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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by longjohnbritches
I thought Communism was born of the Revolution not before? Can you help me out in my ignorance here.
I think that modern Communism was born after Karl Marxes "Communist manifesto". Even though i just saw that it was ordered by something called Communist league, that pamphlet was the ideological background for all the crap that actually followed.
First Russian Communist,Plekhanov , was politically active when Ulyanov was just a kid. October revolution just gave power to hardliner Communists. After the revolution and complete failure of implementing utopian foolishness of Communist ideas in normal society, Soviet Communist party turned into Socialistic dictature.
I think this is important.So maybe time lining Lenin as a central figure we can build the rest around him?
Of course Lenin was very important, he took Marx ideas and added tons of practical cynicism. However it was still based on Comiunist manifesto - at least as i understand it. I have little desire to torture myself reading Marx or Lenin.
As for link - i fail to open it too. But wiki (and net in general) has tons of info about Lenin. Frankly, with him being some kind of idol in Soviet Union i am not that sure that official Russian sources can be trusted even today.
Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by longjohnbritches
What exactly are you trying to achieve in this thread?
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by longjohnbritches
What exactly are you trying to achieve in this thread?
Trace the meanings of the words in the OP.
So others will understand them not just see them as an empty rant.
Are you knowledgable on this subject??
Not exactly do you know exactly where Communism was born??
thanks ljb
PS what are you trying to accomplish?edit on 4/23/2012 by longjohnbritches because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by QQXXw
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by longjohnbritches
What exactly are you trying to achieve in this thread?
Trace the meanings of the words in the OP.
So others will understand them not just see them as an empty rant.
Are you knowledgable on this subject??
Not exactly do you know exactly where Communism was born??
thanks ljb
PS what are you trying to accomplish?edit on 4/23/2012 by longjohnbritches because: (no reason given)
I read most of the thread from the start, its very convoluted and difficult to follow. What caught my eye was zero-knowledge using a rather standard set of techniques to cloud history and basically lead you down a different path than you would have taken if you bothered to do the research yourself.
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Koffee
Hi kof
Well that's very interesting. Similar to what zero thinks as well.
Do you see it as a factor in WW1??
A Nazi vs Commie deal that early?
I have never dug that deep.
I hope you stay with the program. Perhaps we can continue to bring this up to the era of the OP. So much left to understnd.
the best ljb
Originally posted by robhines
I am well aware of the tactics of you, my Zionist brethren, use to quiet anyone who attempts to expose any of your subversive acts.
If the person is a Gentile, you cry, "You're anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions.
But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics.
First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.
But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.
Source : The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel
To say this is an interesting read is an understatement. Have been reading a bit about Zionism lately and just wanted to share this, because it gives a lot of information and it's coming from an Ashkenazi Jew, so anyone hoping to pull the Anti-Semite card can basically go elsewhere with their delusions.
Don't cry at me if you don't like what you read, because this type of information is probably going to be widespread as general awareness raises, and it's raising fast.
Maybe God wants this info out there? How do you plan on stopping that then, eh?edit on 20-4-2012 by robhines because: added
Originally posted by Koffee
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Koffee
Hi kof
Well that's very interesting. Similar to what zero thinks as well.
Do you see it as a factor in WW1??
A Nazi vs Commie deal that early?
I have never dug that deep.
I hope you stay with the program. Perhaps we can continue to bring this up to the era of the OP. So much left to understnd.
the best ljb
It was not a factor in World War 1, that was egoistical nationalism and bad decision making at its finest. There was a brief deal between Stalin and Hitler, with some trade and technological transportation going on in the 30s but that was a dance with a devil and both sides knew it and the zenith of that Molotov-Ribbontrop was followed soon after with Operation Barbarossa.
Yeah Israel has the Kibbutz as a socialist group, but its ideology and practices are differing from Marxist thought, for one they focus on agriculture and second they don't seem to be support a world wide revolution of workers, but rather concern about their own local affairs. If anything they fall into pre-marxist "utopian" socialists in my view.
Originally posted by lostinau
All anti-Zionist material is anti-Semitic, and a lot of uninformed people fall for it.
Hi cof
So WW1 yes?? Even if in a small way and some trepidation on your part?
Well I checked.
The Manifesto was authored in 1847 but was not published until 1914 in GERMANY
that is the beginning of WW 1.
So there had to be a social concienceness if you will. At least amongst the conspirators and thier folowers. Is it true that this group of mind benders was at work from America to the Far East??? Was the rise of Hitler an answer to this?? How about here in Kiwi land--
One chance for redemption.
Next you glassed over the MEAT of Communism IN PRACTICE,
and deferred to Stalin and then a quick jump to KABUTZES, leaving a hole the size of Texas.
Did I miss something??
Communist Manifesto - All Ten Planks ... In America!!!
www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.html - Similarto Communist Manifesto - All Ten Planks ... In America!!!
Defines the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto and shows they are in place in America!
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Koffee
Oh yeah we are done here.
POO dink is for the ignorant.
It would seem as though ZERO just handed his batton off to his evil brother.
Ha ha Yikes LOL
nity nite cough ugh choke, yuck
lbj
Originally posted by Koffee
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Koffee
Oh yeah we are done here.
POO dink is for the ignorant.
It would seem as though ZERO just handed his batton off to his evil brother.
Ha ha Yikes LOL
nity nite cough ugh choke, yuck
lbj
What specifically do you find wrong with what I posted?
So does this mean Communism was born in Russia and went through a hard sell in Germany?? And the
movement went east to Russia. Or was it more simultatious?
It then was not Marxism but Communist Marxism that was involved in WW 1?
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by longjohnbritches
Sorry for taking that long to answer.
So does this mean Communism was born in Russia and went through a hard sell in Germany?? And the
movement went east to Russia. Or was it more simultatious?
Russian (Lenin/Trotsky] and Soviet (Stalin) versio of Communism came from Russia, yes. Just as Mao version of Communism came from China. And Fidel Castro version of Communism came from Cuba. And what came from North Korea, i do not know - but it came from North Korea in any case.
It then was not Marxism but Communist Marxism that was involved in WW 1?
I do not exactly understand what it means. Marx was dead before WW1 so both Russian Communists and European Communists were developing the ideas further.