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The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel

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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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I am well aware of the tactics of you, my Zionist brethren, use to quiet anyone who attempts to expose any of your subversive acts.

If the person is a Gentile, you cry, "You're anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions.

But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics.

First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.

But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.


Source : The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel


To say this is an interesting read is an understatement. Have been reading a bit about Zionism lately and just wanted to share this, because it gives a lot of information and it's coming from an Ashkenazi Jew, so anyone hoping to pull the Anti-Semite card can basically go elsewhere with their delusions.

Don't cry at me if you don't like what you read, because this type of information is probably going to be widespread as general awareness raises, and it's raising fast.

Maybe God wants this info out there? How do you plan on stopping that then, eh?
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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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ETA:

The quoted portion you have there, you can go into just about any thread related to Israel, the ones actually trying to discuss the topics, not just pure antisemitic crap, and see that very strategy applied.

In fact, I watched it applied this morning twice, in a single thread, once by a standard user, once by a mod. OP was critical of Israel the state, the government, not "jews" but in the tone of the title, it was viewed as "obviously antisemitic" by a mod, though no posts were edited, the thread was not moderated at that point (probably is now).

The OP was one sided to say the least, but that's fine, there is always someone willing to put forth the fact that you can't look at all at Israels actions without also condemning the actions of their enemies (suggesting that if you are critical of Israel, you automatically support terrorism against them which is absurd)

Then another user actually suggested the OP supported genocide against the jews. The op was critical of Israel in relation to Palestine and Gaza, yet the user immediately made the accusation that the OP supported genocide of the entire jewish people.

This isn't addressed in that quote, but is in the book I link below. This is another tactic. No clear distinction will be made between Jewishness and Israel. As long as Israel is linked to every and all forms of Jewishness, it is free of criticism because of the antisemitic card.

For example. I hate the Nazi party. I hate the atrocities committed by them against the Jews and MILLIONS of non Jews alike. I can criticize the German government, military, Nazi party, and no one will assume that I hate Germans. Because a clear distinction is made between Germany the state, and the people who inhabit it. During the Nazi Reich, the same could be said for the Nazis, you could hate the Nazis, but this doesn't mean you hate all Germans.

But with Israel, it plays out exactly like this:

"Israel is wrong in their treatment of the people in Gaza and should be willing to do more to work towards peace."

"You hate the Jews and want them wiped off the earth."

I've literally had that said to me verbatim. It's a tactic that flows right into the antisemitic card, as long as the lines are blurred between Jewishness and Jews, and Israel, it's off limits. Where does Jewishness begin, and end? Why is it that when I criticize their government, it's considered racist because they are Jews? It has nothing to do with race or religion, or which hand they wipe their butts with.

Personally I feel, that tactic in and of itself is racist.

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you might find this book interesting:

The Wandering Who


An investigation of Jewish identity politics and Jewish contemporary ideology using both popular culture and scholarly texts. Jewish identity is tied up with some of the most difficult and contentious issues of today. The purpose in this book is to open many of these issues up for discussion. Since Israel defines itself openly as the ‘Jewish State’, we should ask what the notions of ’Judaism’, ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish culture’ and ‘Jewish ideology’ stand for. Gilad examines the tribal aspects embedded in Jewish secular discourse, both Zionist and anti Zionist; the ‘holocaust religion’; the meaning of ‘history’ and ‘time’ within the Jewish political discourse; the anti-Gentile ideologies entangled within different forms of secular Jewish political discourse and even within the Jewish left. He questions what it is that leads Diaspora Jews to identify themselves with Israel and affiliate with its politics. The devastating state of our world affairs raises an immediate demand for a conceptual shift in our intellectual and philosophical attitude towards politics, identity politics and history.





Gilad Atzmon was born in Israel in 1963 and had his musical training at the Rubin Academy of Music, Jerusalem (Composition and Jazz). As a multi-instrumentalist he plays Soprano, Alto, Tenor and Baritone Saxes, Clarinet and Flutes.

About the Author

I believe he also served in the IDF but it doesn't mention that in his bio on that site. He's no run of the mill antisemite by any measure no matter how hard they try to paint him as such.

If you are having a hard time making the distinction between Israel, Zionism, and Jews, you aren't alone, he addresses this in depth, as well as how the zionist movement has morphed into a holocaust religion.

I couldn't put it down honestly

Should also mention it's helped me put things into perspective, a lot of the things that didn't make sense to me now do if you look at it from the stand point some of the people, the ultra right wing, in Israel believe. I'm sure if we lived under the constant and perceived threat of terror, actually believed that all nations, including those we consider allies, would eventually turn against us because of their inherent racism against us, we'd probably be doing pretty much the same thing.

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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Once again, we are visited by a topic which is unusually prone to inflammatory extremes.

Bear in mind that the source is written in 1985; and nearly two decades later we are asked to review the material and apply it to today and what we believe we already know.

Keep focused on the subject matter... not posters.

We will not be plumbing the depths of civil behavior here...



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Thanks phishy and Max, will check that link soon, and yeah agreed that it's hard to even have a conversation about this without someone wading in and causing an argument. I just read through a lot of what I linked earlier and thought it was worth sharing basically, and wasn't expecting much of a conversation to be honest because I can't be doing with arguments.

To be honest I just like digging for the truth, but when you think about this scenario and politics there's probably not much further to go! It makes a lot of things click into place anyway. It's not even about regular Jewish people so much, (and when it is it's what they have to suffer as a consequence of this.) it's about a group of elite and the crap they're causing all over the place.

I suppose to dig further you'd be looking at secret societies and all the rest, and they make sure that area is so filled with disinfo that it's hard to find out what's what.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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This whole thing can be summed up in one sentence. Liars fear the investigation of the truth. I am sick and tired of people destroying their attackers characters but not arguing their attackers logic.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Once again, we are visited by a post which subtly degrades the subject by claiming that the original writing is old.

I have a friend I grew up with who now lives in Israel. The link the OP posted is as true today is it was in 1985, 27 years ago. When people in power have an agenda, and it permeates the society, nothing much changes. In fact, if anything, it has gotten worse, more ingrained, and more militant, because it is allowed to.

From The Congressional Research Service entitled U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel, by Jeremy M. Sharp
Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs
September 16, 2010:


Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having since been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance.

In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers.

In addition, all U.S. foreign assistance earmarked for Israel is delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year. Most other recipients normally receive aid in installments. Congress also appropriates funds for joint U.S.-Israeli missile defense programs.

In August 2007, the Bush Administration announced that it would increase U.S. military assistance to Israel by $6 billion over the next decade. The agreement calls for incremental annual increases in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) to Israel, reaching $3 billion a year by FY2011. For FY2011, the Obama Administration requested $3 billion in FMF to Israel.

According to the State Department’s FY2011 budget justification for Foreign Operations, “U.S. assistance will help ensure that Israel maintains its qualitative military edge over potential threats, and prevent a shift in the security balance of the region. U.S. assistance is also aimed at ensuring for Israel the security it requires to make concessions necessary for comprehensive regional peace.”

After years of negotiation, the United States and Israel announced in August 2010 that Israel will purchase 20 F-35s at a cost of $2.75 billion, which will be paid for entirely with FMF grants. The first planes are scheduled to be delivered in 2015, though the deal is still pending final approval by the Israeli cabinet.


assets.opencrs.com...

So, the aid to Israel has increased substantially over the years, and they purchase all their war machinery from us, with FMF (Foreign Military Finance) grants. They buy our stuff with money they borrow from us. They are the only country who gets their aid in one lump sum within 30 days, while every other country gets their in installments.

In essence, we fund their racist, apartheid state, and they have preferred status.

Note that in the first paragraph, the author states that after 2004, Iraq now gets more money than Israel, which is handy for Israel, since Iraq has become a broken-down puppet regime of the United States. With all the money we're bleeding out over the middle east, we're fixing to be broke ourselves. But I digress.

The problem I have with Israel, as an American citizen, has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with their being a fifth column within our own government, selling us out and getting us into wars for their own selfish reasons. We are being duped, silenced, and forced to accept this atrocity, and pay for it with our tax dollars.

Yes, ONCE AGAIN we revisit this insanity, and may we keep going back over it until enough of us are awakened to our being used, abused, and destroyed from within, by a country which hates us, but LOVES our money.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by FissionSurplus
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Once again, we are visited by a post which subtly degrades the subject by claiming that the original writing is old.


It was not my intention to denigrate or diminish the account. But to point out that we are quite late in the discussion over this specific issue.

I understand your position. But I am not one to either squelch or muffle the dialog. No member is.

Now, your post seems to bring the matter of what the political regimes do to support Israel's government despite the frequent recurrence of brutality... that is a worthy observation...

Whether I think the OP's source is dated is not.

Let's talk about the OP.. not posters who express opinions you are inclined to characterize one way or another.
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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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I think that it is interesting that although this is from 1985 the last part accuratley describes how a lot of us around here view the current situation




Israel could trigger a large scale Mideast war, a large war which Israel could not win alone. Then the New York leg of the New York/Moscow/Tel Aviv Triangle would use its influence on the U.S. Government to send U.S. military forces to aid Israel. It isn't expected that the Moscow leg of the triangle will become militarily involved. Moscow will merely sit back and let the U.S. weaken itself in helping Israel fight the Arabs. At some point during the war, when the U.S. military is deeply involved and the U.S. citizens demoralized, the Zionist oriented Jewish International Bankers will make their move. Evidence leads to the conclusion that it is these bankers who own the Class A Stock of the U.S. Federal Reserve, America's central bank. In this position of power, these Zionist bankers, can, and likely will, trigger an economic collapse in America — like they did in 1929 when they caused the stock market crash and started the severe depression of the 1930's. Since the money system currently used in the U.S. is not backed by gold, silver or anything of value, the paper dollars and tin coins now in use will be worthless. In the resulting state of confusion and in an effort to obtain food and other necessities, the American people will accept the 'New States Constitution' which has already been written. This will place the American people under the dictates of One-World Government run by the Zionist oriented International Bankers and Zionist/Bolshevik Jews.


It's possible that when the Iran war kicks off Russia will only intervene if Iran is about to fall or they may intervene from the beginning. Whether or not Russia jumps into action at the beginning of the war will be the difference between a massive regional war and WWIII in my opinion



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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From the text:


I had no emotional conflict with leaving the U.S. because I was still able to keep my U.S. citizenship and could return to the U.S. at any time. You see, Jews are allowed to be citizens of both Israel and some countries — U.S. is one of those countries. The U.S. government allows a Jew to be a citizen of both U.S. and Israel.

From the US state department:


A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

travel.state.gov...
? It changed since 1984?



The Ashkenazi Jews, who now compromise 90% of the Jews in the world, had a rather strange beginning. According to historians, many of them Jewish, the Ashkenazi Jews came into existence about 1,200 years ago. It happened this way:

Ehm , the numbers changed after WW2- as Bernstein should know. But he strangely repeats Nazi propaganda.
Right now Ashkenazi are about 80+% of Jews.
As for Khazarian theme - it is just as true. There were Jews in Europe before there were Khazars. Frank kings have laws concerning Jews. There is no proof that Judaism spread to Khazarian general population,all archeological data proves otherwise. Khazarian leaders became 90% of Jews in 1930s..... Riiight.
According to vast majority of historians ,it is not the case.


Throughout their history, these Polish and Russian Ashkenazi Jews practiced communism/socialism and worked to have their ideas implemented in these countries.

Ehm? What? Throughout the history, yup. Strangely it only starts with Marx but why ruin good case?



By the late 1800s significant numbers of these communist/socialist Jews were found in Germany, the Balkans and eventually all over Europe. Because of their interference in the social and governmental affairs of Russia, they became the target of persecution by the Czars. Because of this, migration of these communist/socialist oriented Jews began. Some went to Palestine; some to Central and South America; and a large number of them came to the U.S.

Actually the opposite is true. If one opresses the population, does not allow them to live in major cities, descriminates them - that population starts to be upset with the rule and joins the opposition. All (and i mean - all) first Russian communists were not Jews. Almost all were Russian aristocrats. Lots of Jews joined them later, when Csars plan to educate Jews outside of Judaism backfired.
First Russian Communist:
en.wikipedia.org...
Wonder and awe - not a Jew.


Sephardic Jews — Second Class Citizens

That part was true prior to late 1970s ,it slowly started to change after the Likud took over.
The reason for this is simple though. Irish got tough time in US too,because they arrived later. Then Italians had similar problems. And ctr. Every "generation" of immigrants had a tough time due to all the good places taken by "our kind of guys". After 1990s ex-Soviet predominantly Ashkenazi Jews met with similar second-class problems.


In the Zionist/communist scheme of world domination, it is Israel's role to continually stir up trouble in the Middle East. Since wars are a big part of this scheme of aggression, it is only natural that from early childhood on, Israeli youth are trained mentally and physically for war. For instance: Israel has its equivalent of Hitler's youth group. It is the Gadna; and all high school and junior high students are required to participate — boys and girls. Like Hitler's youth group, the youth in Israel's Gadna are dressed in khaki uniforms. They take training and engage in paramilitary exercises.

Ehm, i wonder why train for war in Israel?

As for "required" to go through Gadna - i do not know how it was in 1984, but nobody from my highschool class in early 90s or in university in late 90s did it. It is popular in Kibutzes and small villages though,because it allows to serve in the army together too. In big cities it is not popular at all.
Certainly not mandatory.


Like in Nazi Germany, all people in Israel are required to carry identity booklets called "Teudat Zehut" in Hebrew.

It is not a booklet, it is identification card. And yup, it is mandatory. Like in evil Belgium. Or in Zionist Czech republic. And like in dozens of other states. But objective author choose to compare it to Nazi Germany.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Regarding the tie between the elite Ashkenazi Jew and the Nazis, take a look at the word 'Ashkenazi' — look again 'Ashke-NAZI'.

Should i comment on that? Again, author is insanely objective.



Economically, Israel is bankrupt. Of course, this could have been predicted because Israel's economic structure is based on socialism.

Ehm, nope.


When Palestinian Moslems and Palestinian Jews occupied Palestine, there was a religious aura. But, Since the Zionists took over the area and set up the state of Israel, it is one of the most sinful nations in the world where only 5% of the Jews are religious. It is interesting to note that those who are strongly religious are Arab Moslems and Arab Christians who make up a small minority in Israel.

Sinful nation...
The 1980s numbers are worng now ,as with the rest of this pamflet - but frankly the author has no buisness to state how many are sinful because they are not religious. I know religious who are very sinful, and non-religious or atheist who are the opposite.


Israeli laws suppress all religion — For instance, it is against the law to try and convert a Jew to another religion even if the Jew is an atheist or humanist.

Add - in public. And it is correct. Trying to convert people in public and not in Church or Temple is illegal. And i agree with that.
You know what, i got tired of reading and commenting this junk. Author hates Israel and he twists the facts into this hatred while ignoring the truth.
Those who hate - will also ignore the facts and feed on the hatred. Those who are objective - should not take what is written in this thing for granted but research for themself because the author has an overwhelming agenda.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
Once again, we are visited by a topic which is unusually prone to inflammatory extremes.

Bear in mind that the source is written in 1985; and nearly two decades later we are asked to review the material and apply it to today and what we believe we already know.

Keep focused on the subject matter... not posters.

We will not be plumbing the depths of civil behavior here...


Hi Max,
Would you mind elaborating on what has changed since 1985 to clarify your comment.
thanks ljb
PS I went back and saw where you sorta answered this for another poster.
Are you here as a mod or a member??

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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by questforevidence
This whole thing can be summed up in one sentence. Liars fear the investigation of the truth. I am sick and tired of people destroying their attackers characters but not arguing their attackers logic.

Hi que,
Why do you use the word attacker to discribe both??
That way it would seem neither uses much logic.
Perhaps I am confused?
courious ljb



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Well... I would rather be free of this discussion (as I feel less than welcome) but it's a fair question so I will answer...

This is just ONE important factor - in my opinion (feel free to disagree) - but it represents a very significant difference between 1985 and now....

In May of 2008, the first citizen of the United States, then President George Bush; visited the Knesset (The ruling political parliament of Israel) and gave a speech... during this speech, he made several statements... some of which are quoted hereafter:

"I have been fortunate to see the character of Israel up close. I have touched the Western Wall, seen the sun reflected in the Sea of Galilee, I have prayed at Yad Vashem. And earlier today, I visited Masada, an inspiring monument to courage and sacrifice. At this historic site, Israeli soldiers swear an oath: "Masada shall never fall again." Citizens of Israel: Masada shall never fall again, and America will be at your side."

America will be at your side. Masada shall never fall again.... (remember this)

We believe that targeting innocent lives to achieve political objectives is always and everywhere wrong. So we stand together against terror and extremism, and we will never let down our guard or lose our resolve. (Applause.)"

We stand together... will never lose our resolve.

"Some people suggest if the United States would just break ties with Israel, all our problems in the Middle East would go away. This is a tired argument that buys into the propaganda of the enemies of peace, and America utterly rejects it. Israel's population may be just over 7 million. But when you confront terror and evil, you are 307 million strong, because the United States of America stands with you. (Applause.)"

The United States of America stands with you.

"And you have built a mighty democracy that will endure forever and can always count on the United States of America to be at your side. God bless. (Applause.)"

You can always count on the United States of America to be at your side.

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When the president of the nation, speaks for the nation, and promises eternal support for another nation - there IS no backing out. The only thing that could have affected this promise would have been a Congressional, Senatorial, or Judicial statement of dissent (like that would happen) ... it didn't.

As a result our country is COMMITTED to protecting and supporting Israel - regardless of the nature of the Israeli government, benevolent or otherwise.

To expect the declarations and testimony of people who allege witnessing first hand, the cruelty and or shameful behavior of whichever regime to nullify the promise made by our nation...( in the person of the President who spoke without any reservation and no objection from home), is kind of naive... especially if it happens to be matter of allegedly questionable facts which are older than most school textbooks.

It is not that I support one thing or the other... it's just recognizing that elements of this perpetual friction are so obtusely theatrical (on both sides) that we are spinning our wheels ... UNLESS someone - as a representative of the people, confirms that the people of this nation now feel otherwise....(like that would happen either)

OK.. flame away.. but remember, I'm probably not going to respond to the infantile repetitions of those adhering to the usual Pro-Israel/Anti-Zionist script.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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"It's possible that when the Iran war kicks off Russia will only intervene if Iran is about to fall or they may intervene from the beginning. Whether or not Russia jumps into action at the beginning of the war will be the difference between a massive regional war and WWIII in my opinion "

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hi mko
Where is your quote from?
This statement of yours is very sad.
Do you have specific knowledge that the war is a done deal or are you just blow smoke??
Would you be happy if the war began??
Are you on the same page as the OP??
curious ljb



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Not to be arguementive but please understand that Bush was soundly sent packing by the American people. Along with his lies
Then another trickster took over and is equally vilified by THE PEOPLE of America, well the world. This lying trickster still has our boy,girls, men and women in harms way.
Totally breaking the main promise he made to get elected.
I find it hard to understand any one wanting to back these individuals.
If I am not mistaken I just answered a thread (of yours)about treatment of soldiers.
AS liars do you think Bush was just setting the stage for the rug to be pulled out from under Irael???? You know, let them start the war thinking the US is behind them. And do them just like they did the American people?
I think talking these matters out is what ATS is all about.
You should know that if you keep sweeping things under the rug, it no longer serves it's purpose.
Sorry about the semi rant.
ljb



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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ZeroKnowledge : thanks!

I had no idea of how many things in that might be wrong, so thanks for highlighting so many parts. Of course, I don't know if everything you pointed out was right, but will try and research into each thing.


Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Those who hate - will also ignore the facts and feed on the hatred. Those who are objective - should not take what is written in this thing for granted but research for themself because the author has an overwhelming agenda.


I hope you're not implying that I'm the one hating, because I'm not. I'm looking for truth, but am also honest and will agree that I should've researched this more if so much of what you say is true.

If you do think I'm hating I'll just leave it, because that to me is just paving the way for the same circular arguments that I thought we'd get as soon as I posted this, and seeing as I never mix "Zionists" with "Jews" I won't even go there. For example : some people say "Jews did 9/11" instead of "Zionists did 9/11", (that's if they were behind it.) I'd never say it like that because I think that comes across as pretty racist and I cannot stand racism.

But if most of what you say is true, thanks again, because I'm looking for truth and you might have just helped me a lot. Time to start checking each point, guess I won't be bored for the next couple of hours.



edit - well I lasted a few mins before I'm questioning the very first point you made :


While Washington claims it has a "good neighbor" policy with Mexico, the U.S. does not permit Mexicans to hold dual nationality. The US makes them become either U.S. or Mexican -- you can't be both. But the U.S., in its special relationship with Israel, has become very sympathetic to allowing Israeli-Americans to retain two nationalities and allowing U.S. citizens not only to hold public office in Israel, but to hold US government positions as well! No other country holds this special exception to our laws of citizenship.

So, you might ask, are there any other dual Israel-American citizens who hold US government positions that could compromise American security? Yes. Consider the following list that I obtained on the web:


Dual Citizenship -- Loyal to Whom?


....so I'm guessing I might find several of the other things you add have problems holding up too. This was after checking 1 site. Will post back later anyway.
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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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I didn't find that argumentative at all.

The time for politics in this matter is well past. Our representatives and public servants had an obligation (and in theory still do) to make clear what our national policy is. As it stands now, they seem impotent to make any declarations that are not sanctioned by the 'few.'

All presidents, once gone (and some earlier) are vilified and refuted... generally it is the 'feel good' aspect of this political system... There is no argument against the notion that they are all, for the most part, liars and representatives of anyone BUT the people. However, when you make a treaty or a promise of epic visibility in the name of a country - well, lies are not so easy to get away with....

In reality, the author of the statements regarding Israel was never aware that a personal message from the American people was enunciated by their elected president affirming the commitment to whatever end of the United States. Had these allegations been in the main stream media, or dared to have been brought forth as other issues has, perhaps (a big perhaps) their may have been a public debate on the matter. But they didn't - and an effective regimen of public relations maneuvers has served to keep that discussion from happening.

There are many issues herein - all of them about public trust, the lack of a true press, and the nature of hermetic power bases - but they don't add up to the outrage the articles author may have been hoping to achieve.

20 years later .. and within a few paragraphs, the specter of "Nazi propaganda" has already surfaced. How much longer before the repugnance of accusations come forth? How long before we revisit the atrocities of the gulag-like conditions many were subjected to? How long before we count the feeble attacks which seem perpetual are recounted.

Perhaps there is much of value to pursue here. But it seems that most are not looking for wisdom here... just a chance to cast ugly aspersions around, and characterize each other as some form of agenda-driven speaker who even remotely stands a chance at changing another's mind on the subject.

For the record, I do not attribute the failing to the men/women who act the roles set out for them. The problem is in the script. Bush, Clinton, Obama, all of them, had little choice in doing what they felt needed doing; some "enjoyed" the choices, others did not.

It's the worship of political parties that leads to the dysfunction... it nearly always is.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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aaand I'm back again, on your 2nd point now Zero :


Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
There is no proof that Judaism spread to Khazarian general population,all archeological data proves otherwise. Khazarian leaders became 90% of Jews in 1930s..... Riiight.
According to vast majority of historians ,it is not the case.


From wikipedia :




The number of Khazars who converted to Judaism is also hotly contested, with historical accounts ranging from claims that only the King and his retainers had embraced Judaism, to the claim that the majority of the lay population had converted. D.M. Dunlop was of the opinion that only the upper class converted; this was the majority view until relatively recently. Analysis of recent archaeological grave evidence by such scholars as Kevin A. Brook asserts that the sudden shift in burial customs, with the abandonment of pagan-style burial with grave goods and the adoption of simple shroud burials during the mid-9th century suggests a more widespread conversion. A mainstream scholarly consensus does not yet exist regarding the extent of the conversions.


Debate about Khazar conversion to Judaism

Have got a feeling this might be a running theme and that maybe you should research too! But either way, my intent isn't hatred like I said at least twice already, so no bad feelings at all, and instead a thanks for getting me to research deeper into this.




Originally posted by Maxmars
Well... I would rather be free of this discussion (as I feel less than welcome) but it's a fair question so I will answer...


Same, and I'm the one that made the thread! This whole topic has a really bad air about it, which I think is due to the long running bunch of morons that would rather spew hatred and attacks (especially accusations of anti-semitism, which is probably the main problem here.) instead of actually researching and having a proper discussion.

Hopefully that'll change very shortly as more people start researching this, because now that TPTB have badly made this world a mess and we have the internet and a lot of angry people looking for the facts, there's only going to be a bigger awareness of these issues from here on out, and attacks/arguments/flamewars/false accusations of racism can't hold up forever.

Just to finish, because I don't want to be digging up every point you made from here on out, and I hope you can research more too instead :


Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Ehm? What? Throughout the history, yup. Strangely it only starts with Marx but why ruin good case?


Again, from wikipedia :


The origins of communism are debatable, and there are various historical groups, as well as theorists, whose beliefs have been subsequently described as communist. German philosopher Karl Marx saw primitive communism as the original, hunter-gatherer state of humankind from which it arose. For Marx, only after humanity was capable of producing surplus, did private property develop. The idea of a classless society first emerged in Ancient Greece. Plato in his The Republic described it as a state where people shared all their property, wives, and children: "The private and individual is altogether banished from life and things which are by nature private, such as eyes and ears and hands, have become common, and in some way see and hear and act in common, and all men express praise and feel joy and sorrow on the same occasions."


Early communism
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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Watch the pro israel squad come rushing in after the "trigger" words are registered. Nauseating.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Snoopy1978
Watch the pro israel squad come rushing in after the "trigger" words are registered. Nauseating.


It doesn't matter. The debate from here on out, if it turns sour, means nothing. We have the text linked in the OP, and the ability to research, that's all we need.



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