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Americans Bombed Pearl Harbor With Airplanes Designed To Look Japanese

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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by DenyObfuscation
 
I suppose tptb could accuse any regular jane and joe nobody of just about anything they wanted to and tptb could easily railroad them straight into prison,especially if they didnt have enough money to buy their way out,like the political elites who live beyond the reach of their own laws and the drug addicted false idols of hollywood are able to do...


So, in principle what is the difference? You believe you've shown it's possible. That is all. If they were to show it was possible that YOU masterminded the attacks, by your own standard of evidence you are guilty. You can't have this both ways and your failure to comprehend this simple fact is quite sad to say the least.

IMO, you have a grave misconception as to the purpose of Skunkworks. While speculation without any corroborating evidence is embraced, your wild accusations asserted as fact are completely irresponsible and shameful. I like the idea of this forum when used to kick around theories with others to see if together you can bring the pieces of a puzzle together, but at times it appears to be your personal haven for slander.




posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:03 AM
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Your theory isn't set that far apart from others.

I could speculate just as easily as you (and with the same amount of evidence) that it was the Russians who bombed Pearl Harbor. They did it because they wanted the U.S. in the war. They knew that if the U.S. got involved in the war, they would also join the war in Europe, thus causing the Germans to spread their military too thinly across another front (western Europe), thereby helping the Russians by weakening the German forces on the Russian Front.


good theory, however, actually it was the germans who bombed pearl harbour with japanese planes. Because they were sick of the americans supplying armaments to the enemy but not declaring war. there was also the assassination attempt by german officers on hitler which proves without a doubt that it was the nazis who brought the US into the war. but since they want the americans to attack japan for not helping to attack russia, they decided to paint their planes in japanese warpaint and attack pearl harbour.

i am absolutely convinced that this is the truth the evidence is everywhere, i cannot believe you sheeple believe it was the russians/blocula/americans themselves who bombed pearl harbour when its clear as day that it was the germans.


bloc, just learning your enlightened ways.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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Theres one huge difference between my theory,which is totally backed up with solid possibilities and very plausible scenarios and your proposed alternate theory,thats sarcastically denying everything i've said in this thread...

I have explained how every single aspect of the attack and bombing of pearl harbor could have been orchestrated and carried out by the american military and government...

Can you do the same with the german military?

I prefer searching for the truth,as opposed to living a lie...

I realize that its very difficult and virtually impossible for most people to admit to themselves that they have been lied to and deceived on such a massive scale for so long...

I realize that its painfully frightening to think that tptb who perpetrated this murderous act against their own people (for war profit and world power) in 1941,are still in control of us,are still dominating us and were still killing us in 2001 and beyond...



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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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I realize that its painfully frightening to think that tptb who perpetrated this murderous act against their own people (for war profit and world power) in 1941,are still in control of us,are still dominating us and are still killing us in 2001...


Excuse me, but it is now 2012.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by choos
 
Theres one huge difference between my theory,which is totally backed up with solid possibilities and very plausible scenarios and your proposed alternate theory,thats sarcastically denying everything i've said in this thread...

I have explained how every single aspect of the attack and bombing of pearl harbor could have been orchestrated and carried out by the american military and government...

Can you do the same with the german military?


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Yes, bloc. yes i can, i have provided multiple reasons to why they would orchestrate the attack, i have provided solid possibilities and a very plausible scenario. The germans wanted japan to attack russia, so russia will have 2 fronts but the japanese wanted oil and expanded south instead, as retribution to this failure, the germans orchestrated pearl harbour, which inevitably lead to the dropping of the 2 nukes on japan all planned by hitler himself. why else would the germans be designing such weapons?

ask yourself now, which story holds more water? yours or mine?



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by choos
 
Theres one huge difference between my theory,which is totally backed up with solid possibilities and very plausible scenarios and your proposed alternate theory,thats sarcastically denying everything i've said in this thread...

I have explained how every single aspect of the attack and bombing of pearl harbor could have been orchestrated and carried out by the american military and government...

Can you do the same with the german military?

I prefer searching for the truth,as opposed to living a lie...

I realize that its very difficult and virtually impossible for most people to admit to themselves that they have been lied to and deceived on such a massive scale for so long...

I realize that its painfully frightening to think that tptb who perpetrated this murderous act against their own people (for war profit and world power) in 1941,are still in control of us,are still dominating us and were still killing us in 2001 and beyond...



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Note the use of ther word 'possibilities' instead of 'proof'. Which is because you have no proof and this entire thread is worthless. And very, very offensive. But also funny!



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by blocula
 



I realize that its painfully frightening to think that tptb who perpetrated this murderous act against their own people (for war profit and world power) in 1941,are still in control of us,are still dominating us and are still killing us in 2001...


Excuse me, but it is now 2012.
Thats why i said 2001 "and beyond"...
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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 01:23 AM
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Now you edited your post, yes you do.

However, when he quoted you, you didn't actually say that, did you?

I may be skirting the T&C's here, but I doubt any will find fault in this, but you Blocula are an outright liar.

You have been caught out not only in the multitude of total bollocks topics you have written, but even when trying to avoid answering direct questions you can't help but continue to lie.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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Somewhere around 20 pages back,it was mentioned several times how there would have been a lot of men on board the two american aircraft carriers,helping to launch the airplanes that attacked and bombed pearl harbor and surely some of them,sooner or later,would have went public,would have talked about what they had been involved with...

Well when your within any branch of the american military,especially during a world war,world war 2,you go exactly where your assigned to go anywhere in the world and you do exactly what your ordered to do once you get there and court martial,military prison and even death by firing squad, awaits anyone who refuses to comply...

And so lets say there were 200 men onboard the american aircraft carriers,100 for each carrier,who were well aware,who had direct and implicit involvement,who knew precisely what they were doing against their own people and who were not ordered to stay deep inside the ship and lets say that a few weeks or months later,every single one of those same 200 men,just happened to be stationed onboard another american ship,that just happened to be sailing far out at sea somewhere,that just happened to have been torpedoed by submarine,or bombed from high altitude and just happened to sink to the bottom of the ocean and just happened to go down within the oceans unforgiving abyss, with all lives lost into their watery graves...

Then they all would have been forever silenced,then there wouldnt be any regular servicemen left alive to say anything about the nefarious part they played during the american government and its military high commands sinister false flagged attack on pearl harbor and none of us would ever know what really happened to them...


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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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I think you know too much about how this was allegedly carried out. It's a very real possibility that you orchestrated this attack. Can you prove you're not a time travelling treasonous #?

Your persistent assertions that possibility and plausible scenario equate to evidence in the affirmative demonstrate you're arrival at the pinnacle of ignorance.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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We're not doubting that your hypothesis is "within the realm of possibility", but there are other hypotheses that are also equally within the realm of possibility. That means your hypothesis is just one of many, and therefore is not necessarily "The Truth".



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
Somewhere around 20 pages back,it was mentioned several times how there would have been a lot of men on board the two american aircraft carriers,helping to launch the airplanes that attacked and bombed pearl harbor and surely some of them,sooner or later,would have went public,would have talked about what they had been involved with...

Well when your within any branch of the american military,especially during a world war,world war 2,you go exactly where your assigned to go anywhere in the world and you do exactly what your ordered to do once you get there and court martial,military prison and even death by firing squad, awaits anyone who refuses to comply...

And so lets say there were 200 men onboard the american aircraft carriers,100 for each carrier,who were well aware,who had direct and implicit involvement,who knew precisely what they were doing against their own people and who were not ordered to stay deep inside the ship and lets say that a few weeks or months later,every single one of those same 200 men,just happened to be stationed onboard another american ship,that just happened to be sailing far out at sea somewhere,that just happened to have been torpedoed by submarine,or bombed from high altitude and just happened to sink to the bottom of the ocean and just happened to go down within the oceans unforgiving abyss, with all lives lost into their watery graves...

Then they all would have been forever silenced,then there wouldnt be any regular servicemen left alive to say anything about the nefarious part they played during the american government and its military high commands sinister false flagged attack on pearl harbor and none of us would ever know what really happened to them...


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More arrant rubbish, as 2 US carriers cannot hold the same number of planes that the 6 Japanese carriers did. As I proved earlier. The laughter's getting louder by the way.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by blocula
Well when your within any branch of the american military,especially during a world war,world war 2,you go exactly where your assigned to go anywhere in the world and you do exactly what your ordered to do once you get there and court martial,military prison and even death by firing squad, awaits anyone who refuses to comply...

I believe 99% of American forces would NOT obey a command to bomb, attack, or kill our own troops on our own sovereign soil.


Originally posted by blocula
And so lets say there were 200 men onboard the american aircraft carriers,100 for each carrier,who were well aware,who had direct and implicit involvement,who knew precisely what they were doing against their own people and who were not ordered to stay deep inside the ship and lets say that a few weeks or months later,every single one of those same 200 men,just happened to be stationed onboard another american ship,that just happened to be sailing far out at sea somewhere,that just happened to have been torpedoed by submarine,or bombed from high altitude and just happened to sink to the bottom of the ocean and just happened to go down within the oceans unforgiving abyss, with all lives lost into their watery graves...

Then they all would have been forever silenced,then there wouldnt be any regular servicemen left alive to say anything about the nefarious part they played during the american government and its military high commands sinister false flagged attack on pearl harbor and none of us would ever know what really happened to them...

All you have done is stated a bunch of "what if's" such as: What if . . . lets say the Easter Bunny order, bribed, coerced, threatened, Santa Claus to place a bomb in each stocking hung by the chimney with care. What if . . . lets say Santa got all his elves to make these bombs and load them on his slay. What if . . . lets say Santa delivered all those toys and bombs on Christmas eve. What if . . . lets say the Easter Bunny then ordered Santa and his elves to take a vacation on a tropical Island and then had Jack Frost drop a Nuclear bomb on the island.

Maybe that's why Santa hasn't visited me these past 50 years. Oh, wow, that's it, Santa doesn't exist anymore because they were all blown to pieces by Jack Frost and the Easter Bunny. Look, I'm thinking outside the box. We've been thoroughly deceived. We have to rewrite history. They Easter Bunny and Jack Frost are evil.

Just because you can take something and say "What if" does not mean that it has any truth in it. You have to provided evidence, which you have not done in any shape or form. All you have is conjecture that holds no value.

Conjecture
1. Inference or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
2. A statement, opinion, or conclusion based on guesswork:
The Free Dictionary

Give it up, blocula, you have totally lost this debate.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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We dont know now and those americans at pearl harbor didnt know then,exactly how many airplanes were attacking them and i'll bet that no one on the ground or in the air saw more than 10 or 20 airplanes at any one time,from any one vantage point and so how many airplanes were really attacking and bombing?

The two conveniently missing from pearl harbor american aircraft carriers,lexington and enterprise, would have been easily capable of carrying around 75 (designed to look japanese) airplanes each and so about 150 in total would have been more than enough to do what was done...

And keep in mind,that massive japanese fleet,supposedly including 6 aircraft carriers?! that was supposedly lurking in the area,after supposedly sailing 4,000 miles across the pacific ocean?! was never seen by any american! Hmmmm? no one saw it,not one single ship was seen by anyone and that in itself is extremely suspicious and very damning and its so obvious to me why that seems so unusual,because its really hard to see things that arent there...


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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 02:42 AM
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10-20??

29 japanese aircraft destroyed that day

en.wikipedia.org...

damage taken by the US:
4 battleships sunk
3 battleships damaged
1 battleship grounded
2 destroyers sunk
1 other ship sunk
3 cruisers damaged[nb 1]
1 destroyer damaged
3 other ships damaged
188 aircraft destroyed
159[3] aircraft damaged
2,402 killed
1,247 wounded[4][5]

how many runs would they need to cause that much damage?? and how much time would be required if only 20 aircraft was used, keep in mind they would need to fly back to their carrier to re-arm?? you make it sound like they had all the time in the world.

the only conspiracy here was whether or not they knew about the attack and let it happen, but it definitely wasnt the Americans themselves sitting in japanese aircrafts.
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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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Every person on the ground at pearl harbor during the attack and bombing,wasnt everywhere at the same time and so most people there would have seen none,or no more than 1 or 2 crashed japanese (looking) airplanes...

And why exactly were those supposedly shot down airplanes all too quickly cordoned off and placed under armed guard? to protect them from who? americans? that makes no sense at all,unless they were trying to conceal damning evidence...

Some of those supposedly shot down japanese airplanes were probably intentionally crashed,while their parachuting to safety japanese american and hawaiian pilots were quickly escorted away by secret military personnel,who were already waiting for them on the ground...

No one,except those backstabbing people playing their part during the sinister plan,would have even noticed what was really going on,because they would have been too shocked,too hyperactive and too upset by all the explosions,gunfire,flames,screams and smoke to realize...

And those supposedly shot down airplanes had dead japanese (looking) pilots within their wreckage, who were actually japanese americans and hawaiians coerced,forced and threatened into doing it and they may also have been victims of an early version of mkultra,cia mind control experiments,which later produced the drones and killers charles manson,whitey bulger,mark david chapman,lee harvey oswald,jim jones,sirhan sirhan and others...

Project MKULTRA > en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 03:24 AM
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why do police cordone off crime scenes???

how did the japanese (americans to you) cause so much damage with so little planes in such a short time? all the while flying back to their carriers to re-arm and fly back and attack??

what happened in the mean time?? people in pearl harbour go "oh they're gone thats good that wasnt that bad lets see to the injured" hour or two later "oh no they are back!!! crap run, oh they've finished already? well thats good wasnt that bad lost another battleship lets tend to the wounded" hour or two later "oh no they are back!!! crap run, oh they've finished already? well thats good wasnt that bad lost another battleship lets tend to the wounded" hour or two later "oh no they are back!!! crap run etc. etc.

did they have time machines too??



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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because its really hard to see things that arent there...


But somehow you always manage to do so! This thread is a perfect example.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Did the russian military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,german airplanes that were shot down by russians?...No...

Did the american military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,german airplanes that were shot down by americans?...No...

Did the german military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,russian airplanes that were shot down by germans?...No...

Did the italian military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,american airplanes that were shot down by italians?...No...

Did the british military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,german airplanes that were were shot down by britains?...No...

Did the french military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,german airplanes that were shot down by the french?...No...

Did the chinese military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,japanese airplanes that were shot down by the chinese?...No...

Of course not,they all went out of their way to try and show off their accomplishments to their own military personnel and to their own public...

Except when it came to the bitterly suspicious american military police,who,following orders,cordoned off under armed guard and concealed from their own troops and their own people,supposedly japanese airplanes, supposedly being flown by japanese people from japan,supposedly shot down by americans...

Wow...Hmmmmm?...It doesnt take a rocket scientist...Does it?...


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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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I don't know...the Americans had never had the chance to examine the technologically-advanced Japanese planes before these were shot down. These were the first. Was that the same case in the other examples you mentioned? Were all of those other planes you mentioned a mystery to the opposing militaries, just like the Japanese Zero was to the Americans?

I would think the Americans would want the planes mostly undisturbed so they can study them and hopefully reverse-engineer them, or study their weaknesses.

It would be like an advanced American plane getting shot down in the Soviet Union during the Cold War. I would think in that case, the Soviets would cordon off the plane to keep the public from looting/contaminating the potential technological information the plane's design may offer (or even document the plane may have been carrying).


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