jobcentre conspiracy, this is getting ridiculous.

i thought that the last thread (here is a link to the other) i started about this would be the last but no, here i am again with another story of deceit from the jobcentre.
ok my last signing day also happened to be the same day i see my "advisor", we have a little conversation about how things are going and if i'm ready for my interview with a certain massive supermarket chain, yes i'm prepared and i also get a couple more jobs off of her to apply for which i did, at the end of the interview i ask my advisor will i be having another appointment with her and she answers "Yes". i then ask her how will i find out about the appointment? she replies "we will send you a letter". fine no problems i go about my business. well here we are today i've just gotten back from my massive supermarket chain interview and things are looking up, when i return home there is no mail so i decide to phone the jobcentre (i had to phone one number to then get another number to actually get the phone number of my jobcentre) just to see if my letter had been sent out or if indeed i had an appointment at all. low and behold i do have an appointment next monday, to which the woman on the end of the phone told me "you were told your appointment time at your last interview!" i apparently was given a letter then informing me of this appointment! i said i wasn't and this was the reason for phoning the jobcentre, the woman at the other end of the phone seemed to think that my advisor would not have made such a mistake! i said "will i be recieving a letter about this appointment?", "no!" was the answer. the mere fact that my appointment could have been today, yesterday or any day between signing days is proof enough for me that jobcentre is on purpose not informing people of appointments, knowing full well that when you miss 2 you will lose your money for 6 weeks!
so there you have it the jobcentre made an appointment for me that they were not going to tell me about! this is absolutely shocking behaviour, the benefits system is there to help people who are out of work, not trick them into recieving less money.

reply to post by josephamccoy


To me it sounds like a case of miscommunication, or something along those lines. I suggest not getting upset, and just go to the center in person to settle the matter. Just my advice

reply to post by Amaeus


it's happened too much for it to be miscommunication! i'm not the only one this has happened to in fact there are many many replies in the original thread i started of people with the same experience of missing appointments they didn't know they had. that is unless the whole jobcentre network has communication problems (which isn't beyond the realms of infeasability)!

I don't believe this is a conspiracy to get people off the dole. I've had too much experience with the JC. If they really wanted to get people off the dole they'd be better at their jobs.

Every job i've ever had I've found myself. They're lazy gits who make no effort, apart from checking their system everytime you're there, a system that works 10% of the time at best

I once had a big argument with them when i refused to apply for a position at a fraudalent company with a fraudalent owner (he's made national media a few times for his many business scams.) Supposedly I can't refuse to apply on moral grounds, even though they allow you to not apply for meat factories and the like if you're a vegetarian...

Incompetence is how you'd describe them

That's the most frustrating thing about the whole process, the fact most people on the dole could do their jobs better than they do. I know it irked me when I went there and talked with these imbeciles who did nothing all day

If I was you, I would get one of those mini recorders and take it with you to every appointment with them. If they ask about it, I would just tell them you have a bad memory and you don't want to make any mistakes. I bet things would improve for you.
If not, you would have proof of their incompetence.

reply to post by chiefsmom


i didn't want it to get this far but i may just do it and record the next interview, i don't want to but if it means covering my own back then i will, i just hope this job with a certain massive supermarket chain comes through and i can be back in the arms of a workplace dictatorship! fingers crossed!!

Originally posted by Amaeus
reply to post by josephamccoy

 

To me it sounds like a case of miscommunication, or something along those lines. I suggest not getting upset, and just go to the center in person to settle the matter. Just my advice

I dont think thats possible with the way they have the jobcenter set up at the moment. If you walk into the jobcenter and ask to see someone they will probably just give you a bit of paper with a phone number on and ask you to ring that and speak to someone.

reply to post by josephamccoy


recording the conversation will not bode well in my opinion.
i suggest you take pen and paper and create your own report with date, title and minutes of the meeting. then write at the bottom the advisors closing statement on contact and sign it yourself in front of the advisor. then ask the advisor to sign it as well. if this is refused, simply state that in the place of autograph, initial it and date it.
the advisor is then privy to this action whether they deny this or not. perjury comes to mind.

this mis-communication seems to be more common than i thought. i know people this has happened to and i am leaning towards a possible quota of sanctions to be satisfied. if this is the case, it is a low form of spite in my opinion and should be exposed.

best wishes fakedirt.

reply to post by josephamccoy


Dear god, unless they are offering you to be the CEO of this "massive supermarket chain" I don't know why there is a such a commotion in getting a job there...

Is this what the world has come to?

reply to post by josephamccoy


I have read BOTH your threads about the jobcentre and find it hard to believe that one person YOU could have such misfortune?

I unfortunately can not comment on the efficiency of the jobcentre staff (probably degenerate people with NO future) as I have never been into a jobcentre. However, as a very efficient human I always make sure I am aware of everything that concerns me.

YOU want the FREE money so YOU make sure you know when appointments are....after all it's because of people needing to be held by the hand that our country has a lazy and pathetic bunch of people seeking jobs.
As an adult (I presume you are) YOU need to make sure you are on top of all information.
IT doesn't not matter that you did NOT receive this so called letter, if it was me I would be in the jobcentre everyday all day check for jobs and checking for my appointments....after all, its not like you have a job to go to so you have plenty of free time. Stop blaming others for your lack of get-up-and-go.
The only person that can change your situation is YOU. not the pathetic attempt of a human that staffs these jobcentres. Stop the excuse and instead of posting complaints get down to the jobcentre and "hangout" there, you never know what job might come your way.

Yes as Fakedirt said, take a pen and paper and write it all down and get them to sign it. Every time you go into one of their offices, do the same thing. If these people had real jobs out in the normal world, they wouldnt last ten minutes. Have you seen the way they move ? Slow is an understatement. They take for ever, to do any thing. In the real world they would be sacked on the spot. But as they are paid by us, then it doesnt matter.
I have gotten into some massive arguments, with these people. One day I went to the DHSS, as I was home less and lost my job. I`d been attacked on a night out and was badly beaten up, by a load of drunken yobbos. I lost my job then my lodgings. So I went to the system, which I`d paid into. Only to be told to come back on a daily basis, to recieve just short of £3 a day.
After a week or so of this I was beginning to lose the plot. So they refused me my £3 and told me go to the local charity office.
I went out and came back with a large piece of paper. I stood in the middle of the waiting room and said to every one there. These people work for us and if any one of you think, that you have been abused or lied to. Then I want you to sign this petition. Which I shall send to my local MPs office and make a formal complaint. I shall have them dragged out of thier glass cabinets and thrown out of the building. I was surrounded by security guards at this point and I said, I am not doing any thing wrong. Im in a public building and these people are public servants. Within minutes I was getting first class treatment and was helped to find accomodation.
I think this is a scam to save money. They dont tell you the correct day and when you miss the appointment, then you are penalised for their incompetence.

At least you guys apparently Have jobs. I've been bullied and screwed all my life for one reason or another. Probably mainly because I keep my mouth shut for the most part and people tend to think of me as someone they can mess with. When people find out that I'm not religious (Atheist) they pile B.S. stories atop B.S. stories and the next thing you know they're saying I'm a devil-worshipper or generally someone who can't be trusted and should be always watched! That's the way it is in the U.S. these days.

Imagine working at a place and getting fired because Someone said you had a gun and were going to kill people there. And the next thing you know you're being escorted off the premises by armed police! I've been unemployed for over 3 Years since then. It's their way of cutting you out of unemployment benefits not to mention immediate termination of medical insurance.

And just to keep this somewhat on topic of this wonderful website, it's probably just coincidence but at the time of termination I used to study U.S. patents in my spare time in my car during breaks and lunch time. Patents of "low-profile flying craft," if you take my meaning... Just coincidence for sure, though I Did use the company's printers to produce said hardcopies.

All and all I think the bosses didn't like me because they were Mafiaesque you might say, and simply adored having their butts kissed by the lower working crews. I never bowed to them and they probably just thought they'd have a little "entertainment" at my expense. You know, get rid of a guy who worked their 5 years and shouldn't get any more raises. Replace him with cheaper labor, for what little I was paid they could probably hire two minority guys at minimum wage to do my work.

reply to post by Six6Six


first of all this post is not about me or my unemployed situation it is about the jobcentre and the conspiracy theory that they are trying to get people off the dole to make the unemployment situation look better. if you'd read the post you'd see that my "lack of get up and go" earned me a job interview (wasn't the first and if i don't get the job it won't be the last). and i don''t do it for the "free money" i do it so i can eat and keep my house warm!

I am of the belief that civil servants do not operate in the real world.
Good luck friend

Originally posted by josephamccoy
reply to post by Amaeus

 

it's happened too much for it to be miscommunication! i'm not the only one this has happened to in fact there are many many replies in the original thread i started of people with the same experience of missing appointments they didn't know they had. that is unless the whole jobcentre network has communication problems (which isn't beyond the realms of infeasability)!

Its a con playing with you because you cannot read minds. That person is intentionally curbing you so they can give the spot to another con.

They dont want monkeys working on the line anymore. Be careful, the next step is to kill you off.

Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by josephamccoy

 

recording the conversation will not bode well in my opinion.
i suggest you take pen and paper and create your own report with date, title and minutes of the meeting. then write at the bottom the advisors closing statement on contact and sign it yourself in front of the advisor. then ask the advisor to sign it as well. if this is refused, simply state that in the place of autograph, initial it and date it.
the advisor is then privy to this action whether they deny this or not. perjury comes to mind.

this mis-communication seems to be more common than i thought. i know people this has happened to and i am leaning towards a possible quota of sanctions to be satisfied. if this is the case, it is a low form of spite in my opinion and should be exposed.

best wishes fakedirt.

Im not picking on you specifically fakedirt, but I notice a pattern on this site. Someone will look for examples on how to take action on a problem in their life, and there are always posters there to tell them to "just fall in line" and not do the things that they find as solutions to the problem. Recording the interview is a perfect option. You saying that recording it wont bode well is just a fear tactic to keep this person from persuing a job.

People need to recognize the pattern of organization among people that are working together. It seems like every other post on this website is a con making a veiled threat to someone to fall in line or else someone will attack them in some way.

OP if you dont notice this now, you will soon. They are going to attack you anyway as they are trying to donimate you. Dont let them stand up for yourself. (or dont and get killed off, your choice). If someones going to stomp you out anyways, might as well make it hard for them. Look at the alternative, you do nothing, they get what they want and it empowers them to do it to the next asshole. After a while it becomes standard practice.

Its the way the devil is trying to reassimilate himself into society.

reply to post by strangedays


hello strangedays

pick away.

have you tried video recording a formal interview with a uk government official recently?
please do tell how that went.

i still await a response on the other thread from 3 days ago. i must say, i am
riddled with anticipation at the depth and consideration you may put in your reply.

regards fakedirt

btw i'm still serious about the guitar.

bbtw your reply to originally posted by boncho, reply to post by josephamccoy, is in
my opinion inflammatory and i feel, against t and c's. one better get a grip especially
with that type of reply or i suspect it's bye-bye.

bye-bye.

Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by strangedays

 

hello strangedays

pick away.

have you tried video recording a formal interview with a uk government official recently?
please do tell how that went.

i still await a response on the other thread from 3 days ago. i must say, i am
riddled with anticipation at the depth and consideration you may put in your reply.

regards fakedirt

btw i'm still serious about the guitar.

bbtw your reply to originally posted by boncho, reply to post by josephamccoy, is in
my opinion inflammatory and i feel, against t and c's. one better get a grip especially
with that type of reply or i suspect it's bye-bye.

bye-bye.

All I said was to search bonchos posts by his username to see examples of bullying. Sorry if I said something deragatory I get confused what I can and cant do when the cons can break all the rules without reprimand, so sorry if I said something slanderous or something. I wont do that again to him.

But anyways yea you did kind of put the idea in my head to go pick one up (I assume so we can play when the electric goes out). Think im going to be doing that heh.

As far as recording the people, yes I know its illegal. They do illegal stuff too that violates everyones rights daily. No reason not to fight fire with fire as long as its peaceful. Its like the cop recording scenarios-if the popo are breaking the rules, and someone videotapes them and is subsequently arrested for filming police, but then the video surfaces that teh victim was telling the truth, they usually drop the charges immediately. Thats why we have these scenarios where we find the rule-breakers are telling the truth (and whats the problem with recording to keep everyone honest?). If we stamp out that voice we usher in more corruption. But a lot of conscious people seem to want that, so maybe thats whats going to happen I dont know.

But yea if you have to try to drum up charges on someone recording a situation to keep everyone honest, you really have to ask what the prosecutors have to hide? They know they are pulling fast ones on people and violating theur rights and liberties. Thats why they have to make the law so they can keep it quiet.

I say record away, if you get in trouble make sure everyone knows about it. EVERYONE.

I been off work since october 2011 on ESA... about a month ago had my medical with ATOS... took 10 minutes, some blatanly unqualified woman asking me questions off a computer, then twisting my every reply. Said they would contact me in about a week to let me know outcome. Went to get my benefit money from the bank & discover its not paid in. After a lot of waiting on the phone they tell me the medical deemed me fit for work & they have stopped my benefits. No contact whatsoever informing me of this and now cant pay my rent. Recieved eventually the results of the medical scoring me 6 points for the one critera I can actually cope with! Am asking for a tribunal as have been for 12 hours of therapy with an NHS professional whose assesment rated me 28 out of 30 and 30 out of 35 for my condition putting me in the severe area. I am confident I will have my DWP decision overturned as 12 hours of assesments by the NHS is much more reliable than the 15 minute interview I had with ATOS. The UK job centre situation is beyond a joke now. I read recently 32 people a day have DIED because this ATOS grilling. It was really degrading and abusive situation to endure and to have my responses completely changed by some unqualified person whose only job is to trick people and eliminate the only income they have whilst ill. I understand there are people conning the system but for people who have genuine problems to be denied help when it is blindingly obvious they are genuine is a disgrace. This situation has now made me more ill and the only result it has is medical professionals now having to treat me from stress and anxiety as a direct result of the breakdown I had after discovering I had no money to pay food, bills or rent and the prospect of being made homeless with no letter of warning until nearly a month after I discovered they had stopped payments. Good job our government. I paid national insurance and tax for 10 years of a working career so far and when I need some of it back to support me temporarily whilst incapable of work I am made to feel like a scrounger and cheat. One of the advisers even had the cheek to say to me when I applied for a crisis loan that I should be thankful I was getting free money! I informed them infact it was my money I had paid for the last 10 years and I was infact have to repay it also. Something needs to be done soon about this problem. I am suprised there hasnt been more incidents like what happened on Tottenham Court Road, RIP Great Britain.