Americans Bombed Pearl Harbor With Airplanes Designed To Look Japanese

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by 1BornPatriot

 

Theres no reason why he or anyone else would'nt think they were japanese planes.But,i think they were either purchased from japan before the war,or they were secretly built by americans in hawaii or wherever,using japanese blue prints,obtained through direct purchase,or by means of espionage...

edit on 17-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

You keep repeating these phrases and yet you still have 0% proof.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


A two-stage V2? I stand corrected. So, not delaying our entry into that war any longer prevented them from perfecting their two-stage V2, along with further developments of their atomic bomb program, jet program, and who knows what else. Maybe that nasty V3 gun, too.

reply to post by blocula


Bloc the Americans bombed japan and the jap's got their arses kicked , and thats a rap..

Originally posted by nodoubt
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

A two-stage V2? I stand corrected. So, not delaying our entry into that war any longer prevented them from perfecting their two-stage V2, along with further developments of their atomic bomb program, jet program, and who knows what else. Maybe that nasty V3 gun, too.

There was very little danger from the German atomic programme. Don't forget that Einstein's theorems were forbidden to them as they came under the disgusting epithet of 'Jewish physics' plus it's possible that Heisenberg was either deliberately slowing things down or had misunderstood some key pieces of information. The V3 supergun was never going to work - the projectiles kept toppling. If you want an excellent book on the scientific war behind WW2 I recommend a book called Most Secret War by Professor RV Jones. It's superb.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
The V3 supergun was never going to work - the projectiles kept toppling.

While not really on topic, I feel I need to disagree.

Wiki

An advanced prototype actually saw action in WWII. Evolution of this concept was apparently also feasible:

Gerald Bull

reply to post by buddhasystem
No matter what technologically advanced weapon that any country invented and designed and then produced and put into action,the nation who was able to invent,successfully test and accurately deploy the first atom bomb,was ultimately destined to become the victors of world war two and the peace time global super power as well and we all know who that was,for a few years anyways...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

No matter what technologically advanced weapon that any country invented and designed and then produced and put into action,the nation who was able to invent,successfully test and accurately deploy the first atom bomb,was ultimately destined to become the victors of world war two and the peace time global super power as well and we all know who that was,for a few years anyways...

edit on 29-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

By the way, you do realise that the US couldn't have built the Atomic bomb by 1945 without British help don't you? Thought not...

reply to post by AngryCymraeg
Did you know that the usa could have taken over the entire middle east between late 1945 through 1948 without firing a shot?

It would have been as simple as going from country to country and saying "sign these papers,or else" and whatever slight military resistance that some of the middle eastern countries back then might have tried to use against us,would have been easily and severely crushed by the american armed forces,who were already in europe and the far east in their millions...

Because for those few very vital years,only america posessed atomic weapons and we could have and should have gained control of the oil and gasoline across the entire middle eastern region...

Then we would be setting their prices and reaping their overflowing reserves and we wouldnt have to continuously suck up to the muslims and adhere to their perpetual domination that they exercise over that most important commodity,the worlds fossil fuels...

But we didnt do what should have been done and now we are trapped within a wasps nest of inflation and ever increasing desperation for oil and gasoline and we have been for a long time now...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

Did you know that the usa could have taken over the entire middle east between late 1945 through 1948 without firing a shot?

It would have been as simple as going from country to country and saying "sign these papers,or else" and whatever slight military resistance that some of the middle eastern countries back then might have tried to use against us,would have been easily and severely crushed by the american armed forces,who were already in europe and the far east in their millions...

Because for those few very vital years,only america posessed atomic weapons and we could have and should have gained control of the oil and gasoline across the entire middle eastern region...

Then we would be setting their prices and reaping their overflowing reserves and we wouldnt have to continuously suck up to the muslims and adhere to their perpetual domination that they exercise over that most important commodity,the worlds fossil fuels...

But we didnt do what should have been done and now we are trapped within a wasps nest of inflation and ever increasing desperation for oil and gasoline and we have been for a long time now...

edit on 30-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

So, you want the US to be in a total mess right now, with Islamic terrorists all over the place taking potshots at the troops? Hoo boy, are you serious?

Originally posted by blocula
Because for those few very vital years,only america posessed atomic weapons and we could have and should have gained control of the oil and gasoline across the entire middle eastern region...

Then we would be setting their prices and reaping their overflowing reserves and we wouldnt have to continuously suck up to the muslims and adhere to their perpetual domination that they exercise over that most important commodity,the worlds fossil fuels...

But we didnt do what should have been done and now we are trapped within a wasps nest of inflation and ever increasing desperation for oil and gasoline and we have been for a long time now...

Yeah, because everyone knows Imperialism is a good idea

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
Something thats not well known and not often discussed,is the fact that during ww-2,britain invaded iraq in may 1941 and britain and russia both simultaneously invaded iran in august-september 1941...

Anglo Iraqi War > en.wikipedia.org...

Anglo Soviet Invasion Of Iran > en.wikipedia.org...

Why didnt japan occupy pearl harbor after they attacked? especially when knowing that they sent in troops to occupy just about everywhere else they attacked,most likely,its because they never attacked pearl harbor...

Why didnt japan inform their war allies italy and germany of their intentions to attack pearl harbor and make them aware of the dire consequences that the attack would cause? most likely,its because japan didnt attack pearl harbor...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

 

Something thats not well known and not often discussed,is the fact that during ww-2,britain invaded iraq in may 1941 and britain and russia both simultaneously invaded iran in august-september 1941...

...and those occupations didn't really fare that well in the long run for Britain and the Soviets.

In the case of the British in Iraq, it was just another form of Imperialism, a concept that stopped being viable by the mid 20th century. It just took too much effort and resources on Britain's part to support and sustain a pro-British regime in a country that did not want one.

In the case of the British and Soviets in Iraq, it started as a way to ensure that the allied forces would have the oil they need to continue fighting WWII. However, as the war ended, it became less evident that the British and Soviets had a good reason for continuing to occupy Iraq. Under pressure after WWII, the British and Soviets eventually ended their occupation (again, Britain found it difficult to continue its former imperialist ways).

The Soviets went on for the next 40 years imposing their own brand of "Imperialism" throughout eastern Europe with some limited early success, but eventually their brand of imperialism became too unwieldy for them, and their whole Empire collapsed by 1989. That's another indication of how Imperialism is unsustainable in today's world.

So I don't see that the U.S. using nuclear threats in an imperialistic manner to squeeze cheap oil from the oil-rich middle east would have been a successful tactic in the long run.

Originally posted by blocula
Why didnt japan occupy pearl harbor after they attacked? especially when knowing that they sent in troops to occupy just about everywhere else they attacked,most likely,its because they never attacked pearl harbor...

Why didnt japan inform their war allies italy and germany of their intentions to attack pearl harbor and make them aware of the dire consequences that the attack would cause? most likely,its because japan didnt attack pearl harbor...

(Sigh...) You really are astonishly badly informed aren't you? The whole point of hitting the US Pacific Fleet in Pearl Harbour was to stop it from interfering in South-East Asia, where the Japanese were going after the natural resources of the Dutch East Indies, Borneo and Malaya. They needed a vast amount of shipping to transport the troops for that, so they just didn't have enough left to attach Hawaii. They would have needed at least 3-4 Divisions. They just didn't have the shipping. So - an air attack, yes. An amphibious attack, hell no.
As for the internal dynamics of the Axis I think you are equally badly informed there. Mussolini didn't even tell Hitler beforehand that he was attacking Greece. What makes you think that the Japanese would be the slightest bit different?
Try reading some books.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
Why didnt japan occupy pearl harbor after they attacked? especially when knowing that they sent in troops to occupy just about everywhere else they attacked,most likely,its because they never attacked pearl harbor...

Why didnt japan inform their war allies italy and germany of their intentions to attack pearl harbor and make them aware of the dire consequences that the attack would cause? most likely,its because japan didnt attack pearl harbor...

(Sigh...) You really are astonishly badly informed aren't you?

I've read around 150 non fiction books about world war two and so i'm very well informed and the reason why hitler declared war against the usa,is because the usa declared war against japan after they (supposedly) attacked pearl harbor and that was done because nazi germany was upholding their part of the pact that was made between themselves,italy and japan and so exactly why did japan not inform germany or italy about their dire intentions of attacking pearl harbor? Because they didnt attack pearl harbor,imo...

The 68th anniversary of the d-day normandy landings is today (remember the horrible and brutal opening scenes from the movie saving private ryan 1998?) and how many people really care? how many of us actually give a damn about all those thousands of (forgotten more and more every year) allied soldiers who were killed on this date,being maimed and crippled and dying for our freedoms back in 1944,freedoms that so many of us here and now thoughtlessly take for granted?

Originally posted by blocula
I've read around 150 non fiction books about world war two and so i'm very well informed and the reason why hitler declared war against the usa,is because the usa declared war against japan after they (supposedly) attacked pearl harbor and that was done because nazi germany was upholding their part of the pact that was made between themselves,italy and japan and so exactly why did japan not inform germany or italy about their dire intentions of attacking pearl harbor? Because they didnt attack pearl harbor,imo...

I suggest that you read more books, or go back re-read the ones that you have read, because you've obviously failed to understand some key facts. The Axis was not a set in stone alliance. Hitler declared war on the USA because he thought that the Japanese would win. He despised the USA because he was a rascist, badly-informed, piece of ignorant filth. He was never under any obligation to declare war on the US after the Japanese Empire declared war on the US.
May I also remind you that Hitler did not give the Japanese Government any details of Operation Barbarossa. Why should the Japanese have told Germany about the attack on Pearl Harbour therefore?
(May I also add that this is still a ludicrously one-sided thread. Aren't you getting tired of people slapping you down with facts yet?)

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
I've read around 150 non fiction books about world war two and so i'm very well informed and the reason why hitler declared war against the usa,is because the usa declared war against japan after they (supposedly) attacked pearl harbor and that was done because nazi germany was upholding their part of the pact that was made between themselves,italy and japan and so exactly why did japan not inform germany or italy about their dire intentions of attacking pearl harbor? Because they didnt attack pearl harbor,imo...

I suggest that you read more books, or go back re-read the ones that you have read, because you've obviously failed to understand some key facts. The Axis was not a set in stone alliance. Hitler declared war on the USA because he thought that the Japanese would win. He despised the USA because he was a rascist, badly-informed, piece of ignorant filth. He was never under any obligation to declare war on the US after the Japanese Empire declared war on the US.
May I also remind you that Hitler did not give the Japanese Government any details of Operation Barbarossa. Why should the Japanese have told Germany about the attack on Pearl Harbour therefore?
(May I also add that this is still a ludicrously one-sided thread. Aren't you getting tired of people slapping you down with facts yet?)

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22

 

Lets see,non-fiction books that i have read,world war-1 about 25 books, world war-2 about 150 books, vietnam war about 20 books, civil war about 10 books, napoleonic wars about 10 books, ufos and aliens about 100 books, haunted houses and ghosts about 50 books, lake and sea monsters about 20 books, bigfoot about 25 books, astronomy about 20 books, motion pictures about 75 books, popular music about 50 books, unexplained mysteries about 25 books, poltergeists about 10 books, demonic posession about 10 books, modern crime and mafia about 30 books, science about 30 books, human psychology about 10 books, ancient roman empire about 10 books, mongol conquests about 5 books, korean war about 10 books, incorruptible saints about 3 books, religious miracles about 3 books, wars between spain, england, france and germany during the middle ages about 20 books, painting and drawing about 50 books, ancient greeks about 5 books, the black death about 10 books, quantum physics about 5 books, time travel theory about 5 books, simulated reality about 3 books, aztecs, mayans and toltecs about 10 books, egyptian pyramids and ancient egypt about 10 books, psychics, mediums and prophets about 20 books, genocide about 15 books, weather anomalies about 5 books, earthquakes,tsunamis and volcanic eryptions about 20 books extinction events about 5 books, asteroid and comets about 15 books, cold war about 5 books, military weapons about 25 books...i could go on and on..

please noo no more sci -fi bloc just the facts......

Originally posted by denver22
please noo no more sci -fi bloc just the facts......

edit on 24 4 2012 by denver22 because: (no reason given)

Facts? BLASPHEMER!!!!

reply to post by AngryCymraeg
What the vast majority of mainstream people,especially americans thoroughly brainwashed by nationalistic pride and blinded by war mongering patriotism,automatically and robotically accept as facts,are actually believing force fed half truths and total lies,designed to warp and twist history, intentionally suppressing and denying what really happened...