Thailand government bans MMA

Personally I have to partially agree with the issue the Thai government has with the attitude of MMA, but I think much of that is exaggerated for the benefit of ratings, because that is the type of thing that braindead American audiences are really attracted to for some reason. I would be willing to guess that behind the scenes, its much like professional (fake) wrestling, and that the fighters have a healthy respect for each other. Apart from that, I have no doubt there is an economic motivation behind this story, and the Thai government is protecting a very important part of the country's culture and business.

To clarify some comments I see:

There is nothing wrong with a little unfriendly competition. Many MMA fighters are some of the best conditioned humans on the planet. Hand to hand combat has been a significant part of our history for tens of thousands of years, and the traditions behind many martial arts have shaped entire cultures.

No one is saying MMA is something new, and in fact it would be more accurate to say that a combination of fighting styles has been more widely used and is more effective than the use of a single style alone.

With most MMA fighters, the tradition of discipline is still very much alive and essential to the creation of a MMA fighter. I will say, however, that some fighters have taken arrogance of persona and image to an embarassing level that is not in line with the tradition of martial arts.

Grappling is one of the oldest, if not the oldest form of hand to hand combat. The ancient Greeks made a sport of grappling, that still holds significant influence over that fighting style even in modern times. All of the basic holds and submissions are thousands of years old. If you think this style of fighting is stupid, then you have never fought a proficient grappler and know nothing about hand to hand combat.

Tapping out is absolutely necessary to prevent serious and possibly permanent injury. If you are in a hold that forces you to tap out, then the fight is over anyway. What is the point of completing the attack to the point of permanent injury? There is none; the fight is over, so they stop it by tapping out. An injury caused by a submission hold like an arm bar is devastating, and could permanently end the fighter's career. In short, its a freaking sport, not a deathmatch.

Some people in this thread are obviously ignorant that the way the Thailanders train for traditional Muay Thai makes any MMA competition or training look like child's play. These people strike solid rocks all day until their shins/elbows are as hard as steel. Additionally, they do the same kind of training MMA fighters do, more of it and it's harder.

Many matches have been held with tradition Muay Thai fighters (from Thailander) against other western MMA/Boxing/Etc fighters. Many of them even handicap the Muay Thai fighters according to the regulations of western sports. A lot of times Taiwanese Muay Thai fighters end up seriously hurting their competition very easily, sometimes they look like they are trying to use so much restraint they look like they are trying to pick wings off a fly.

What you know as "MMA" doesn't hold a candle to real Muay Thai.

As such, practitioners of muay thai will repeatedly hit hard objects with their shins, conditioning it, hardening the bone through a process called cortical remodeling.

Bone Remodeling

When you break a bone, they part that grows back is significantly stronger than it was until your body "eats away" some of the excess. These people continuously injure themselves in order to condition their bones to be solid as hell. Think about that next time you see one of your "mixed martial artists" on the floor with 2 new leg joints or forfeiting a match because he is bleeding a little bit.

"MMA" fighters are pathetic when compared to traditional practitioners of Muay Thai and they shouldn't even be considered as if they are anywhere near on the same level of lethality and effectiveness.

Jeet Kune Do is not anywhere near the same thing as what they call "MMA". "MMA" is a glorified wrestling match where westerners take light jabs at each other for points. It's not even worth watching.

Thailand banning MMA? I don't understand why they didn't just laugh it out of town.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

what an arragont and stuoid thing to say. Because you don't
like, or understand mma, that means that you are right and
everyone is wrong! Mma will def overtake boxing, there is no
doubt about that. Not because of tyson ( stupid expkanation) but
because its more entertaining, and with alot more depth.

Sorry, but it is FAR LESS entertaining than boxing. The fights are extremely boring, and the PPV views agree with me. There is too much posturing and grappling, and lying around on the floor growning, if that is what I want to see I'll just rent porn for half the price, LOL!

In your opinion! Like i believe boxing is boring, does not nean that
i expect everyone to think its boring! You are obviously not a
martial art fan that likes to watch fights with people using
different styles.

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

I agree, with most of what you said. There seems to be some contradiction in the pro-mma mentality. Like MMA fighters are said to be the toughest guys in combat sports yet they also want to claim that it has the least injuries. Does not make sense to me, if you had a guy like Vitali Klitschko fighting with 4oz gloves there are going to be some major injuries.

You really dont have a clue! The reason why there is more serious
injuries in boxing is because they are punching eachother in the
head for 12 rounds. A huge difference to a mma fight.

Championship fights are 12 rounds, most are 10 and under
And there are no such things as strikers?

sigh!
Boxing is all about punching, mostly to the head. Mma fight
is normally not like that. You do get fights that are on the feet,
but most of them go to the ground.

Originally posted by RSF77
Some people in this thread (Jay-morris) are obviously ignorant that the way the Taiwanese train for traditional Muay Thai makes any MMA competition or training look like child's play. These people strike solid rocks all day until their shins/elbows are as hard as steel. Additionally, they do the same kind of training MMA fighters do, more of it and it's harder.

Many matches have been held with tradition Muay Thai fighters (from Taiwan) against other western MMA/Boxing/Etc fighters. Many of them even handicap the Muay Thai fighters according to the regulations of western sports. A lot of times Taiwanese Muay Thai fighters end up seriously hurting their competition very easily, sometimes they look like they are trying to use so much restraint they look like they are trying to pick wings off a fly.

What you know as "MMA" doesn't hold a candle to real Muay Thai.

As such, practitioners of muay thai will repeatedly hit hard objects with their shins, conditioning it, hardening the bone through a process called cortical remodeling.

Bone Remodeling

When you break a bone, they part that grows back is significantly stronger than it was until your body "eats away" some of the excess. These people continuously injure themselves in order to condition their bones to be solid as hell. Think about that next time you see one of your "mixed martial artists" on the floor with 2 new leg joints or forfeiting a match because he is bleeding a little bit.

"MMA" fighters are pathetic when compared to traditional practitioners of Muay Thai and they shouldn't even be considered as if they are anywhere near on the same level of lethality and effectiveness.

Jeet Kune Do is not anywhere near the same thing as what they call "MMA". "MMA" is a glorified wrestling match where westerners take light jabs at each other for points. It's not even worth watching.

edit on 29-3-2012 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)

lol, im ignorant! I have an interest in many types of martial arts, and respect
all if them. Muay thai is one of them. But to say that mma fighters dont train
hard, just because they are not wacking their shins again stone is just
stupid and ignorant. You think a muay thai fighter could go into ufc and
win every fight lol

Originally posted by RSF77
Some people in this thread (Jay-morris) are obviously ignorant that the way the Taiwanese train for traditional

Many matches have been held with tradition Muay Thai fighters (from Taiwan) against other western

Taiwanese Muay Thai fighters end up seriously hurting their competition very easily, sometimes they look like they are trying to use so much restraint they look like they are trying to pick wings off a fly.

What you know as "MMA" doesn't hold a candle to real Muay Thai.

Please, tell me...you know that "thai" stands for Thailand not Taiwan

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

I agree, with most of what you said. There seems to be some contradiction in the pro-mma mentality. Like MMA fighters are said to be the toughest guys in combat sports yet they also want to claim that it has the least injuries. Does not make sense to me, if you had a guy like Vitali Klitschko fighting with 4oz gloves there are going to be some major injuries.

You really dont have a clue! The reason why there is more serious
injuries in boxing is because they are punching eachother in the
head for 12 rounds. A huge difference to a mma fight.

Championship fights are 12 rounds, most are 10 and under
And there are no such things as strikers?

sigh!
Boxing is all about punching, mostly to the head. Mma fight
is normally not like that. You do get fights that are on the feet,
but most of them go to the ground.

Yes, UFC is by far a much lighter and safer combat sport.

reply to post by samsamm9


Oh, oops. Yea I obviously know, just a freudian slip.

Thanks for not being a Nazi about it.

reply to post by DavidWillts

Yes, UFC is by far a much lighter and safer combat sport

off course its a safer sport! Fighters are not getting punched
countless of times in the head for 10/12 rounds!

Originally posted by Jay-morris
lol, im ignorant! I have an interest in many types of martial arts, and respect
all if them. Muay thai is one of them. But to say that mma fighters dont train
hard, just because they are not wacking their shins again stone is just
stupid and ignorant. You think a muay thai fighter could go into ufc and
win every fight lol

I didn't say they didn't train hard, I'm sure some do. I said real Muay Thai training makes their training look like child's play.

I don't know, but I think your average MMA fighter could step in a Muay Thai ring and loose every fight(1), probably wouldn't walk the same ever again either.

reply to post by Jay-morris


Of course its "my opinion" what else would it be? In fact, in my very first post I even said "in my opinion," and actually I like all martial arts, especially mixed styles, I just don't like the UFC, and I don't think their stars are all that good. I don't like watching grappling, it is boring, but it is an important skill to learn and is one of the most useful for corrections and law enforcement and such. Its still boring!

Originally posted by RSF77
Some people in this thread are obviously ignorant that the way the Taiwanese train for traditional Muay Thai makes any MMA competition or training look like child's play. These people strike solid rocks all day until their shins/elbows are as hard as steel. Additionally, they do the same kind of training MMA fighters do, more of it and it's harder.

Many matches have been held with tradition Muay Thai fighters (from Taiwan) against other western MMA/Boxing/Etc fighters. Many of them even handicap the Muay Thai fighters according to the regulations of western sports. A lot of times Taiwanese Muay Thai fighters end up seriously hurting their competition very easily, sometimes they look like they are trying to use so much restraint they look like they are trying to pick wings off a fly.

What you know as "MMA" doesn't hold a candle to real Muay Thai.

As such, practitioners of muay thai will repeatedly hit hard objects with their shins, conditioning it, hardening the bone through a process called cortical remodeling.

Bone Remodeling

When you break a bone, they part that grows back is significantly stronger than it was until your body "eats away" some of the excess. These people continuously injure themselves in order to condition their bones to be solid as hell. Think about that next time you see one of your "mixed martial artists" on the floor with 2 new leg joints or forfeiting a match because he is bleeding a little bit.

"MMA" fighters are pathetic when compared to traditional practitioners of Muay Thai and they shouldn't even be considered as if they are anywhere near on the same level of lethality and effectiveness.

Jeet Kune Do is not anywhere near the same thing as what they call "MMA". "MMA" is a glorified wrestling match where westerners take light jabs at each other for points. It's not even worth watching.

Taiwan banning MMA? I don't understand why they didn't just laugh it out of town.

edit on 29-3-2012 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)

1. Muay Thai is from Thailand, not Taiwan. Very different places.

2. You do not have to hit and kick solid objects to use Wolf's Law to your advantage. Studies have shown that hitting and kicking sand bags also causes the fracturing and regrowth of bone. Lifting heavy weights also enacts Wolf's Law.

3. I think it is interesting that you call MMA a glorified wrestling match. It shows me that all you see is two men rolling around on the ground, when I see two men attempting to leverage one another into a position that ends the fight decisively and permanently. Have you ever fought a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu practitioner? If so, you would not make such statements. It is one of the most efficient fighting forms in existence. In an actual combat situation where someone is attempting to hurt or kill you, grappling and Jiu-Jitsu specifically are the most effective ways to a) avoid injury and b) permanently end the fight.

4. Please, I welcome you to come to my gym and test your theories.

Originally posted by OrchusGhule
4. Please, I welcome you to come to my gym and test your theories.

Took some offense did we?

reply to post by RSF77

I didn't say they didn't train hard, I'm sure some do. I said real Muay Thai training makes their training look like child's play. 

I don't know, but I think your average MMA fighter could step in a Muay Thai ring and loose every fight(1), probably wouldn't walk the same ever again either.

If a mma fighters did have a fight with a mauy thai fighter,
with mauy thai rules, the thai fighter would win almost every
time, but thats because the mma fighter would be limited to what
he can do. Put a mauy thai fighter in mma, and if it goes to the ground,
which it most would, he would not last five mins.

reply to post by RSF77


No, I was merely pointing out my difference of opinion, and some misconceptions you seem to have.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

Of course its "my opinion" what else would it be? In fact, in my very first post I even said "in my opinion," and actually I like all martial arts, especially mixed styles, I just don't like the UFC, and I don't think their stars are all that good. I don't like watching grappling, it is boring, but it is an important skill to learn and is one of the most useful for corrections and law enforcement and such. Its still boring!

why are they not that good? What a reasons for saying
this? Ufc has some of the top fighters in the world.

reply to post by Jay-morris


You think Muay Thai practitioners don't grapple?

reply to post by OrchusGhule


Well said!

reply to post by Jay-morris


Your view is apparently correct because the grapplers are dominating mma/ufc. Can't argue with that, but I don't think they are the all that great.

reply to post by Jay-morris


This is exactly my point. Almost all MMA fighters study Muay Thai strikes and use that in combination with Jiu-Jitsu and other grappling forms. Together they are highly effective. Hell, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu alone is effective against any martial art out there, as its creator has demonstrated time and time again.