Are We Really Moving At These Amazing Speeds Through Outer Space?

reply to post by blocula

Voyager and Discovery certainly didnt leave the earths surface at 30,000 mph and they were not traveling at 30,000 mph when they left the earths atmosphere either and so how were they able to reach and keep those speeds

I dont see why should they accelerate inside Earths atmosphere? They accelerated at final speed well outside Earths atmosphere. Then they coasted, and as was already explained, you do not need any propulsion to do that.

The space probe materials are obviously not effected by the extremely extreme colds of deep space? Why not?

Voyager probes have radioisotope generators keeping them warm in outer space.

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Maslo

 

Voyager and Discovery certainly didnt leave the earths surface at 30,000 mph and they were not traveling at 30,000 mph when they left the earths atmosphere either and so how were they able to reach and keep those speeds,15 times faster than a bullet,especially since they have been supposedly flying,or should we say falling at those speeds for around 35 years! with no built in rockets to propel them?

And - 455 degrees is unimaginably cold,its only 3 or 4 degrees above absolute zero and at those kinds of temperatures near absolute zero,nearly all molecular motion ceases,except the molecules that make up our spaceships i suppose? The space probe materials are obviously not effected by the extremely extreme colds of deep space? Why not? theres no reason why they wouldnt be,thats how cold it is up there...

The coldest natural temperature ever recorded on earth is around -128 below zero

edit on 27-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

A good majority of their velocity was achieved, as you have been told several times now, by what is known in layman terms as a slingshot. They had them go by the gas giants and use their gravity to help increase their speed.

Why do you think it's hard to keep such a speed when there is nothing to slow them down?

Objects with velocity on Earth slow down due to the interaction of the Earth's gravity and friction of the matter we are always surrounded by. Be it the air, tires against the ground, or water - ALL of these things cause friction that will quickly reduce the velocity of an object that doesn't have constant propulsion. Something that is in the vacuum of space - not moving through any form of matter to cause friction - will have nothing to cause it to slow down.

This is basic physics...I mean, grade school level science. It's not something that we have all been told by TPTB and fooled into believing...it's testable and verifiable and most every child with even a half-assed education has tested and verified this themselves many times over before they even hit high school. Objects in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Surely that isn't the first time you've heard those very basic concepts?

Space has no temperature. It's a vacuum...you cannot measure the temperature of nothing. Matter has a temperature. When you step outside into the snow, you step from the warm air of your house into the cold air outside. This is why you feel cold...because the temperature of the air is cold. The heat in your body is pulled away by the air and makes you colder. In space, there is nothing 'cold' around you...there is Nothing around you. You will lose heat to space (because it has to go somewhere, in this case it will just radiate off of you), but space will not 'take' the heat away from you like the cold air on Earth will.

However, you will be getting more energy from the sun hitting you since the atmosphere of the Earth will no longer be protecting you from it, but that's a slightly different topic.

reply to post by Dashdragon
"Space has no temperature"...What?...Yes it does...Try going up far beyond the earths atmosphere and you'll be within temperatures that are -455 degrees below zero and you'll be instantly turned into frozen dust and nearly all molecular motion ceases at those kinds of extreme temperatues and so the molecules that make up our spaceships should also cease to move and those spaceships should also be instantly turned into brittle frozen dust,but they are not....Why are they not?...Are they even really up there?...Is our moon landings and our entire space program itself nothing more than a massive hoax?...It is very possible.....Because all we really see are the rockets go up and then we see the capsules splash down,thats all we really know,all the rest could be power tripping psych-ops,green/blue screen movies and faked photographs...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Dashdragon

 

"Space has no temperature"...What?...Yes it does...Try going up far beyond the earths atmosphere and you'll be within temperatures that are -455 degrees below zero and you'll be instantly turned into frozen dust and nearly all molecular motion ceases at those kinds of extreme temperatues and so the molecules that make up our spaceships should also cease to move and those spaceships should also be instantly turned into brittle frozen dust,but they are not....Why are they not?...Are they even really up there?...Is our moon landings and our entire space program itself nothing more than a massive hoax?...It is very possible.....Because all we really see are the rockets go up and then we see the capsules splash down,thats all we really know,all the rest could be power tripping psych-ops,green/blue screen movies and faked photographs...

edit on 27-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Space is made out of nothing (= a vacuum with quantum fluctuotions)

But ..it's useless, at this point I guess it's become quite clear that we should just stop "feeding" this troll.
You ignore posts that clearly explain your somewhat ignorant questions, and then post the next ludacrous claim, time and time again displaying your ignorance, and even beeing condescending toward those who want to explain how this works.

[sarcam]I'll come clean: there is no such thing as satelites, nor voyagers, earth has no atmosphere it's just all all an illusion...[sarcasm/]


FYI: blue and green screen techinques were not invented yet when they landed on the moon...

reply to post by blocula

Try going up far beyond the earths atmosphere and you'll be within temperatures that are -455 degrees below zero and you'll be instantly turned into frozen dust

No, as was already stated multiple times, you will very slowly cool to -455 by radiating the heat away. Freezing instantly in space is just a cheesy sci-fi myth. Of course, all this is assuming you are not in sunlight, which is more than enough to keep you warm in space just like on Earth.

imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Dashdragon

 

"Space has no temperature"...What?...Yes it does...Try going up far beyond the earths atmosphere and you'll be within temperatures that are -455 degrees below zero and you'll be instantly turned into frozen dust and nearly all molecular motion ceases at those kinds of extreme temperatues and so the molecules that make up our spaceships should also cease to move and those spaceships should also be instantly turned into brittle frozen dust,but they are not....Why are they not?...Are they even really up there?...Is our moon landings and our entire space program itself nothing more than a massive hoax?...It is very possible.....Because all we really see are the rockets go up and then we see the capsules splash down,thats all we really know,all the rest could be power tripping psych-ops,green/blue screen movies and faked photographs...

edit on 27-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Yes, space has NO temperature.

OBJECTS in space have temperatures: Planets, asteroids, gases, dust, etc. Space itself has no temperature, because space itself is a vacuum.
Leaving Earth's atmosphere will NOT expose you to absolute zero.....we are too close to the sun for that. To get close to those temps, you need to get out to Neptune and further.
Even when you do get out that far, if there is a heat source, such as a heater, it will keep things warm, as again the heat is not suddenly sucked away because: there is no conduction, nor convection for the heat to leave the probes. Only through radiation can it leave, and as long as the heaters work, they will stay warm.

You keep saying the "space program", much of the physics we are discussing was discovered, or worked out way, way, way before NASA existed. So by your belief, people like Isaac Newton, Copernicus, Galileo,
Clausius, and Einstein were either all wrong, or lying to us (never mind that everything they've discovered or figured out has been gone over by many, many other people, and much of what they discovered has been verified through testing and experiments).

Or you're trolling. Or need some serious help.

blocula --

You should at least attempt to understand the science before you blindly dismiss it.

You obviously don't have an understanding of the basic concepts at work here, such as momentum, thermodynamics, etc., and are thus closed-mindedly rejecting the larger scientific concepts built upon those basic concepts -- larger concepts such as the motion of galaxies.

Instead of being so closed-minded as to say "I don't understand it; therefore it must be false", why don't you open your mind a bit to at least attempt to understand the basic scientific principles involved here. If you understand those basic principles THEN you can intelligently accept or reject the larger ideas being presented here -- and, yes, you would be free to reject them if you had some valid argument against them...

...However, as it is now, you can't have a valid argument against these larger ideas, because you don't even seem to want to understand the basic ideas. The larger ideas are built upon the basics, and you can't open-mindedly argue against one without first understanding the other.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


@SGIP

@Erik

@Maslo

.........Your attempts are admirable.

But, alas, they seem to be (either):

A): Falling on deaf ears or;

B): Directed at someone who takes some queer joy in "playing" people as willing fools.


(Option "B" is called, in Internet 'online parlance', a "TROLL")

Take it as it appears.


IF (big "if") on the otherhand, there is a person in dire need of a proper education? This gives some allowance, and mitigates any "troll" accusations....then, there are better venues to educate such an individual, I would imagine.....

reply to post by blocula



Can you do everyone a favour on here and let us know where you got your education the reason being I want to make sure there is absolutely no chance of a member of my family or for that fact anyone I know getting their kids educated by the same people who taught you.

Your total lack of understanding is absolutely unbelievable for someone who seems to be so internet savvy or does that just show that indeed anyone can use a computer now or like others have stated you are a troll.

If rockets are propelling themselves against the fuel they expel,in the earths atmosphere,is it the same for them in the frictionless vacum of outerspace?

rocket propulsion works the same in the atmosphere as it does in space, though greater speeds are possible in space because there are very few atoms floating about, which means there is practically no resistance to acceleration besides the shuttle's inertia (it's resistance to change due to mass).

and then whats propelling the voyager and discovery deep space probes at around 30,000 mph for the last 30 - 40 years,when they have no rockets to keep propelling themselves at those fantastic speeds,for those incredibly long periods of time?

velocity is relative, and you haven't listed a point of reference. as for how something in space can keep going at those speeds without propulsion, well, it comes down to there being practically no friction. in order to slow something down you must apply force, and in space there is nothing colliding with those crafts. it's the same reason the earth hasn't slowed down and fallen into the sun.

And what kind of man made materials and space suits are able to withstand passing through the van allen radiation belt that surrounds the earth?

the van allen radiation belt is an entrapment of charged particles from the sun that were blocked by the magnetosphere. these particles affect satellites, so the electronics must be properly shielded. for humans, i think cosmic rays and solar flares present larger health issues, but yes, we do have materials and devices that can shield all manner of radiation. alpha particles can be blocked by practically everything, even a sheet of paper, though if ingested, would very deadly. aluminum is used to block beta particles, and lead is used for gamma radiation. with current technology we can see solar flares coming before they reach us, and plan missions around that. when we went to the moon, the astronauts went through a small window where the van allen radiation belt is thinner, and thereby avoided dangerous levels of radiation.

And what manmade materials are able to withstand the 3 or 4 degrees above absolute zero! deep freezing temperatures of outerspace,which is 455 degrees fahrenheit below zero !?

we're able to cool things to a few billionths of a degree above absolute zero here on earth. i don't know much about how space suits work, but let me look it up...ok. space suits have many, many layers. they're pressurized and fitted with equipment for temperature extremes because sunlight in space is around 250 F, while shadows are -250 F. there are around 12 layers, but many different models have been made over the years. currently we use a semi-rigid two piece design that can keep someone alive for 8 hours and 30 minutes in space.

humans are clever buggers.

reply to post by XyZeR
How is me standing firm with my position,holding ground and not swaying away from my ideas being a troll? You think and believe that what they tell us is the truth and i think and believe that what they tell us are mostly lies...

You're living in a hologram, its magical (meaning advanced technology and we don't understand it) and not what you think. I've experienced things that science cant explian, interactive and magical and know that everything people think of is but perceptional, a program.

By the way whoever wrote space is a vacuum, not even remotely correct in that.

There is more energy compressed in 1 cubic square cm of space, than all the energy that could be seen in all directions right back to the theory and erroneous big bang. Its an infinite ocean of energy and yes they have discovered that.

Its a program that its dark, why would anything the sun illuiminates even be dark? Why not blue? The stars contain all the elements that make up the planets and even water!!!!! Oxygen, and atmosphere!

So why is space painted black?

It couldnt possibly be black!

We are so heavily programmed and its not what we think at all.

reply to post by Unity_99
We are living within an intentionally projected,three dimansional hologram,everything is an illusion and nothing is as it appears to be and thats why i said that our existence is like watching a movie and being in the movie while your watching it...

And just imagine what i saw happen,someone or something seemed to have momentarily lost control of their hologram projector > www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by blocula


Your talking about the Holographic principle only problem is you didnt understand the theory at all. You majorly misinterpreted the meaning.The holographic principle was inspired by black hole thermodynamics basic principle is information cant be destroyed even by a black hole. In a sense it says the universe is two-dimensional rather than three-dimensional, the 3rd being a sort of illusion, just like 2d holograms can hold information about 3d objects. Problem is this applies to strings or in other words the universe in macroscopic scale.So for example an apple is an apple however you keep looking closer youll see cracks and crevices in the skin .Look smaller molecules in a apple shape.Smaller still eventually strings You perceive this as an apple in truth its just a collection collection of strings in 2 dimensions we perceive as 3.However this theory has been dismissed partly because it doesnt acount for dark matter or virtual particles.

Originally posted by blocula
Heres some amazing facts about the speed of outer space...

The earth rotates around its axis at a speed of 1,000 mph and even moving at that very fast speed,it takes the earth 24 hours to revolve around itself just once...

The earth orbits around the sun at a speed of 67,000 mph and even moving at that incredible speed, it takes the earth 365 days to go around the sun just once...

Our solar system revolves around and through the milkyway galaxy at a speed of 550,000 mph and even moving at that mind bending speed,it takes our solar system 225 million years to revolve just once around and through the milkyway galaxy...

Our milkyway galaxy is moving through the universe at a speed of 2,237,000 mph...

The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second,which is 670,616,629 mph...

Now walk outside and does it feel and look like we're really moving that fast?...No

Now look up out into the star filled night time sky and does it feel and look like eveything you see up there is really moving at those almost incomprehensible speeds?...No

So are we really?...I dont know?...But thats what they're telling us...

edit on 22-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

edit on 3-22-2012 by worldwatcher because: title changed per author's request

Well let see, if the Earth is rotating at 1,000 MPH and the circumference of the Earth is 24,901.55 miles then it makes perfect sense for it to take 24 hours to rotate.

geography.about.com...

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by ProudBird

 

I would conclude this guy is a troll....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No one can be that dumb can they? And all the dumb people who stared his OP? His OP was knocked down as BS on the first page, yet it has 53 pages still arguing nonsense. I guess people just like the easy threads that don't challenge their thinking?

This is the same guy who also created the "U-boat sank the Titanic" thread, which chewed up a good portion of the internets....

It isn't worth it people, accept he is who he is and move on

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by ProudBird

 

I would conclude this guy is a troll....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No one can be that dumb can they? And all the dumb people who stared his OP? His OP was knocked down as BS on the first page, yet it has 53 pages still arguing nonsense. I guess people just like the easy threads that don't challenge their thinking?

This is the same guy who also created the "U-boat sank the Titanic" thread, which chewed up a good portion of the internets....

It isn't worth it people, accept he is who he is and move on

Thanx for mentioning one of my most popular threads...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by ProudBird

 

I would conclude this guy is a troll....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No one can be that dumb can they? And all the dumb people who stared his OP? His OP was knocked down as BS on the first page, yet it has 53 pages still arguing nonsense. I guess people just like the easy threads that don't challenge their thinking?

This is the same guy who also created the "U-boat sank the Titanic" thread, which chewed up a good portion of the internets....

It isn't worth it people, accept he is who he is and move on

Thanx for mentioning one of my most popular threads...

Popular in so far as it was dozens of pages of everyone vs you in an attempt to try and convince you that it would have been impossible..

But hey, that's exactly how this thread is going down...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by ProudBird

 

I would conclude this guy is a troll....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No one can be that dumb can they? And all the dumb people who stared his OP? His OP was knocked down as BS on the first page, yet it has 53 pages still arguing nonsense. I guess people just like the easy threads that don't challenge their thinking?

This is the same guy who also created the "U-boat sank the Titanic" thread, which chewed up a good portion of the internets....

It isn't worth it people, accept he is who he is and move on

Thanx for mentioning one of my most popular threads...

Popularity is not based on groups of people repeatedly showing you what an asinine idiot you are.

It's just sad.

If you're doing this for the 'popularity' I think you need the WoW forums where trolling is not only accepted, it's kind of the rule.

Originally posted by Dashdragon

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by ProudBird

 

I would conclude this guy is a troll....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No one can be that dumb can they? And all the dumb people who stared his OP? His OP was knocked down as BS on the first page, yet it has 53 pages still arguing nonsense. I guess people just like the easy threads that don't challenge their thinking?

This is the same guy who also created the "U-boat sank the Titanic" thread, which chewed up a good portion of the internets....

It isn't worth it people, accept he is who he is and move on

Thanx for mentioning one of my most popular threads...

Popularity is not based on groups of people repeatedly showing you what an asinine idiot you are.

It's just sad.

If you're doing this for the 'popularity' I think you need the WoW forums where trolling is not only accepted, it's kind of the rule.

Sometimes saying nothing,is saying something words could never say...