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This whole Iran thing is a political stunt for attention.
Shi'a islam has always from the beginning stood against the oppression of any peoples.
And just what oppressions are the Canadian natives suffering from?
Tax exemptions and free education are more than anyone else gets in this country.
Shall we turn our back on those who come to us in your opinion? It would be against our religion and beliefs to turn our back on one who said I am oppressed in the land. It is our duty to speak to them.
You try and make it sound like Iranian citizens are tortured, hanged, stoned, and harassed by the regime on a daily to hourly basis... that is far from the truth
I have many friends and family there who live fairly ordinary lives there
From retirees, mall owners, business owners, children, students, teachers, housewives, dentists, civil engineers... they all get along OK, Its not GREAT, but its not THAT bad either
It's their fault there is semi-hyper-inflation in Iran right now. It's their fault food has gone up 2 fold and gas has gone up 10 fold
That is exactly what the elites want so they can go in and take Iran over for themselves.
I can assure you Iranians will be MUCH worse off if that happens
As much as you or others hate the regime, the western influence is no better..
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Uhuh, uhuh...tell me something that you know for a fact...rather than what you can guess.
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Those idiots over there still gather for a hanging for crying out loud.
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Harrassement by the regime IS a daily thing, I don't know why you're trying to say it isn't...Maybe it isn't if you keep staring at the floor and keep your mouth shut, but if you see certain things and try to articulate your opinion - jail.
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I dare any of your relatives to go picknicking at the park...then to dance in the park or be brave enough to sing. Do you know what happens to them?
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Do you know musicians are watched really closely?
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Sounds like all those people have jobs and if they were to speak up they would not have jobs! Ask each one of them how much food they can get with their paychecks, and they have JOBS! Now imagine those who find it hard finding a job, the majority of the people, what are they supposed to do other than leave Iran for a future?
Because they sure as hell can't protest! That's a one way trip to jail.
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WHAT? There are raving lunatics at the head of Iran right now, uttering words such as "destroy this place", "death to this and that"...do you have any idea how scared of a people Westerners are? It's not like the sanctions are a response to retarded businessmanagement by the theocracy, RIGHT???
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Easy for you to say...as I see it, the "elites"(wtf is that anyways, nobody is elite) already took over Iran in '79. That's why their sons drive million dollar cars while they try to uphold a religious image and there's close to 2 million hard drug addicts...in Tehran alone. They are not hurting, so they will talk the biggest talk, get Iran more sanctions, hurt the regular people more, while they make sure they/their relatives can drive lamborghini's and import their lifestyle from "the great satan".
There is more and more western influence and lifestyle in Iran every day!
Hate the regime? Do you have any idea how many years the Islamic regime put Iran back? AT LEAST 30 years. Hate is an understatement of the year, and you would think so too if you knew how much the theocracy is really screwing Iran over.
As someone else mentioned did you see what happend in the occupy protests here?
The fact that you aren't aware of the elites just shows how much you know about the whole situation.
THEY are the real enemy. Not the petty-local dictators who are trying to make the most of the situation
Tell me, has Libya/Iraq/Afghanistan become any freer since their establishment' collapsed? And if so, at what cost??
I was talking about geo-political influence, not cultural
My Iranian friend was showing me videos and telling me about dance raves in Iran...
Officials come by and they just throw them a couple toman and they leave
Yes they are oppressed, suppressed and silenced but that kind of pressure is found to some degree in every part of the world.
US is threatening all their allies with sanctions if they don't stop buying Iranian oil, wouldn't you be pissed if you were them?
Again inflation has only skyrocketed because of the sanctions.
But what I'm trying to say here is, I think the Iranian people should stick with the regime for now and seek reform in a more subtle approach
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How many Occupy protestors died?
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I wasn't aware that any single human was superior to the other one to the extent of "elite". I refuse to call people that, they are of flesh and blood like the rest of us. Maybe that one went over your head a little.
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So those petty local dictators who were put in place by THEM, are good people
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So their kids driving lambos is a good thing for Iran
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You are ignorant of your own culture, that's a shame. The matter of fact is that Iran has always been more progressive than the countries around it,
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how many suicide bombers have blown themselves up in Iran?
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So wait, there is only the West and Religious extremists one can choose from? I disagree with this statement, but for the sake of conversation; you still dare to say religious extremists are better???
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So what if they don't accept the bribe(corruption - you're alluding that this is a good thing)?
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Not to that degree...at all. I can't believe it man. You are sitting in Canada and you KNOW how messed up it is in Iran and you still say "it's the same everywhere".
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Why? Because those mullahs pocket the biggest part of the money?
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But sanctions are there for a reason. They didn't just wake up one morning and go: "We have to sanction Iran!".
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...That's a fearful idea. You know why it is like that? Because ignorance is rampant. Reform in a subtle approach? You think there is patience for that? At a certain point the people will snap.
How do you imagine they would be dealt with if that was their intention?
I can assure you, if you do the research you will come to understand who these elite really are and what they have been up to
The current regime only came to existence because of the oppression by the American/British interests, and unfortunately they ended up being no better then what they sought to replace
I'm not referring to cultural influence in those regions, again its geo-political.
None that I know of, but that can change overnight if you ask NATO to come help "free" you
Of course I can say without a doubt the religous extremists are better, again NOT saying they are good but they are much better then this at least...
And they almost always accept the bribe, I've never heard 1 case where they refused
Yes not to the degree it is in Iran....if you understand my overall approach I'm not saying Iran is in a good situation but it could be much much worse.
And honestly if there was an uprising against the US or Canadian government here they would be dealt with very very harshly
The sanctions make the mullahs suffer
Do you seriously think those who are imposing sanctions on Iran, do it for the interests of the people?
If thats the case you have horribly misunderstood the situation. It's not about democracy or human rights for these people, that's their lie, their cover story
Unfortunately at the moment its either subtle reform, or NATO bombs and the return of the MEK & BP