To all NON AMERICANS, would you feel safer if your country allowed its citizens to carry/own guns?, page 3


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reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 12:55 PM by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by intrepid



Two things:

I'm dyslexic and often misread things.

And there were a few generalizations in this thread about Americans that bugged me, so I thought I'd respond to that.



reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 01:33 PM by BenReclused
reply to post by 4hero


Just so everyone knows, I am a citizen of the United States.

Criminals will always get guns, but they need to be taken away from most people.

Are you really suggesting that criminals should be the only ones that have guns?

See ya,
Milt


reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 01:37 PM by BenReclused
reply to post by Samuelis


In Australia, those three men are unarmed and will run if you come at them with a cricket bat. It's possible for a society to protect themselves without using deadly force.

How well do you reckon a cricket bat would work against someone with a shotgun? Aren't shotguns and rifles legal in Australia?

See ya,
Milt


reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 01:55 PM by BenReclused
reply to post by Trolloks


If they were legal many more people would have them, and the ammo, and with this, a huge increase in gang violence that result in death, robberies at gun point, shop hold ups, etc etc.

We have lots of firearms here in the United States, and considering your comment, I'd be interested in hearing why the United Kingdom has a higher rate of violent crime than the United States. Hell, it's even worse than South Africa according to this article. If you feel that article isn't accurate, please explain why.

See ya,
Milt


reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:06 PM by Trolloks
reply to post by BenReclused



It's the daily mail, i don't need to say much more.


reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:09 PM by Maxatoria
reply to post by BenReclused



alot depends on how crimes are reported as in one country an act could be considered violent while in another country it would be classed as a misdemenour and don't forget the uk police is in a row with the governement over funding so the more crime reported = more need to have more police officers which means senior cops get more money for managing larger forces.


reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:13 PM by BenReclused
reply to post by Trolloks


And the reason the police in USA have guns in the first place, is because the public have guns.

That is NOT an accurate statement! The police here in the United States are armed with firearms because CRIMINALS have guns. That's also the primary reason our law abiding public feels there is a need to own handguns as well.

See ya,
Milt


reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:28 PM by Trolloks
Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to
post by Trolloks


And the reason the police in USA have guns in the first place, is because the public have guns.

That is NOT an accurate statement! The police here in the United States are armed with firearms because CRIMINALS have guns. That's also the primary reason our law abiding public feels there is a need to own handguns as well.

See ya,
Milt


Take a look at my previous post, where i clearly wrote out the point that the police have guns because they need to enforce the law against other people with guns. Paradox or stupidity, you make your choice.

If you're using th Daily Mail as a source, well the integrity of your post is lost. It's the British version of fox news, anyone without a British passport/low-wages/non-white/immegrant should be in jail according to them.
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reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:33 PM by Trolloks
reply to post by BenReclused



Also, in the UK we have armed police, to tackle gun related crime. Not every police officer has a gun, only specialy trained police, and because of that, less people feel the need to carry a weapon.

If every police officer in the UK had a gun, well lets just say that the summer riots of last year would of been alot more bloody.


reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:37 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by BenReclused



I guess it could depend on what criteria are used to define 'violent crime', got to be the same everywhere for a realistic comparison.

And anyway, that's just more reason why NOT to loosen our gun control laws - how many of them 'violent crimes' would result in gun crime if they were armed?
My guess is quite a few.

What you got to realise is that the UK is quite different to the USA.
And we don't WANT or NEED easier access to guns.

Those that want or need guns can easily obtain and use them providing certain regulations are met.

Pretty straight forward really.

I don't really care what you do in the USA, that's your business - just don't rabbit on about it to us Non-Americans who are quite happy with the way things are thank you very much.


reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:47 PM by blupblup
reply to post by Freeborn





I swear to god mate.... how many times have we been in these threads about guns?

How many times have we had this argument? (UK/US)




reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:55 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by blupblup



I know mate - they just don't seem to get the fact that we don't care about what they do over the pond, that's their business.

But it's different over here - different culture, different psyche - we don't need or want any relaxation of our gun laws.

The world doesn't want to be a replica of the USA.
The USA isn't the centre of the world.
Now get over it, carry on doing as you please in your country and we'll carry on doing things as we see fit over here.

What could be any easier or straight forward?

So straight forward I really don't get what the issue is.


reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 03:00 PM by blupblup
reply to post by Freeborn





It know dude, seems pretty straight forward.



Then again, maybe we should adopt the practice...


Maybe we should all go around with with explosive belts/suicide vests strapped to us, ya know, just in case we chance across a terrorist who has one?


That's basically the logic used




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