Originally posted by flexy123
Originally posted by Human_Alien
You think everyone believes Ed Walters is a fraud? You're trying so hard aren't you?
Well i was just about to say i read/heard about the Gulf Breeze case when you were likely not born yet, but since you stated your age earlier i would be wrong doing so
Uhm...no, not "everyone" believes Ed Walters is a fraud, i myself did not know what to think when i read those books years ago...but given the EVIDENCE now i think we can safely assume that he was, in fact, a fraud.
But of course, there will always be those who will counter with another "conspiracy" how he was duped etc..etc..
But that's not the point. It's simply not smart trying to prove one theory with another story which is AT LEAST as flaky, if not outright proven to be a hoax.
You are the typical example of that sort of UFO enthusiast which STRONGLY leans in one, biased direction, almost incapable to discern between hoax, fake etc...and then demanding "proof" from anyone questioning the legitimacy of the "proof". (Instead of vice versa that the obligation for the proof should really be with those making the claims).
So...let's say i give you 10.000 UFO cases where 9.990 of them can easily proven bogus, hoaxes or whatever, and instead of concentrating on the remaining 10 "good" cases which would deserve that people look at them.... you would rather prefer to take all 10.000 and assume beforehand that EACH of them might be legit. Do you think this would get you anywhere?
No sir. You're wrong about my assessment and abilities.
I take everything at face value at first. I don't start out with a grudge, a mission or an agenda.
I know there are a LOT of cases/videos/photos/books and stories that are completely fabricated. I'm not brain-dead.
I've followed Ed Walters case since it happened. I was also a member of MUFON.
I have every reason under the sky to believe him. The model that was purportedly found was the thing that was proven to be a hoax.
As far a YouTube cases by anonymous posters? I give it the same benefit of consideration.
And although I'm not a computer engineer nor a professional photo analysis....I go by impression and contents.
I think there are more 'hoaxers' on ATS who pretend to 'know' what's what than there are people trying to fool us.
We have a bunch of members, who are nothing but a bunch of strangers playing arm-chair know-it-alls, who can either write well (thus have the ability to impress us) or break things down convincingly.
But at the end of the day, unless there is PROOF like CGI or photo manipulation or a close up of the logo that says: "Made in China"......we all basically relying on our opinions and impressions.
I trust less people on here than I do on YouTube.
And unlike many, I do NOT toss out my 'opinion' as fact.