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Bare what? Are you hitting on me bro?
2. We could play the Adam and Eve didn't sin/exist game all day, the context was the bible accounts about God from the OT so lets stay within that context. You could say so and so didn't sin/exist with everything.. We've already assumed the Bible is truth for the sake or argumentation, so therefore you can't remove yourself arbitrarily from that assumption we've taken for the sake of argumentation when you're in a tight spot.
You cannot assume the Biblical accounts of God being evil are 100% true when you want to make a point, and assume the verses are 100% wrong when your point was removed.
But fine, next person, why didn't Cain get struck down dead when He killed Abel? Se whee I am going with this yet? Play fair friend. I understand your problem, but it's your problem. Still love ya friend.
I'm not a Gnostic in any way shape or form. Jesus was a real person who did leave footprints in the sands on the Sea of Galilee when He was walking it's shores.
You also said God isn't love, and I said that avatar I have is the greatest love letter in the history of mankind, and Isaiah 52:7/53 shows that as best as any verse in the Bible And lastly you cannot escape prophecy if you open that book we call a Bible, the entire thing is prophetic, it ALL POINTS TO HIM!!!!
The Father pronounced Him guilty for us, so He could pronounce us innocent because of Him. The Father knew the grave couldn't ever hold His Son, it was just a flesh wound for Him. Play fair, you may be just being stubborn from the booze, I'll wait.
I'm going to the OT, and teaching you about Jesus like the apostles would have, the NT didn't exist when they were sharing Him.
You also aren't the only one being taught the real Jesus here remember, you don't HAVE to answer my questions as i've already said. Others will take that challenge.
heh... should have said beer with me eh
You already assumed the bible is truth...
i've never admitted to such assumptions...
There is truth within the bible... but as a single book i can not assume all of it is true...
You can't corner me with paper walls then complain when one rips...
I also didn't say biblical accounts make God out to be 100% evil either...
Likely because God doesn't work that way....
at least the true God who you are assuming "inspired" all of this book...
You seem to think i have a problem...
but there is no problem...
And speaking of Cain and Abel... IN gen 4 you can see "God" hinting at Karmic law...
Like christian scripture you have to take their writings with a grain of salt... Gnostics believed we are Body and soul... just like christians... They say he had no footprints... You say he walked on water... Really is there much of a difference? I think not....
I also didn't say that either... Love is an aspect of God... the strongest emotional force in the universe... but he is not Just love... I also disagree the whole book points to him... though i won't deny that "some" of it does...
Guilty of what... being innocent?
I always play fair, i just don't assume...
I was being stuburn because thats who i am... born like that...
Look up Aquarious... You'll understand me a little more...
The point being... we were discussing the issue that the OT God is not the same as the one Jesus spoke of...
You're not showing me anything i don't already know my friend...
but im letting you walk this little journey for your audience...
For the sake of argumentation you did with the question you asked. It was an assumed presupposition. Even if you don't realize what you did.
You're arguing with a master of debate bro, not a masterdebater.
Thanks for the Freudian slip that it's "a single book" now and not a collection of 66 by 40 different authors.
Great quip, mind telling me where you got it from so I can properly source it when I use it?
You also said you don't cherry-pick the Bible so which one is it? Your stated beliefs are contradicting eachother. That's violating the law of non-contradiction.
You do. A HUGE one.
There is an enormous one, and if you can prove things with a probability higher than 10^50th power can occur by chance go ahead and get that Nobel prize and the 1 million bucks that comes with it. You could charge 6 figures just for speaking engagements, you'd never have to work again.
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No, you guys ripped that off, it's called by God the law of "sowing and reaping".
There is a massive difference. They were Doeticists, they, like Muslims, could not argue away the resurrection so they invented a plan that He wasn't actually human in the flesh. So yay! They don't have to answer the resurrection anymore! Problem solved
Your answer is in Isaiah 52:7 through all of 53. Get to your assignment instead of asking questions that the answer has already been provided for friend. That's rude.
That's not a true statement, we all fall into that trap.
I know the point, trying (painfully), to open your eyes that Jesus IS that OT God made flesh. But you're the one being stubborn here remember? You already admitted it.
And I appreciate the doors you're opening, having some great talks via email right now because of it. I'm eternally indebted to you friend, just hope you make it there to celebrate with me, I do love you.
Originally posted by starheart
reply to post by NOTurTypical
''It's not an assumption, my trust for it's inspiration from God rests in math, specifically probability. When you get into numbers like 1/10^ 4,087th power that proves it fact. Anything above 10^50th is defined by science as "impossible" by way of random chance. For a clue how big 1/10^4087th is there are only 10^18 atoms in the entire universe according to modern science.''
True, my friend. Everything, even in science, points to the fact that there must be a Creator, or even a God if you think about someone who is imnopetent. Particules didn,t just appeared like that.
i've read that the information that Chucky gets his math from was cooked to favor his results...
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
No disrespect intended... i don't hate what he has to say... im simply not interested in his claim...
I'll leave debunking his work to those that understand math better then i... in any case as i've said, i don't need to rely on someone elses research to see what is truth and what is not...
By giving him a name a child uses your mocking him and implying he's a mental midget compared to you. If you don't want to say DR, say Mr. Missler, heck say Chuck. See what I mean bro? Even jmdewey who hates him doesn't do that.
Why would an Atheist "cook up" Biblical evidence to justify him coming to faith in Jesus Christ and becoming a Christian? How the hell does that make sense? It doesn't pass the cut test man. Unless you have a great reason for him to go through all this mess and convert himself with his own invention.
NuT
why does anyone convert... apparently they're convinced of something...
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Point being...
i call him "chucky" as a term of endearment...
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I thought, the story goes, that on the day of Pentecost, Antioch, the people were overcome with the spirit and spoke in tongues, tongues that foreign visitors to the area understood, as it was their language. Not angelic tongues, that's a new, made up gimick.
Really, if I started speaking in gibberish and told you it was angelic tongues, would you believe me? What is the purpose of speaking an angel's language. But, If I was suddenly overcome with the HS, and able to play a concerto on the piano, with no training or score, would you dismiss it because it was music?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Point being...
i call him "chucky" as a term of endearment...
Ahh yes, so deeply endearing you call him by a name his wife doesn't even use, but not endearing enough to give the man 15 minutes of your time to listen to.
Please don't get that endearing with me ever friend.