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It's the daily mail, i don't need to say much more.
alot depends on how crimes are reported as in one country an act could be considered violent while in another country it would be classed as a misdemenour and don't forget the uk police is in a row with the governement over funding so the more crime reported = more need to have more police officers which means senior cops get more money for managing larger forces.
Isn't that all a bit stupid though?
So everyone has guns because everyone else has guns?
Do you not see the flaw?
And the reason the police in USA have guns in the first place, is because the public have guns.
Take a look at my previous post, where i clearly wrote out the point that the police have guns because they need to enforce the law against other people with guns. Paradox or stupidity, you make your choice.
If you're using th Daily Mail as a source, well the integrity of your post is lost.
Also, in the UK we have armed police, to tackle gun related crime. Not every police officer has a gun, only specialy trained police, and because of that, less people feel the need to carry a weapon.
If every police officer in the UK had a gun, well lets just say that the summer riots of last year would of been alot more bloody.
Originally posted by Sly1one
American here, this entire thread for the most part is a prime example of why I won't ever subscribe to any social government. Morons making decisions based on their own "opinions" that directly and indirectly effect my life, my families life and my ability to protect myself and my family and survive OTHER types of morons.
This thread is why I hate when people of any ilk speak on my behalf...EVER. This thread is why I for the most part believe in isolationism and independence over all any and all other forms of "livelihood"
I don't think any self righteous holier than thou, fix the world, ignorant, arrogant, utopian brainwashed fool(s) should be able to have ANY say at ALL about how I am allowed to live on this earth so long as I AM NOT exploiting or interfering with other's ability to do the same...and owning a gun is not interfering with anyone's else livelihood.
Using it however might, but you just have to trust that I won't...if you don't trust me, that's fine, I don't trust you either...and that's why I own a gun.
The notion that removing guns will decrease crime is a fallacy as once guns are removed as a "prime weapon" something else will replace it...knives etc...once knives are outlawed, it will be clubs, once clubs are outlawed it will be rocks, once rocks are outlawed it will be fists and feet, and once were all left unarmed and unlegged by those above self righteous holier than thou, fix the world, ignorant, arrogant, Utopian brainwashed fools we won't be able to feed ourselves and will be left without a leg to stand on...
as other posters have said, if you want to take away my guns you better be willing to kill me with one to do so...and at that point you are nothing but a hypocrite
The Quill is mightier than the sword
Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839
To be frank the impression I get is that some of our US posters would like the opportunity to be in such a situation so they could kill somebody with a weapon and call it self defence - which gun ownership would allow.
Originally posted by juleol
Originally posted by tetriswoooo
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff
i would feel safer if everyone had guns because the people who want guns for malicious activities WILL get their hands on them i would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it (im australian and i dont have one unfortunatley)
Yet Norway is a perfect example that this theory is not exactly true. The only real shootings we had here was that incident with Brevik. Otherwise gun deaths are extremely low and most murders are actually done using different measures like people being stabbed to death, which is nowhere as lethal and has a very low range.
I do understand how Americans want to keep their gun rights though and doubt criminals would hand in their guns if they were banned.
Also I think an armed population could be a good thing once # really hits the fan so that the people can fight back against governments that is not in the best interest of the people.
But that gun laws here has saved life there is no question about. When you have hardly any guns circulating around it is even hard for criminals to get hold of them.
I personally have not even seen a real gun here in Norway as not even police are allowed to wear arms unless there is a special situation.edit on 9-4-2012 by juleol because: (no reason given)