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The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel

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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Very true. I like your approach!




posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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I did condense the content.
BUT it was his intent to pass to the Israeli's
Why as an American citizen would he want to?
God forbid if he had DUAL citizenship.

http:// enwikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Nozette
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Nozette


Known for Attempting to transfer American nuclear and space technology to Israel


ljb
He tried to cop My parents are Jewish you should give me safe passage to Israel.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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How is Racist and Marxist related? Marxist (Left) is every one is equal the other, one is so far right wing it is Hitler. Another case of an idiot talking about stuff he don't know.
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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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I hope you're not implying that I'm the one hating, because I'm not. I'm looking for truth, but am also honest and will agree that I should've researched this more if so much of what you say is true.

Nope. I do not know you.



so I'm guessing I might find several of the other things you add have problems holding up too. This was after checking 1 site. Will post back later anyway.

Nope. You did not prove that there could be only Israeli-US dual citizens. You linked from some unknown source , i linked you official US governemnt statement.
To stregthen my point:


Most American dual citizens are Mexican-Americans. The most prominent is Juan Hernandez, born in Dallas, who is a member of the Cabinet of Mexican President Vicente Fox.

old.post-gazette.com...
See, research is good. Trusting hate sites is bad.


Have got a feeling this might be a running theme and that maybe you should research too! But either way, my intent isn't hatred like I said at least twice already, so no bad feelings at all, and instead a thanks for getting me to research deeper into this.

Thank you too. I did not know these things:


Kevin A. Brook asserts that the sudden shift in burial customs, with the abandonment of pagan-style burial with grave goods and the adoption of simple shroud burials during the mid-9th century suggests a more widespread conversion

It does raise some good questions, but in the same article of Wiki there is this:


Jewish communities had existed in the Greek cities of the Black Sea coast since late classical times. Chersonesos, Sudak, Kerch and other Crimean cities sustained Jewish communities, as did Gorgippia, and Samkarsh / Tmutarakan was said to have had a Jewish majority as early as the 670s. Jews fled from Byzantium to Khazaria as a consequence of persecution under Heraclius, Justinian II, Leo III, and Romanos I.[38] These were joined by other Jews fleeing from Sassanid Persia (particularly during the Mazdak revolts),[39] and, later, the Islamic world. Jewish merchants such as the Radhanites regularly traded in Khazar territory, and may have wielded significant economic and political influence. Though their origins and history are somewhat unclear, the Mountain Jews also lived in or near Khazar territory and may have been allied with the Khazars, or subject to them; it is conceivable that they, too, played a role in Khazar conversion

Which shows that there were numerous Jewish communities in the near proximity prior to Khazar conversion. They vanished in thin air while only Khazar Jews remained?
How about that:


In 576 Bishop *Avitus of Clermont-Ferrand offered the Jews of his town (who numbered over 500) to alternative of baptism or expulsion. His example was followed in 582 by Chilperic I, king of Neustria (the western part of the Frankish kingdom).

www.geschichteinchronologie.ch...
Europe. Jews. 300 years before Khazar convertion. Frankly there is 0 evidence (not speculation ,but evidence) that German,French, Polish or Russian Jews are all (majority/half/third/1 percent) from Khazarian decent. There is overwhelming amount of evidence of Jews in France Germany and Italy prior to Khazar convertion. Poland/Russia is not that rich in historical documents as Western Europe - but Poland (and Kiev Russia) are closer to Germany then to Khazars.



The origins of communism are debatable, and there are various historical groups, as well as theorists, whose beliefs have been subsequently described as communist. German philosopher Karl Marx saw primitive communism as the original, hunter-gatherer state of humankind from which it arose. For Marx, only after humanity was capable of producing surplus, did private property develop. The idea of a classless society first emerged in Ancient Greece.

That pamphlet you linked to stated that all (as in -all) Russian/Polish ex-Khazarian Jews were communists or carried Communist ideas. Ashkenazi are born from those Khazarian Jews (again ,according to that pamphlet).
Ancient Greeks have nothing to do with it. First Ashkenazi Communist was Karl Marx. Contrary to what is stated in that thingy of yours.
To help you out -this is the citation from your source:


Throughout their history, these Polish and Russian Ashkenazi Jews practiced communism/socialism and worked to have their ideas implemented in these countries.

Greeks are not guilty, only Polish Russian Ashkenazi. But there was no mention of Jewish Communists prior to Marx.
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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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Hi zero,
I have been looking for such a members as your self.
From what you post you profess to be incredibly knowledgeable about eastern HEBREWS am I correct??
cheers ljb



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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From what you post you profess to be incredibly knowledgeable about eastern HEBREWS am I correct??

Incredibly knowledgable.. lol. Sadly no (zero is there for a reason) - i just linked wiki as a source if you did not notice. And i did not know about new burial data. But i do know certain basic things. Uusally people who try to bring this subject up are not interested in the facts or the lack of those. It is usually done to show that part of Jews are not "real Jews", and it is done for political or ,ehhhm, personal reasons.
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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
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From what you post you profess to be incredibly knowledgeable about eastern HEBREWS am I correct??

Incredibly knowledgable.. lol. Sadly no (zero is there for a reason) - i just linked wiki as a source if you did not notice. And i did not know about new burial data. But i do know certain basic things. Uusally people who try to bring this subject up are not interested in the facts or the lack of those. It is usually done to show that part of Jews are not "real Jews", and it is done for political or ,ehhhm, personal reasons.
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Oh sweet zero
Thanks for being ever so humble.
Actually your reply is way better than I expected. You see I have been talking to folks about Lenin (not his real name right)?
also Trotsky, are you aware of that name?
Also Stalin. Could you help me and my friends figure out thier ethnicity??
thanks and
The best ljb



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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I fear it is going in the wrong direction. Though lets give it a try:
Trotsky - (Bronstein). Jewish.
Lenin - (Ulyanov) had 1 Jewish grandfather (Father of mother). Which makes all 3 other grandfathers irrelevant to some people for a weird reason. According to Jewish religious laws he is not a Jew anyway.
Stalin - (Dzhugashvili) not Jewish.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
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I fear it is going in the wrong direction. Though lets give it a try:
Trotsky - (Bronstein). Jewish.
Lenin - (Ulyanov) had 1 Jewish grandfather (Father of mother). Which makes all 3 other grandfathers irrelevant to some people for a weird reason. According to Jewish religious laws he is not a Jew anyway.
Stalin - (Dzhugashvili) not Jewish.




Come on now zero there are only four directions.
You are way to smart to get lost.
Relax throw your shoulders back, every thing is fine..
Actually if you do, I will hold your hand and we can follow the crumbs back home.
What about the ethnicity of Carl Marx?? He is a part of the crumb trail isn't he???



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Hi again.

Ok, to start with I'm not going to pretend I'm very knowledgeable about this whole thing. I research conspiracy theories and see where they take me, and I'm glad to be speaking to someone from Israel because you probably have a lot better knowledge than me about your own people! So it's good to speak to you, and I'm honestly sorry for any offence caused to you, and any other Israeli and/or Jewish readers of this thread. My intention is not to spread hate, but to find truth.

So in order to try and help give you and any other Israeli and/or Jewish readers as clear a perspective as possible, here's how I arrived at creating this thread :

1) A lot of the problems we face in the western world seem to stem from an American-Israeli group from each of your governments. Not the people, but the governments. (and as a UK person I know exactly how often our government happily goes along with so much of it.)

2) As I researched into this I found Zionism, but was also aware that it could be racist and left it for a long time.

3) I then read about Zionism recently as I started researching more.

4) Next I came across a number of conspiracy theories related to it.

5) I then researched with the idea that Zionism at government levels, didn't care much about the people, but was instead more bothered about creating problems and wars, whilst at the same time making things in the western world increasingly repressive for us as people. Living in the UK, the country that created a lot of these problems and which is still as far as I can tell, through groups like the Rothschild bankers and others, is still perpetuating them, I'm familiar with this stuff to an extent.

6) I then found the page I linked to in the first post, and the only reason I carried on reading it was because it was written by a Jew. I thought, well, this guy is Jewish, so what reason would he have to tarnish and create lies about his own people?

7) Next I carried on reading and a lot of things seemed to become clearer, and I still think they are clearer after reading it.

So now there's the issue of separating the facts from the parts that aren't facts. I have no idea of what percentage of it is true, but at the same time I think several parts of it can be useful in helping us understand levels of corruption that have appeared in the American, Israeli, UK, and many other governments. If we can try to work some of that out before any posters that would rather the thread be derailed arrive, that'd obviously be cool.

But please know that I consider myself to have a more Buddhist outlook than anything else, so creating threads to promote ignorance, arguments, racism or hatred just isn't in my nature. I consider the people of every country and religion equal, and to do anything else just doesn't make any sense to me.

Maybe I'm saying this so that this is at least noted here, because I have no idea where this thread will go now, but I'd like to think anyone reading what I'm saying in this post can understand that I'm looking for truth. If there's not much in that text, then I apologise for any offence caused, and will move on to trying to work out what is actually going on with our messed up world via another avenue.

People can say it's the military, it's the governments, it's the illuminati, etc. But there's something deeper to all this, that we, as a group of people here to try and deny ignorance and find the truth, should see as our responsibility to pursue. I've no idea if we'll ever get there or if there'll be some whistleblower(s) that will reveal it for us, but while the whistleblower scenario isn't happening, many of us will just have to hope we eventually suss things out and can finally have some real truth, because if not it looks like our governments are just going to slowly but surely take everything from us until we're either living in fascist police-states worldwide, or we destroy our ability to survive on this planet.

So, with that said, hopefully we can see if there's some facts related to the Zionist movement and the mess we're in. It's highly likely that it'll turn out that it's not all their faults, like some theorists that are probably going over the top think, but it looks increasingly like it's become corrupted from what it once was, and the days of people shouting anti-semite can pass as we try to find the facts. Because if we find them, that's what's best for all of us. No matter what race, no matter what country we live in, or what religion or belief system(s) we follow.
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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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You know those advertisements Israel made for Israeli's living in the U.S., telling them not to date or marry Americans.
Israeli government Advertisement

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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by Drezden
You know those advertisements Israel made for Israeli's living in the U.S., telling them not to date or marry Americans.
Israeli government Advertisement

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Well it did not work.
William S. Coehn Congressman from Maine and Slick Willies SECRETARY of DEFENCE
ducked that prerequisite.
You know what, he is a poet too.
He is the guy that said just about every body has a HAARP weapon and the US needs to get one.
Any one want to post his poems.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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Jews have been thrown out of over 100 countries worldwide. They are the banksters charging interest on money and enslaving the world. Mind you, not ALL jews are really jews anyway. But they as a general populus have been a scourge on society.
The facts are since the Rothschilds, the world has become more enslaved than ever.

See this link on a whole cadre of information.. take it and look at the facts.

www.veteranstoday.com...



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 01:05 AM
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My last statement was admittedly a tangent but I was talking about the present situation.

My thought process is that with the amount of anti Iran propaganda going on that a war will happen sooner or later unless some big positive changes occur. I do not at all want the war to occur but I think that it will happen regardless of my wishes.

Anyways, I recall news earlier this week about Russia massing troops on the border with Azerbaijan. Going through Azerbaijan will be the fastest way to get stuff from Russia to Iran. This is why I think that Russia will intervene directly in such a war, either at the start of the war or if Iran is in a very dire situation.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 05:44 AM
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Does this all boil down to : revenge for what Jesus did...... he turned over the money lenders tables and told them to share and not hold others to ransome......

From what I have read the Jews didnot like Jesus at all, and an Ashkenazi Jew or Zionist could easily trick the Jews into following them.

I have also read that Adolf Hitler was the grandson of a Rothschild, an Ashkenazi Jew family so maybe the Nazi party, and the Zionists are the same people.

Who wins all the Wars ...... the Bankers do ...... who are they .... Ashkenazi Jews ......Zionists ... Nazi's


There has never been a true communist country on this planet, and we have been trained to hate the very idea.

True communism means everyone is equal.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 06:15 AM
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Come on now zero there are only four directions.

There is infinite number of directions. Out of those, this thread choose a certain one. Nothing wrong with that though,as long as it is civil.
Karl Marx is a Jew. While he was not first Socialist nor created that philosophy, he is certainly father of modern Communism. However he based his ideas not on Judaism (he was a baptized atheist that claimed that religion is opium for the masses) but on Western philosophers and Western economic theories.
I can understand the claim that Jew Karl Marx created modern Communism. Author claiming that Jews in general (or Khazarian Jews in particular) were the carriers of Socialism/Communism ideas trying to subvertly implement those is just as wrong as stating that Jews control all the banks. Vast majority of Jews do not own or even work in a bank ,nor is majority of banks worldiwde owned by Jews.
Another example - Einstein is father of general relativity theory. Lots of people claim that he is the father of modern physics - though i think that it is debatable. Are Jews carriers and "spreaders" of general relativity theory or modern physics? I am not so sure - let me look at my grades in physics and quickly hide those again in shame.
I hope you understand what i am trying to say.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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My intention is not to spread hate, but to find truth.

This is great. I'll be glad to give you my perspective, though i 100% acknowledge that it is subjective and could be farther from the absolute truth then what you know or from what the others know. It is up to an individual himself to reach a conclusion.


1) A lot of the problems we face in the western world seem to stem from an American-Israeli group from each of your governments. Not the people, but the governments. (and as a UK person I know exactly how often our government happily goes along with so much of it.)

This is a bit to general. There all kinds of problems in the Western world, so i do not know what specifically you contribute to US-Israeli group.
All i can say is that if you look at history there were always wars, economic problems, plagues, floods, famines. In Western world, Eastern world and all the other worlds. It does not mean (nor justify) US-Israeli group from creating that specific one, but again - since i do not know what is/are that/those problem/s in details , i just want to say that people have a tendency to distort facts to fit an agenda.
To take black plague problem (a pretty big problem in Western world and beyond if we compare it to current ones, i hope you agree) as an example - there were people who blamed Jews on starting that plague and poisoning the wells too. Scapegoat approach (ritual originating from Judaism itself which is pretty ironic in my opinion) during crysises is built in social behavior in all the societies and during all generations.


I then researched with the idea that Zionism at government levels, didn't care much about the people, but was instead more bothered about creating problems and wars, whilst at the same time making things in the western world increasingly repressive for us as people. Living in the UK, the country that created a lot of these problems and which is still as far as I can tell, through groups like the Rothschild bankers and others, is still perpetuating them, I'm familiar with this stuff to an extent.

Zionism is about return of Jews to their own state. It has nothing to do with making Western world more repressive or creating problems/wars.
Napoleonic wars were about Zionism? Inquistion was about Zionism? WW1 was about Zionism? Irish problems in UK in 20th century and before those were about Zionism? WW2 was about Zionism?
In my opinion it is nothing more then forcing non-connected facts into a template due to a certain pre-existing agenda. Not basing that agenda on carefully analysed facts as is the way to go.
Rotchilds are rich old powerful family that has its own intersts and places those above interests of all the others - yes i think so. Just as all old rich powerful faimiles, and i am sure that British empire with rich history of both aristocracy and merchantilism gave birth to quite a few.


I then found the page I linked to in the first post, and the only reason I carried on reading it was because it was written by a Jew. I thought, well, this guy is Jewish, so what reason would he have to tarnish and create lies about his own people?

Jews are just like all other people - there are murderers, liars, thiefs, sociopaths, good people, moral people ,saints and ctr.
And all have their own opinion. As for that specific guy - he surely has his own reasons, i do not know what they are. He hates state of Israel, this is clear - but this is not a problem as far as i am concerned. How or why it developed into trying to demonise all Ashkenazi Jews (while as i can see from his family name he clearly is one) - i do not know. Maybe he converted to other religion and it was a way to rationalise it to himself. Maybe he had personal issues. Maybe he knows something i don't.
Finally -i do not even know if he existed. In all my searches on the net i can find zero info about him, except that he conviniently "was assasinated by Mossad".
Where he was born? Where he was "assasinated"? When he was "assasinated"? Maybe his wife Ziva knows more stuff? It is all very vague. I am not saying that it is a fake - there are real facts on Israeli life that show to me that whoever wrote it lived for a very brief period in Israel. But i see no reason to trust that it was written by Jew and not by dissapointed (say, by that Ziva) volunteer in that Kibbutz.
I could be wrong on all that though. Will be glad if someone will shed more light on the writer - maybe then the motives will be clearer.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 07:52 AM
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People can say it's the military, it's the governments, it's the illuminati, etc. But there's something deeper to all this, that we, as a group of people here to try and deny ignorance and find the truth, should see as our responsibility to pursue.

I think that there always were/are powerful groups of people that try to promote thwir agenda. But i do no agree withthe idea that there is one shadow group that rules them all , whether it via Sauron's eye or illuminaty one or a Zionist one. There are simply too much different interests/egos involved. Look at the politics - all the parties might be a vale hiding true "rulers", but the social dynamics are the same. There are intrigues, different groups, influencing lobbies, buddies, enemies - all in the same political party.
Plus, the world was much "larger" in the previous centuries.600 years ago secret group of influencing individuals in Chinese empire could not merge or even coordinate things with secret influential group in ,say, British empire.
World kept getting smaller allowing faster coomunication,eventually even direct one - but it was still communication between those different groups due to clearly different interests that developed over that time of lack of contact.
And even now those groups cannot be united, due to abovementioned piranha-like behaviour in positions of power.
So in my opinion all the world a stage, and even those powerful groups are nothing more then players.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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Jews have been thrown out of over 100 countries worldwide. They are the banksters charging interest on money and enslaving the world. Mind you, not ALL jews are really jews anyway. But they as a general populus have been a scourge on society.

Yeah, this is the direction the thread is going in.
Tell me, oh wise one, all Jews were/are banksters? Or "only not realy Jewish" lol.
Scourge on society, you say - i say that hating bigots like you were and are the scourge on society.



The facts are since the Rothschilds, the world has become more enslaved than ever.

The facts are that you lie. Ever heard about Feudalism? I know that it is a big word - but try to look at it in your spare (of hating) time.
Serf is a free hint.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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From what I have read the Jews didnot like Jesus at all, and an Ashkenazi Jew or Zionist could easily trick the Jews into following them.

Yup. It is good that out of 12 apostoles only Judah was Jewish... Oh, wait - almost all were Jewish. And here is another fact - almost all first Christians were Jewish too. Funny world .isn't it?
Not to mention that devision into Sephardi or Ashkenazi groups did not exist then, there were other devisions but not that one.



I have also read that Adolf Hitler was the grandson of a Rothschild, an Ashkenazi Jew family so maybe the Nazi party, and the Zionists are the same people.

Yeah. You read wrong. First, the rumors of Hitler having a Jewish grandfather are just that. rumors. Secondly - even in those rumors it is not Rotchild ,third - National Socialist (Nazi) party had hundreds of thousands of members. Hitler aside.




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