Thailand government bans MMA

reply to post by daaskapital


Honestly this is one of the more ignorant post regarding MMA I have read in a long time outside of a boxing forum. If you look at the Muy Thai practitioners in MMA at the top level (UFC/Strikeforce) almost all of them travel or have travelled to Thailand to coach with very well respected Kru's there. Anderson Silva, probably the best Muy Thai practitioner in MMA, is very respectful of Muy Thai, as are guys like Kenny Florian and a host of others.

Originally posted by getreadyalready


And what the hell is up with tapping out? Really? What kind of "ultimate" fighter could ever look in the mirror ever again after tapping out? I've seen people beat half to death with brass knuckles and still keep coming back for more! I've personally spent hours trying to find and pick up teeth and sort out who they belong too after a fight!! Nobody tapped out.

The guys I grew up fighting with would make you rip their arm all the way off and knock them out with it before they would tap out.

Oh, wonderful. A guy who has never taped out, and doesn't understand why it is neccesary, challenges pro fighters to fight.

Please go to your local BJJ gym and take the free introductory lesson. The first white belt you will spar against there will introduce you to the idea of tapping out and why it is important. Nothing teaches a concept like the experience itself.

reply to post by fedeykin


Lol! Isn't that kind of like crying uncle? I was taught you never cry uncle, you make them kill you if they have to, but you never just give up.

In all seriousness, we don't have much of a UFC gym here, and I have been to a few boxing gyms, and I do spar a little here and there with the guys that box and grapple. I'll never understand the concept of tapping out. Even if I were made to tap out, I would still hate the concept, and I would just assume I was not a very good fighter, I would find a different hobby.

reply to post by Jay-morris


Huh?

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by fedeykin

 

Lol! Isn't that kind of like crying uncle? I was taught you never cry uncle, you make them kill you if they have to, but you never just give up.

In all seriousness, we don't have much of a UFC gym here, and I have been to a few boxing gyms, and I do spar a little here and there with the guys that box and grapple. I'll never understand the concept of tapping out. Even if I were made to tap out, I would still hate the concept, and I would just assume I was not a very good fighter, I would find a different hobby.

A quick google search came up with - www.zicrobjj.com...

Looks like thats where you said you live.

Go there, do a trial lesson and do some sparring. You'll wake up to the idea of tapping out very quickly.

Since I found the school on google and have no knowledge of it, or affiliation with it, I can't vouch for their quality. The Alliance BJJ guys do pretty well here in Europe at the tournaments though.

reply to post by getreadyalready

UFC is horrible. It claims to be something it is not. It isn't kick-boxing, it isn't ultimate, it isn't a karate tournament,

It used to be awesome back in the day before it became popular and when people started paying attention to it they had to change the rules. Now every body and their daddy are mma fighters

reply to post by Evanzsayz


Sounds like ECW lol. That used to be badass before it went lamestream

reply to post by TKDRL

Yeah it was, that's exactly what happened to UFC your right.

What a load of dribble MMA isnt a new thing just look up Pankration, it was an Olympic sport, Jui jitsu has it's heritage in Japanese samurai

Originally posted by BASSPLYR I would like to see MMAers go up against Al Decascos or danny inosanto.

you poor ignorant dope which famous instructor trained danny inosanto? Bruce lee! who was all for MMA. Oh yeah how many of you nay sayers of mma have actually trained in any martial art? none? lol oh yeah mma is a sport not ment to be for the street, though all techniques can be used out in the street if you choose too. i personally have a black belt in karate, have trained in muay thai, jui jitsu, and tai chi, i have aslo had a couple of ring fights.

You guys can watch people kick the living sh$%t out of each other if you like....i dont really care...but leave me out...
I will always be of the opinion it was Samual Colt who made all men equal......
These bully boys and their cage fights are just more cake and circuses for the masses no matter what its called.....
The real martial artists distain any mixing of the purity of their chosen styles....the ones who have spent many years perfecting ...and they all pretty well persue a peaceful co existance with most.....
Anyone can come along and do a poor imitation.....that dont make it a sport.

reply to post by MrJuicey


I am sure bruce would hate the MMA actually, too many rules for his liking lol. That was his complaint about most contact fighting sports.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Chi-and-Me

 

I'm not sure I agree, but I understand. Just look at what MMA has done to boxing in the U.S. I'm surprised that Las Vegas didn't fight it in the early years. At least when Dana White took over U.F.C. and popularized it. Some states don't allow professional MMA and they may never.

This is also proof of the weakness of MMA/UFC. One good heavyweight boxer could easily pull all the attention from UFC and back to boxing with a single event! If a George Foreman, or Evander Holyfield, or Mike Tyson type fighter showed up on the scene today, people would forget all about MMA/UFC, because the fights just don't have that drama and flair to them that boxing has. They don't duke it out, and gut it out, and endure ups and downs and win over the hearts of the crowd the way a 10 round heavyweight boxing match does.

UFC only got its 15 minutes of fame because Mike Tyson went to jail and came back without his heart in the ring, and Holyfield got hurt too much and had to quit fighting.

It would only take one dominant heavyweight boxer to make UFC nothing but a memory.

what an arragont and stuoid thing to say. Because you don't
like, or understand mma, that means that you are right and
everyone is wrong! Mma will def overtake boxing, there is no
doubt about that. Not because of tyson ( stupid expkanation) but
because its more entertaining, and with alot more depth.

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by Pinke

 

Now either Bruce Lee is wrong, and a couple of street brawlers could take the UFC belts as soon as they feel like it ... or much more likely, when you're watching something on a 120 frames per second slow mo replay it looks a lot sloppier, a lot less technical, and a lot easier to thwart than it really is.

Bruce Lee never had a single professional martial arts fight in his life. He is just a theatrical martial artist , an actor who was the son of an actor. Nothing but a Legend made up by Hollywood, Dan Inosanto and the 'Lee Foundation" who continue to make money from his films year after year.

edit on 29-3-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

That is because after he did his first demo in front of all the fighters very very few had the guts to fight him. He challenge them all. One, the champ at the time took the bait and lost quickly.

reply to post by fedeykin


Ya, there are a couple of little BJJ gyms, and a couple of really small UFC/MMA type gyms, but they are mostly just a handful of guys playing grabass, or a family style martial arts studio, which is fine, my kids both go to a family style center, and it is great training and exercise. I've been to the one you linked to, and I sent you a PM with the longer story. You'll like it!

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

I agree, with most of what you said. There seems to be some contradiction in the pro-mma mentality. Like MMA fighters are said to be the toughest guys in combat sports yet they also want to claim that it has the least injuries. Does not make sense to me, if you had a guy like Vitali Klitschko fighting with 4oz gloves there are going to be some major injuries.

You really dont have a clue! The reason why there is more serious
injuries in boxing is because they are punching eachother in the
head for 12 rounds. A huge difference to a mma fight.

reply to post by Jay-morris

what an arragont and stuoid thing to say. Because you don't
like, or understand mma, that means that you are right and
everyone is wrong! Mma will def overtake boxing, there is no
doubt about that. Not because of tyson ( stupid expkanation) but
because its more entertaining, and with alot more depth.

Sorry, but it is FAR LESS entertaining than boxing. The fights are extremely boring, and the PPV views agree with me. There is too much posturing and grappling, and lying around on the floor growning, if that is what I want to see I'll just rent porn for half the price, LOL!

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by Pinke

 

Now either Bruce Lee is wrong, and a couple of street brawlers could take the UFC belts as soon as they feel like it ... or much more likely, when you're watching something on a 120 frames per second slow mo replay it looks a lot sloppier, a lot less technical, and a lot easier to thwart than it really is.

Bruce Lee never had a single professional martial arts fight in his life. He is just a theatrical martial artist , an actor who was the son of an actor. Nothing but a Legend made up by Hollywood, Dan Inosanto and the 'Lee Foundation" who continue to make money from his films year after year.

edit on 29-3-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Again, a complete load of rubbish! Lee was a great martial artist. Because
he did not have a proffesional fight, does not mean he was not a martial
artist. Why not go look at fighters like chuck norris, bob wall, joe lewis etc
had to say about bruce lee. Guess they are all lying too!

Im not one of these fans who believe bruce was the greatest ever, but it bugs
the hell out of me when people write what you just wrote!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

what an arragont and stuoid thing to say. Because you don't
like, or understand mma, that means that you are right and
everyone is wrong! Mma will def overtake boxing, there is no
doubt about that. Not because of tyson ( stupid expkanation) but
because its more entertaining, and with alot more depth.

Sorry, but it is FAR LESS entertaining than boxing. The fights are extremely boring, and the PPV views agree with me. There is too much posturing and grappling, and lying around on the floor growning, if that is what I want to see I'll just rent porn for half the price, LOL!

I posted the stats on the other page, boxing ppv fights will often have more viewers than free UFC fights.
mmavalor.com...

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

I agree, with most of what you said. There seems to be some contradiction in the pro-mma mentality. Like MMA fighters are said to be the toughest guys in combat sports yet they also want to claim that it has the least injuries. Does not make sense to me, if you had a guy like Vitali Klitschko fighting with 4oz gloves there are going to be some major injuries.

You really dont have a clue! The reason why there is more serious
injuries in boxing is because they are punching eachother in the
head for 12 rounds. A huge difference to a mma fight.

Championship fights are 12 rounds, most are 10 and under
And there are no such things as strikers?

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
there is a lot of myth about bruce lee. he wasn't the greatest fighter of all time. He came from a acting background (it was the family art) he was part of a local street gang at 13 (youth street gangs were very common at the time, where they would have territorial fights with other street gangs but mostly spent their time messing with the british in honk kong) at the time he was in that little street gange he wasn't know as a great fighter. according to his friends "bruce got his feathers singed a lot" in those early fights. but bruce was an egotist and couldn't stand loosing. he was known as a sore looser. So he swor to himself that he would never get beaten again. he had to be the best in his mind. SO he took wing chun lessons to combat the Choy Li Fut trained kids that were kicking his ass.

Bruces teacher Ip Man had issues with the community for teaching bruce (bruce isn't 100% chinese, he actually has a tinsy bit of german) student threatened to boycot the school because Ip Man was teaching a "non chinese"

people in the US thought bruce was the greatest but the asian cmmunity wasn't that impressed. what made bruce popular in the asian community was that he was representing asians as being healthy and strong which was not a reputation people were attributing to them at the time. they saw bruce as a hero battling asian racism and showing asians in a good light to the western community. but not really because of his martial arts.

Bruce was not perfect he did drugs and even had a few of them found in his blood when he died at his girlfriends apartment where he was cheating on his wife at the time. Bruce was a known womanizer too.

Most of Bruces fighting system Jeet Kun Do is not from any martial art he was familiar with but added later from guys who were getting into kali/ silat and excrima.

Bruce thought he was a amazing martial artist until he ran into a stuntman on a movie set named gene labelle. THey got into a friendly sparring match and gene kicked bruces ass completely and fast too. bruce was so stunned that he started learning shoot wrestling from gene labelle. thats where bruce started getting into wrestling to add to his jeet kun do. after that episode he started repping genes fighting methods like in the beginning of enter the dragon.

so bruce wasn't really an A+ type character.

although danny inosanto is all about getting paid these days and he's loyal to bruce almost to a fault. but danny is in my opinion a much more rounded fighter than bruce ever was. Danny's done a lot to rep kali and silat. most guys respect him a lot for his knowledge and for his easy going conversational teaching style. he's got a lot of very good students.

Alot of what you wrote here is bs! Bruce lee was beat up by a
stubt man lol evidence please!