bail outs.

Consumerism is what keeps the world economy moving.
Bad financial decisions and stupidity from management is what leads to bailouts.

And if you had any idea, any hint of dignity or respect or honor in your entire body,


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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
Wealth does not equate to productivity.

Invested wealth equates to productivity.

BTW .. a person doesn't need to be productive with their money. It's THEIR money .. not yours and not mine. To take it away because some people have imposed their value judgement and said the wealthy person has 'too much' is just theft.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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shes basically right; the disparity between the have and the have not is great. especially for blacks like myself who havent been given reparations; but expected to accept the current education system and economic system as viable alternatives to years of inequality.



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