Originally posted by evc1shop
So, on to my question, is it possible that these areas were known to have these occurrences or sightings prior to being given National Park status?
Could there be more to it that the NPS | BLM | other agency knew about something in the area and made a park there to preserve it? Or is this just a
case of that's the only free range of land left so these creatures sort of moved there as developing areas gained traction?
Well, Paulides does say a few times that there are a number of disappearances in regions with 'Devil' in the name, and asks the reader to wonder why
they got their name. Also, I can't say for certain for every region, but supposedly
has quite a long association of being
a 'no-go' area with the local tribes of Native Americans, and I possibly recall a couple of other areas being habitually avoided by them too. And
then, of course, there are the odd stories from a couple centuries ago. I'm 90% certain that some very in depth digging would reveal that the
majority of clusters are in proximity to places the local tribes keep very far away from.
Originally posted by Elliot
This thread, first read it when it started in 2012, for some reason always reminds me of H G Wells' 'Time Machine'. A breakaway civilisation or
'group' lives or exists along side the very sheep like humans. Let's face it, the majority of humans have still to turn on their brain. We
casually exist, believing whatever we are told at school, tv etc....there are NO Monsters etc. And yet.....many 'civilisations' for want of a
better word, may exist along side our own.
Are we the top of the 'food chain' as so often told?
I doubt it very much, infact I am certain we are not.
Yes! That is exactly what I think too! However unlike the childlike subspecies in that (cannot remember their name for the life of me!), I believe
certain members of our species are not only aware of whatever it is doing these things, but in all likelihood are condoning, and arranging for it to
One point (which I always come back to) is Dennis Martin. He sticks in my mind because of the effort to find him. While all the others were (mostly)
extensive, Dennis' somehow strikes me as being different for some reason. And I think it's the armed troops 'searching' for him.
What we know about this incident is this: The Martins were hiking, kids were playing, when Dennis disappeared maybe 40-60 feet from the group. A short
time later, another family (the Keys) hear "an enormous, sickening scream" and see a humanoid figure carrying a 'something' discreetly and quickly
making a run for it. Search begins, etc etc. FBI tell Mr Key his sighting was irrelevant, despite, y'know, a kid's been grabbed and a possible
suspect has been witnessed making a getaway whilst carrying something.
The most unusual aspect though isn't any of the above stuff...
It's the presence of another Martin family at the same place, at the exact same time.
Both families met up, discovered they shared a
surname and decided to hang. Dennis get's grabbed, search begins, nothing found.
But was Dennis the wrong Martin? Had this all been arranged beforehand, and this time there was a slip up?
Think about it for just a second.
For whatever reason you've been told there's going to be a family at a location at a certain time, and you're to grab one of the kids. You see
pictures, possibly be told they'll be wearing a specific colour (probably a bright one, as that's another common theme), etc. You turn up, see a
family with a kid in bright colours and make your grab. Then, as you're escaping you realise this kid wasn't in any of the pictures. Something's
gone wrong. Possibly disastrously wrong! A person with less self control might roar in anger, or scream in frustration
, might be so distracted
at thinking of the mess up he doesn't pay enough attention to his surroundings and get's spotted. Whoever's in charge, knowing what this individual
is capable of, decides to cut him off and orders a special task force to apprehend and neutralise him, with Dennis becoming that oh-so-compassionate
military term "collateral damage."
Wild conspiracy theorising, but it's 0130am and my sleep deprived brain is going overtime! However, I do believe the presence of the second Martin
family is a big factor in the almost perfect abduction, and I believe their presence is what caused whatever it was the Keys saw to scream, and be
seen. And, further, I believe it was their presence there that unfortunately cost the Martin's their little boy.
I'd be curious to know exactly why the other Martins were there, or how far in advance they'd planned their trip.
I shall certainly be reading the 411 series this year, but not while I'm on holiday in the middle of nowhere!
Cannot blame you!