It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel

page: 4
27
<< 1  2  3    5 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 09:23 AM
link   

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by longjohnbritches
 





I thought Communism was born of the Revolution not before? Can you help me out in my ignorance here.

I think that modern Communism was born after Karl Marxes "Communist manifesto". Even though i just saw that it was ordered by something called Communist league, that pamphlet was the ideological background for all the crap that actually followed.
First Russian Communist,Plekhanov , was politically active when Ulyanov was just a kid. October revolution just gave power to hardliner Communists. After the revolution and complete failure of implementing utopian foolishness of Communist ideas in normal society, Soviet Communist party turned into Socialistic dictature.


I think this is important.So maybe time lining Lenin as a central figure we can build the rest around him?

Of course Lenin was very important, he took Marx ideas and added tons of practical cynicism. However it was still based on Comiunist manifesto - at least as i understand it. I have little desire to torture myself reading Marx or Lenin.
As for link - i fail to open it too. But wiki (and net in general) has tons of info about Lenin. Frankly, with him being some kind of idol in Soviet Union i am not that sure that official Russian sources can be trusted even today.

Thank you
Very well done.
So does this mean Communism was born in Russia and went through a hard sell in Germany?? And the movement went east to Russia. Or was it more simultatious?
It then was not Marxism but Communist Marxism that was involved in WW 1?
The nooks and crannies of this tumultuous time are so obscure.
I think do to PC and suppression of free speech it is hard to know Who to believe. lol
I am impressed with your>>>> knowledge and that ain't 0.
I would be pleased to see a link to a site that you think is more apropos.
Remember the Russians are the one's that started the Statue pull downs.
Well before Saddam Hussein's.



File:Lenin statue pulled down.jpg - Wikipedia, the free ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lenin_statue_pulled_down.jpg

File:Lenin statue pulled down.jpg. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Jump to: navigation, search. File; File history; File usage. File:Lenin statue pulled ...




posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 10:29 AM
link   
reply to post by longjohnbritches
 


I will post these links (i hope) for reference and just to keep things moving.
I will comment after confering with Zero Knowledge.

The World's Biggest Bomb - Program Transcript | Secrets of the ...
www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/tran.the-world%E2%80%99s-biggest-bomb-progrogram

May 16, 2011 ... a deadly contest that culminated fifty years ago in the biggest man-made explosion of all time. ... His father helped design Stalin's first bombs. ..... The Tsar Bomb – weighing 27 tons – had been fitted with a parachute – and ...

As the war ended – the era of the weapon of mass destruction had begun.

The countdown to the world’s biggest bomb began when Soviet leader, Joseph Stalin, decided he too must have such a weapon.

Two weeks after Hiroshima, he ordered scientists here – at Moscow’s Lebedev Institute – to build him an atom bomb.

Physicist Boris Altshuler was part of an elite community of Soviet scientists.

His father helped design Stalin’s first bombs.

DR BORIS ALTSHULER, Nuclear Physicist:
My father really understood definitely that they must have the bomb.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------

But actually you can find out about Stalin's first bomb here. A real sobering look at a man that ruled an EMPIRE.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------

Young Stalin by Simon Sebag Montefiore - Acclaim
www.simonsebagmontefiore.com/youngstalin_acclaim.aspx - Similarto Young Stalin by Simon Sebag Montefiore - Acclaim

This remarkable book Montefiore's thrilling portrait of Stalin's youth. ... You might as well subtitle it 'apprentice dictator' as Koba bombs, robs, blackmails, ... "Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar' was a bestsellers just as 'Young Stalin' will be. ... archives and interviewed survivors of Stalin's early years and family members For the ...

edit on 4/23/2012 by longjohnbritches because: go figure the url brackets are just around the url nothing more???

edit on 4/23/2012 by longjohnbritches because: again



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 10:38 AM
link   
reply to post by longjohnbritches
 


What exactly are you trying to achieve in this thread ?

What exactly are you trying to understand?

Also, did you just say that communism was born in Russia ?

Do you even know where the word communism originated ?

edit on 23-4-2012 by QQXXw because: (no reason given)

edit on 23-4-2012 by QQXXw because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 10:43 AM
link   

Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by longjohnbritches
 


What exactly are you trying to achieve in this thread?


Trace the meanings of the words in the OP.
So others will understand them not just see them as an empty rant.
Are you knowledgable on this subject??
Not exactly do you know exactly where Communism was born??
thanks ljb
PS what are you trying to accomplish?
edit on 4/23/2012 by longjohnbritches because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 10:58 AM
link   

Originally posted by longjohnbritches

Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by longjohnbritches
 


What exactly are you trying to achieve in this thread?


Trace the meanings of the words in the OP.
So others will understand them not just see them as an empty rant.
Are you knowledgable on this subject??
Not exactly do you know exactly where Communism was born??
thanks ljb
PS what are you trying to accomplish?
edit on 4/23/2012 by longjohnbritches because: (no reason given)


I read most of the thread from the start, its very convoluted and difficult to follow. What caught my eye was zero-knowledge using a rather standard set of techniques to cloud history and basically lead you down a different path than you would have taken if you bothered to do the research yourself.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 11:03 AM
link   

Originally posted by QQXXw

Originally posted by longjohnbritches

Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by longjohnbritches
 


What exactly are you trying to achieve in this thread?


Trace the meanings of the words in the OP.
So others will understand them not just see them as an empty rant.
Are you knowledgable on this subject??
Not exactly do you know exactly where Communism was born??
thanks ljb
PS what are you trying to accomplish?
edit on 4/23/2012 by longjohnbritches because: (no reason given)


I read most of the thread from the start, its very convoluted and difficult to follow. What caught my eye was zero-knowledge using a rather standard set of techniques to cloud history and basically lead you down a different path than you would have taken if you bothered to do the research yourself.



So far as I know we are still on the path.
If not perhaps you could steer me (us)in a BETTER, DIFFERENT direction??



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:36 PM
link   
Communism was born in Germany with Marx and Engels, its main difference was it was universal "scientific" socialism of sorts that was suppose to transcend nationalism, and it made a big impact on the left. However, despite what Marx predicted the capitalist and capitalism responded to the workers demands instead of crushing them and nationalism still remained more important then class, and so it got a perch in the minds of people in Western Europe but it never became powerful.

What had happens was the Tsar fell to a legitimate revolution against his bad governance and him doing silly stuff that shorn him of any remaining loyalty from the peasants, that was the February Revolution, the October Revolution was more of a military coup by the Bolsheviks who took over and installed their brand of Marxist-Leninist communism which simplified argued that instead of the revolution coming from the wealthy industrial states, it should come from the weakest links in the chain like Russia and that there should be an elite vanguard of leaders to run it (ala Lenin)

So that's the short abbreviated story of how communism started with German and ended up being pratice by the Russians



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 04:21 PM
link   
reply to post by Koffee
 

Hi kof
Well that's very interesting. Similar to what zero thinks as well.
Do you see it as a factor in WW1??
A Nazi vs Commie deal that early?
I have never dug that deep.
I hope you stay with the program. Perhaps we can continue to bring this up to the era of the OP. So much left to understnd.
the best ljb



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 05:03 PM
link   

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Koffee
 

Hi kof
Well that's very interesting. Similar to what zero thinks as well.
Do you see it as a factor in WW1??
A Nazi vs Commie deal that early?
I have never dug that deep.
I hope you stay with the program. Perhaps we can continue to bring this up to the era of the OP. So much left to understnd.
the best ljb


It was not a factor in World War 1, that was egoistical nationalism and bad decision making at its finest. There was a brief deal between Stalin and Hitler, with some trade and technological transportation going on in the 30s but that was a dance with a devil and both sides knew it and the zenith of that Molotov-Ribbontrop was followed soon after with Operation Barbarossa.

Yeah Israel has the Kibbutz as a socialist group, but its ideology and practices are differing from Marxist thought, for one they focus on agriculture and second they don't seem to be support a world wide revolution of workers, but rather concern about their own local affairs. If anything they fall into pre-marxist "utopian" socialists in my view.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 05:27 PM
link   

Originally posted by robhines

I am well aware of the tactics of you, my Zionist brethren, use to quiet anyone who attempts to expose any of your subversive acts.

If the person is a Gentile, you cry, "You're anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions.

But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics.

First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.

But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.


Source : The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel


To say this is an interesting read is an understatement. Have been reading a bit about Zionism lately and just wanted to share this, because it gives a lot of information and it's coming from an Ashkenazi Jew, so anyone hoping to pull the Anti-Semite card can basically go elsewhere with their delusions.

Don't cry at me if you don't like what you read, because this type of information is probably going to be widespread as general awareness raises, and it's raising fast.

Maybe God wants this info out there? How do you plan on stopping that then, eh?
edit on 20-4-2012 by robhines because: added


All anti-Zionist material is anti-Semitic, and a lot of uninformed people fall for it. The anti-Semitic far-right have been using anti-Zionism as a cover for their anti-Semitism since long before nazi times. Their claims that it's not anti-Semitic is a blatant lie, and is used as an excuse by bigoted assholes to attack the Jews; these people will use any excuse and any lie in the world to attack Jews and are sick, vile obsessively hateful people. Don't fall for their bs propaganda.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 06:50 PM
link   

Originally posted by Koffee

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Koffee
 

Hi kof
Well that's very interesting. Similar to what zero thinks as well.
Do you see it as a factor in WW1??
A Nazi vs Commie deal that early?
I have never dug that deep.
I hope you stay with the program. Perhaps we can continue to bring this up to the era of the OP. So much left to understnd.
the best ljb


It was not a factor in World War 1, that was egoistical nationalism and bad decision making at its finest. There was a brief deal between Stalin and Hitler, with some trade and technological transportation going on in the 30s but that was a dance with a devil and both sides knew it and the zenith of that Molotov-Ribbontrop was followed soon after with Operation Barbarossa.

Yeah Israel has the Kibbutz as a socialist group, but its ideology and practices are differing from Marxist thought, for one they focus on agriculture and second they don't seem to be support a world wide revolution of workers, but rather concern about their own local affairs. If anything they fall into pre-marxist "utopian" socialists in my view.




Hi cof
So WW1 yes?? Even if in a small way and some trepidation on your part?
Well I checked.
The Manifesto was authored in 1847 but was not published until 1914 in GERMANY
that is the beginning of WW 1.
So there had to be a social concienceness if you will. At least amongst the conspirators and thier folowers. Is it true that this group of mind benders was at work from America to the Far East??? Was the rise of Hitler an answer to this?? How about here in Kiwi land--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------AUSTRALIANS NEED TO KNOW
www.australianfreedom.com/needindex.html

Australians who care about their own freedom, or hope to pass it on to their children, ought ... It is the system codified by Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

One chance for redemption.
Next you glassed over the MEAT of Communism IN PRACTICE,
and deferred to Stalin and then a quick jump to KABUTZES, leaving a hole the size of Texas.
Did I miss something??

Communist Manifesto - All Ten Planks ... In America!!!
www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.html - Similarto Communist Manifesto - All Ten Planks ... In America!!!

Defines the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto and shows they are in place in America!



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 08:03 PM
link   

Originally posted by lostinau
All anti-Zionist material is anti-Semitic, and a lot of uninformed people fall for it.


Sorry but I can't go along with that. I've done my best to point out that I'm not racist but Zionism is a nationalist movement and to say that anyone saying or writing anything negative about aspects of it doesn't really make sense to me. It's a movement made by Humans, and Humans aren't perfect so it's just basic logic to assume that there's some parts of it that have problems. I'm in no way saying that everyone part of the Zionist movement is evil, I bet there's a lot of good and honest people that are Zionists, but at the same time it has to be accepted that there's problems in parts of it. Or that some people have used the Zionist movement for negative purposes.

You don't get a whole movement stemming back to 1897 (or hardly any movement anywhere, unless it's made up of only a few people that are all somehow purely good.) made completely of people that are all 100% good with 100% good intentions and actions, and that have done nothing wrong, so to say anything anti-Zionist is racist means that it's above criticism, which is basically impossible.

Hopefully I'm done with this thread anyway from here on out, and would just prefer to research, because with this situation being so delicate I feel like I'm just counting down to an argument or accusations being made against me, so hopefully this is my last post here.
edit on 23-4-2012 by robhines because: added



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 08:15 PM
link   


Hi cof
So WW1 yes?? Even if in a small way and some trepidation on your part?
Well I checked.
The Manifesto was authored in 1847 but was not published until 1914 in GERMANY
that is the beginning of WW 1.

It was published before 1914, just checking off hand at wiki we got publication dates ranging from serialization in German 1848 from a German newspaper outside of German to various English editions from ranging from 1850 to 1880.

Second, communism as mentioned before was not a factor in World War 1, it was a bad decision making on top of a intentional structure of treaties and military preparations that reached critical mass.




So there had to be a social concienceness if you will. At least amongst the conspirators and thier folowers. Is it true that this group of mind benders was at work from America to the Far East??? Was the rise of Hitler an answer to this?? How about here in Kiwi land--

The rise of Hitler had more to with the particular foibles and failures of interwar democracy that arose in Germany. He did play on the fear of communism and indeed German republic did put down a leftist revolt when it was transiting to democracy. If anything the lesson that guys like Hitler and Mussolini learned from World War 1 and the aftermath (the reconstruction of nation states in the old empires) is that nationalism was far more powerful the any ideas of class struggle.



One chance for redemption.
Next you glassed over the MEAT of Communism IN PRACTICE,
and deferred to Stalin and then a quick jump to KABUTZES, leaving a hole the size of Texas.
Did I miss something??

No I am writing with the understanding that you know something of communism, its an unique bird that pretty much a ultimate 19th century idea, belief in scientific materialism along with a Hegelian dialectic that is suppose to end up with paradise and a new man. Which generic socialist groups lack outside of we work together and things get nicer.

But if you have questions about the Russia/Soviet style communism feel free to ask, it is within my area of study in history.




Communist Manifesto - All Ten Planks ... In America!!!
www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.html - Similarto Communist Manifesto - All Ten Planks ... In America!!!

Defines the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto and shows they are in place in America!

What's happening in America (and elsewhere in teh 1st world) is my opinion is the just natural outgrowth of the social welfare state (which was built in part to head off worker riots and communist rebellions) that is just growing in power and control as that's the natural gravity of direction with stately power.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 10:21 PM
link   
reply to post by Koffee
 


Oh yeah we are done here.
POO dink is for the ignorant.
It would seem as though ZERO just handed his batton off to his evil brother.

Ha ha Yikes LOL
nity nite cough ugh choke, yuck
lbj



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 10:31 PM
link   
reply to post by robhines
 


Rob, I have advised my children. They are mature.
"YOU have LEGS. You can stand on them or Run on them"
That's the best I got. And you know. It is the best I will ever have.
your choice ljb



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 10:53 PM
link   

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Koffee
 


Oh yeah we are done here.
POO dink is for the ignorant.
It would seem as though ZERO just handed his batton off to his evil brother.

Ha ha Yikes LOL
nity nite cough ugh choke, yuck
lbj


What specifically do you find wrong with what I posted?



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 11:20 PM
link   

Originally posted by Koffee

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Koffee
 


Oh yeah we are done here.
POO dink is for the ignorant.
It would seem as though ZERO just handed his batton off to his evil brother.

Ha ha Yikes LOL
nity nite cough ugh choke, yuck
lbj


What specifically do you find wrong with what I posted?

Absolutly nothing. Is has been the light of my life. I will cherish it forever.
not ljb



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 05:13 AM
link   
reply to post by longjohnbritches
 


Sorry for taking that long to answer.


So does this mean Communism was born in Russia and went through a hard sell in Germany?? And the
movement went east to Russia. Or was it more simultatious?

Russian (Lenin/Trotsky] and Soviet (Stalin) versio of Communism came from Russia, yes. Just as Mao version of Communism came from China. And Fidel Castro version of Communism came from Cuba. And what came from North Korea, i do not know - but it came from North Korea in any case.


It then was not Marxism but Communist Marxism that was involved in WW 1?

I do not exactly understand what it means. Marx was dead before WW1 so both Russian Communists and European Communists were developing the ideas further.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 10:44 AM
link   

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by longjohnbritches
 


Sorry for taking that long to answer.


So does this mean Communism was born in Russia and went through a hard sell in Germany?? And the
movement went east to Russia. Or was it more simultatious?

Russian (Lenin/Trotsky] and Soviet (Stalin) versio of Communism came from Russia, yes. Just as Mao version of Communism came from China. And Fidel Castro version of Communism came from Cuba. And what came from North Korea, i do not know - but it came from North Korea in any case.


It then was not Marxism but Communist Marxism that was involved in WW 1?

I do not exactly understand what it means. Marx was dead before WW1 so both Russian Communists and European Communists were developing the ideas further.


Hi, welcome back,
Directly to your last sentence.
Yes he was dead by this time. But--- his attempts at social revolution (hell they weren't attempts they came to pass) were circulating, being discussed in HI Society for over half a century before WW 1. That has to have a Huge effect. As we have discussed.
Let's turn a little south. An area from whence Hitler developed.
May we use this to establish continued discussion?


World War I - The History of World War I
history1900s.about.com/od/worldwari/p/World-War-I.htm

The spark that started World War I was the assassination of Austria's ... The Schlieffen Plan was created by Alfred Graf von Schlieffen, who was the chief of the ...
A snipitt from near the end

Armistice and the Versailles Treaty

The fighting in the west continued for another year. Millions more soldiers died, while little land was gained. However, the freshness of the American troops made a huge difference. While the European troops were tired from years of war, the Americans remained enthusiastic. Soon the Germans were retreating and the Allies were advancing. The end of the war was near.

At the end of 1918, an armistice was finally agreed upon. The fighting was to end on the 11th hour of 11th day of 11th month (i.e. 11 am on Nov. 11, 1918).

For the next several months, diplomats argued and compromised together in order to come up with the Versailles Treaty. The Versailles Treaty was the peace treaty that ended World War I; however, a number of its terms were so controversial that it also set the stage for World War II.

The carnage left behind by the end of World War I was staggering. By the end of the war, an estimated 10 million soldiers were killed. That averages to about 6,500 deaths a day, every day. Plus, millions of civilians were also killed. World War I is especially remembered for its slaughter for it was one of the bloodiest wars in history.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:49 PM
link   
I can imagine the jews who were top dog in Palestine were not happy that a goverment and authority moved in they had to bow to.




top topics



 
27
<< 1  2  3    5 >>

log in

join