Pretty simple: Jews today (that have remained Jews and not Christians) have rejected that Jesus was their Savior.
How can any religion based on Jesus work?, page 1
reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 02:32 PM by Theangrypea
reply to post by fourthmeal
yes im not saying about jewish people im just saying that if jesus was a jew then surely all other religions that are based on jesus, then they are wrong because jesus had the correct faith-Judaism
yes im not saying about jewish people im just saying that if jesus was a jew then surely all other religions that are based on jesus, then they are wrong because jesus had the correct faith-Judaism
reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 02:33 PM by smyleegrl
reply to post by Theangrypea
Jesus was a Jew.
In the Jewish texts, a savior was foretold. Most considered this to be a military savior. So when Jesus showed up claiming to be the fulfillment of prophecy, that was the birth of Christianity.
The two religions (and Islam) share the same beginnings.
Jesus was a Jew.
In the Jewish texts, a savior was foretold. Most considered this to be a military savior. So when Jesus showed up claiming to be the fulfillment of prophecy, that was the birth of Christianity.
The two religions (and Islam) share the same beginnings.
reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 02:36 PM by fourthmeal
reply to post by Theangrypea
He was born Jewish. He claimed to be their Savior.
Thus born a new religion
He was born Jewish. He claimed to be their Savior.
Thus born a new religion
reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 02:38 PM by Akragon
reply to post by Theangrypea
Although he was born into Judism you might find that he did not follow the religion... As a matter of fact, he taught against many jewish laws....
This is my thread on the issue... www.abovetopsecret.com...
It was kinda ruined by certian religious trolls, but either way... IF you skip to page 6 you'll see what i mean...
He was born a jew... but he didn't follow the religion
Although he was born into Judism you might find that he did not follow the religion... As a matter of fact, he taught against many jewish laws....
This is my thread on the issue... www.abovetopsecret.com...
It was kinda ruined by certian religious trolls, but either way... IF you skip to page 6 you'll see what i mean...
He was born a jew... but he didn't follow the religion
reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 02:47 PM by GBP/JPY
reply to post by Theangrypea
I have your answer!!
it is written of a new covenant ...it is written of in the old books and the new testament, too! it was always meant be before time even.
what's so cool about the deal Jesus offers, it's free and instantanious.......he said that he will stand at your door and knock........in this new deal, sin doesn't come into the relationship anylonger, it is still there, sure.
If one believes Jesus, that is all we will be judged for., our sins are at the bottom of the sea and God can't see them anymore......not paraphrased
I have your answer!!
it is written of a new covenant ...it is written of in the old books and the new testament, too! it was always meant be before time even.
what's so cool about the deal Jesus offers, it's free and instantanious.......he said that he will stand at your door and knock........in this new deal, sin doesn't come into the relationship anylonger, it is still there, sure.
If one believes Jesus, that is all we will be judged for., our sins are at the bottom of the sea and God can't see them anymore......not paraphrased
edit on 24-4-2012 by GBP/JPY because: Yahushua is our new King !!
reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 02:52 PM by Akragon
reply to post by GBP/JPY
That my friend... is a load of bullshmit
Jesus isn't a free ticket to sin all you like... i would keep reading.
Me thinks you're missing something
If one believes Jesus, that is all we will be judged for., our sins are at the bottom of the sea and God can't see them anymore
That my friend... is a load of bullshmit
Jesus isn't a free ticket to sin all you like... i would keep reading.
Me thinks you're missing something
could it be a sign? reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 03:05 PM by Akragon
reply to post by Sinny
God is more then a "single entity"...
I see God as everything, without exception... Its the only logical means of understanding him... aside from his son...
And i can tell you what God isn't...
He is not an old man in the clouds waiting to spike a lightining bolt at you if you sin
God is more then a "single entity"...
I see God as everything, without exception... Its the only logical means of understanding him... aside from his son...
And i can tell you what God isn't...
He is not an old man in the clouds waiting to spike a lightining bolt at you if you sin
reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 03:09 PM by Sigismundus
reply to post by Theangrypea
Hey Thean
You wrote : QUOTE
"...Jesus was Jewish right? Then how can any religion other than Judaism be correct if Jesus was Jewish surely that means the only right religion is Judaism right? "
UNQUOTE
Well, I suppose it depends if R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (c. BCE 12 to CE 36 = Gk. Ho Iesous) had any authority or not for you personally - in other words, whom you believed the man to be.
If you believe the Greek words placed into his Greek-speaking mouth in the canoncial Gospels actually originated with him (even though he spoke early 1st century Galilean Aramaic) and that he held some kind of special spiritual authority for you, well...then in order to 'take the Yoke of the Kingdom upon your Shoulders and Follow him...' you first could NOT be divorced; and secondly you would have to give all your money away to the Ebionim ('the Poor ones', a Daviddic Messianic organisation run by his torah abiding brother Yakkov) and you would have to commit to following 'every jot and tittle of the Torah of Mosheh' in other words, you would have to turn yourself into an armed Messianic 1st Century Jihadist Jew (like the author of the so-called Book of Revelation, who wanted all males in his army of 144,000 to be 'virgins undefiled by the filfth of the female' to go out and fight a Final Holy War (ala Bin Laden !) against the ritually abominable-unclean goyim (gentiles) whom they wished to be destroyed and totally left out of the New Yerushalayim which was supposed to fall down from the sky) 'for the elect of the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel' to live for 1000 generations. etc.
(read the 1st canonical Greek council approved Gospel - according to 'Matthew' whoever he was - chapter 15: verse 12-25 where a SyroPhonecian Gentile Female is told off to her face by the Daviddiv Pretender-Zionist Juhadist Rebbe himself : 'Lady the Bar Enasha ('son of man' see Dan 7:13) was sent ONLY (Gk. eutheos) to the Lost Sheep of the Elect of the House of Yisroel...and anyway, since when would it be right to take the children's bread out of their mouths and throw it away to the DOGS (the 1st century Judaean word for 'gentiles' according to the Dead Sea Scrolls !) under the table? !!"
But if R. Yehoshua bar Yosef means nothing more to you than an executed Daviddic Pretender & Armed Galilean Insurrectionist-Seditionist who armed his disciples with REAL swords (see the 3rd canonical Greek council approved gospel - according to Luke, whoever he was - chapter 22:30-37 - during the 100th anniversary of the invasion of the Romans under General Pompey in 63 BCE into Judaea (when The Insurrection took place on Pesach, 36 CE - note the term used as 'THE Insurrection' - at least if you believe the 2nd Canonical Greek Council Approved Gospel ('according to Mark' whoever he was) see Mk. 15:1-5 for the weird language used to describe this rebellion--then becoming a Messianist Jew thinking you are living in the Last Days when the goyim will be overthrown -- would be quite pointless.
Why would ANYONE want to join ANY religion that overtly hates (can you say AMALEKITE ?) and wants dead 99.999 percent of the rest of the world by calling themselves the Chosen People (or 'elect' ones) who are loved by their own vicious clan-god whose priests said it was OK to 'exterminate them all, leave nothing alive that breathes...genocide every one showing no mercy to them - including men, women, children and Animals ?? !!
Hey Thean
You wrote : QUOTE
"...Jesus was Jewish right? Then how can any religion other than Judaism be correct if Jesus was Jewish surely that means the only right religion is Judaism right? "
UNQUOTE
Well, I suppose it depends if R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (c. BCE 12 to CE 36 = Gk. Ho Iesous) had any authority or not for you personally - in other words, whom you believed the man to be.
If you believe the Greek words placed into his Greek-speaking mouth in the canoncial Gospels actually originated with him (even though he spoke early 1st century Galilean Aramaic) and that he held some kind of special spiritual authority for you, well...then in order to 'take the Yoke of the Kingdom upon your Shoulders and Follow him...' you first could NOT be divorced; and secondly you would have to give all your money away to the Ebionim ('the Poor ones', a Daviddic Messianic organisation run by his torah abiding brother Yakkov) and you would have to commit to following 'every jot and tittle of the Torah of Mosheh' in other words, you would have to turn yourself into an armed Messianic 1st Century Jihadist Jew (like the author of the so-called Book of Revelation, who wanted all males in his army of 144,000 to be 'virgins undefiled by the filfth of the female' to go out and fight a Final Holy War (ala Bin Laden !) against the ritually abominable-unclean goyim (gentiles) whom they wished to be destroyed and totally left out of the New Yerushalayim which was supposed to fall down from the sky) 'for the elect of the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel' to live for 1000 generations. etc.
(read the 1st canonical Greek council approved Gospel - according to 'Matthew' whoever he was - chapter 15: verse 12-25 where a SyroPhonecian Gentile Female is told off to her face by the Daviddiv Pretender-Zionist Juhadist Rebbe himself : 'Lady the Bar Enasha ('son of man' see Dan 7:13) was sent ONLY (Gk. eutheos) to the Lost Sheep of the Elect of the House of Yisroel...and anyway, since when would it be right to take the children's bread out of their mouths and throw it away to the DOGS (the 1st century Judaean word for 'gentiles' according to the Dead Sea Scrolls !) under the table? !!"
But if R. Yehoshua bar Yosef means nothing more to you than an executed Daviddic Pretender & Armed Galilean Insurrectionist-Seditionist who armed his disciples with REAL swords (see the 3rd canonical Greek council approved gospel - according to Luke, whoever he was - chapter 22:30-37 - during the 100th anniversary of the invasion of the Romans under General Pompey in 63 BCE into Judaea (when The Insurrection took place on Pesach, 36 CE - note the term used as 'THE Insurrection' - at least if you believe the 2nd Canonical Greek Council Approved Gospel ('according to Mark' whoever he was) see Mk. 15:1-5 for the weird language used to describe this rebellion--then becoming a Messianist Jew thinking you are living in the Last Days when the goyim will be overthrown -- would be quite pointless.
Why would ANYONE want to join ANY religion that overtly hates (can you say AMALEKITE ?) and wants dead 99.999 percent of the rest of the world by calling themselves the Chosen People (or 'elect' ones) who are loved by their own vicious clan-god whose priests said it was OK to 'exterminate them all, leave nothing alive that breathes...genocide every one showing no mercy to them - including men, women, children and Animals ?? !!
reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 03:09 PM by Sigismundus
reply to post by Theangrypea
Hey Thean---
Interesting thoughts....
You wrote : QUOTE
"...Jesus was Jewish right? Then how can any religion other than Judaism be correct if Jesus was Jewish surely that means the only right religion is Judaism right? "
UNQUOTE
Well, I suppose it depends if R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (c. BCE 12 to CE 36 = Gk. Ho Iesous) had any authority or not for you personally - in other words, whom you believed the man to be.
If you believe the Greek words placed into his Greek-speaking mouth in the canoncial Gospels actually originated with him (even though he spoke early 1st century Galilean Aramaic) and that he held some kind of special spiritual authority for you, well...then in order to 'take the Yoke of the Kingdom upon your Shoulders and Follow him...' you first could NOT be divorced; and secondly you would have to give all your money away to the Ebionim ('the Poor ones', a Daviddic Messianic organisation run by his torah abiding brother Yakkov 'the Righteous Priest') and you would have to commit to following 'every jot and tittle of the Torah of Mosheh' in other words, you would have to turn yourself into an armed Messianic 1st Century Jihadist Jew (like the author of the so-called Book of Revelation, who wanted all males in his army of 144,000 to be 'virgins undefiled by the filfth of the female' to go out and fight a Final Holy War (ala Bin Laden !) against the ritually abominable-unclean goyim (gentiles) whom they wished to be destroyed and totally left out of the New Yerushalayim which was supposed to fall down from the sky) 'for the elect of the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel' to live for 1000 generations. etc.
(read the 1st canonical Greek council approved Gospel - according to 'Matthew' whoever he was - chapter 15: verse 12-25 where a SyroPhonecian Gentile Female is told off to her face by the Daviddic Pretender-Zionist Jihadist Rebbe himself :
'Lady the Bar Enasha ('son of man' see Dan 7:13) was sent ONLY (Gk. eutheos) to the Lost Sheep of the Elect of the House of Yisroel...and anyway, since when would it be right to take the children's bread out of their mouths and throw it away to the DOGS (the 1st century Judaean word for 'gentiles' according to the Dead Sea Scrolls !) under the table? !!"
Or this gem:
"Do you imagine the Bar Enasha ('son of man') was sent to the Land of Yisro'el to bring Peace? By no means ! The Bar enasha was sent to the Land of Yisro'el NOT to bring Peace, but to bring a Sword - he was sent NOT to bring Harmony, but to bring Division ! He was sent to set mother against daughter and son against father and son in law against father in law and daughter in law against mother in law - so that a man's enemies be they among his own household !!"
or other such violent zionist-jihadist language extracted midrashicallty from the Aramaic targum of the prophet Micah 7:6 or not !!
But if R. Yehoshua bar Yosef means nothing more to you than an executed Daviddic Pretender & Armed Galilean Insurrectionist-Seditionist who armed his disciples with REAL swords (see the 3rd canonical Greek council approved gospel - according to Luke, whoever he was - chapter 22:30-37 - during the 100th anniversary of the invasion of the Romans under General Pompey in 63 BCE into Judaea (when The Insurrection took place on Pesach, 36 CE - note the term used as 'THE Insurrection' - at least if you believe the 2nd Canonical Greek Council Approved Gospel ('according to Mark' whoever he was) see Mk. 15:1-5 for the weird language used to describe this rebellion--then becoming a Messianist Jew thinking you are living in the Last Days when the goyim will be overthrown -- would be quite pointless.
Why would ANYONE want to join ANY religion that overtly hates (can you say AMALEKITE ?) and wants dead 99.999 percent of the rest of the world by calling themselves the Chosen People (or 'elect' ones) who are loved by their own vicious clan-god whose priests said it was OK to 'exterminate them all, leave nothing alive that breathes...genocide every one showing no mercy to them - including men, women, children and Animals ?? !!
So basically, the fact that R. Yehoshua bar Yosef was a Daviddic Jew of the 1st century should have little to do with anyone out here in the west who tend no longer to believe in flat earths with 'hardened-domes'above them, or talking donkeys or talking snakes or virgin births for that matter !
Hey Thean---
Interesting thoughts....
You wrote : QUOTE
"...Jesus was Jewish right? Then how can any religion other than Judaism be correct if Jesus was Jewish surely that means the only right religion is Judaism right? "
UNQUOTE
Well, I suppose it depends if R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (c. BCE 12 to CE 36 = Gk. Ho Iesous) had any authority or not for you personally - in other words, whom you believed the man to be.
If you believe the Greek words placed into his Greek-speaking mouth in the canoncial Gospels actually originated with him (even though he spoke early 1st century Galilean Aramaic) and that he held some kind of special spiritual authority for you, well...then in order to 'take the Yoke of the Kingdom upon your Shoulders and Follow him...' you first could NOT be divorced; and secondly you would have to give all your money away to the Ebionim ('the Poor ones', a Daviddic Messianic organisation run by his torah abiding brother Yakkov 'the Righteous Priest') and you would have to commit to following 'every jot and tittle of the Torah of Mosheh' in other words, you would have to turn yourself into an armed Messianic 1st Century Jihadist Jew (like the author of the so-called Book of Revelation, who wanted all males in his army of 144,000 to be 'virgins undefiled by the filfth of the female' to go out and fight a Final Holy War (ala Bin Laden !) against the ritually abominable-unclean goyim (gentiles) whom they wished to be destroyed and totally left out of the New Yerushalayim which was supposed to fall down from the sky) 'for the elect of the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel' to live for 1000 generations. etc.
(read the 1st canonical Greek council approved Gospel - according to 'Matthew' whoever he was - chapter 15: verse 12-25 where a SyroPhonecian Gentile Female is told off to her face by the Daviddic Pretender-Zionist Jihadist Rebbe himself :
'Lady the Bar Enasha ('son of man' see Dan 7:13) was sent ONLY (Gk. eutheos) to the Lost Sheep of the Elect of the House of Yisroel...and anyway, since when would it be right to take the children's bread out of their mouths and throw it away to the DOGS (the 1st century Judaean word for 'gentiles' according to the Dead Sea Scrolls !) under the table? !!"
Or this gem:
"Do you imagine the Bar Enasha ('son of man') was sent to the Land of Yisro'el to bring Peace? By no means ! The Bar enasha was sent to the Land of Yisro'el NOT to bring Peace, but to bring a Sword - he was sent NOT to bring Harmony, but to bring Division ! He was sent to set mother against daughter and son against father and son in law against father in law and daughter in law against mother in law - so that a man's enemies be they among his own household !!"
or other such violent zionist-jihadist language extracted midrashicallty from the Aramaic targum of the prophet Micah 7:6 or not !!
But if R. Yehoshua bar Yosef means nothing more to you than an executed Daviddic Pretender & Armed Galilean Insurrectionist-Seditionist who armed his disciples with REAL swords (see the 3rd canonical Greek council approved gospel - according to Luke, whoever he was - chapter 22:30-37 - during the 100th anniversary of the invasion of the Romans under General Pompey in 63 BCE into Judaea (when The Insurrection took place on Pesach, 36 CE - note the term used as 'THE Insurrection' - at least if you believe the 2nd Canonical Greek Council Approved Gospel ('according to Mark' whoever he was) see Mk. 15:1-5 for the weird language used to describe this rebellion--then becoming a Messianist Jew thinking you are living in the Last Days when the goyim will be overthrown -- would be quite pointless.
Why would ANYONE want to join ANY religion that overtly hates (can you say AMALEKITE ?) and wants dead 99.999 percent of the rest of the world by calling themselves the Chosen People (or 'elect' ones) who are loved by their own vicious clan-god whose priests said it was OK to 'exterminate them all, leave nothing alive that breathes...genocide every one showing no mercy to them - including men, women, children and Animals ?? !!
So basically, the fact that R. Yehoshua bar Yosef was a Daviddic Jew of the 1st century should have little to do with anyone out here in the west who tend no longer to believe in flat earths with 'hardened-domes'above them, or talking donkeys or talking snakes or virgin births for that matter !
edit on 24-4-2012 by Sigismundus because: stuttering commptuerrrrr
reply posted on 24-4-2012 @ 03:09 PM by mikesk8s247
reply to post by Sinny
God is Three Holy Persons in One. Do not call it good luck, but Good Spirit! Good News! The Father loves you and all people but He wants your love in Him to be closer. To be closer to the Father get to know the Son Whom He has sent. The Father is pleased with His Son and has made His Word the Gate to the Kingdom called Heaven. Once you become acquainted with the Word you will understand spiritual Words better, and you will come to know the so Holy Ghost which will be growing along side of you. Oh if you only knew the Love which awaits you! You would no longer question and you would just run to It!
God is Three Holy Persons in One. Do not call it good luck, but Good Spirit! Good News! The Father loves you and all people but He wants your love in Him to be closer. To be closer to the Father get to know the Son Whom He has sent. The Father is pleased with His Son and has made His Word the Gate to the Kingdom called Heaven. Once you become acquainted with the Word you will understand spiritual Words better, and you will come to know the so Holy Ghost which will be growing along side of you. Oh if you only knew the Love which awaits you! You would no longer question and you would just run to It!
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