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It would be hilarious if it was not so tragic.. If any idiot soaks in the nonsense of this sponsored thread I would be surprised !
Question? Why would anyone write such a detailed academic reply to a question that hasn't been asked?
In no way am I saying one should trust government and always believe the official story. I am just saying one should follow the ATS creed: Deny Ignorance.
Read the FULL text of the speech, and don't cherry pick.
Originally posted by Rising Against
reply to post by Tarrasque
See, that's the thing.. It's not so much "theory" anymore.
It's well known what JFK was talking about - I highlighted it in my opening post. That's why there's a need for a thread like this.. people need to be made aware of it as many, as far as I can see, are currently not.
It's well known what JFK was talking about
so realistically it is hard to argue that he is talking about communism.
Source is the transcript of the speech found at the JFK Library here.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
Originally posted by magmaiura
reply to post by Rising Against
Have you understood the quote you posted?
The "it" refers to this secret society "it" conducts the cold war..
Originally posted by galactictuan
Good take on it.
But there's no doubt secret societies exist and no doubt that JFK knew about them.
You have to put it in context. He gave this speech exactly one week after anoth er speech to a similar audience, the Society of Newspaper Editors, in which he said:
Originally posted by jlm912
Excellent thread. One must wonder, though, why he never actually uses the word "communism" if it is truly to what he was referring...
The speech to the Newspaper Publisher's Association is a continuation of the speech a week earlier to the Society of Newspaper Editors—the same topics were still on his mind, but he'd had another week to think about the failed Bay of Pigs invasion (which happened 5 days before the first speech).
First, it is clear that the forces of communism are not to be underestimated, in Cuba or anywhere else in the world. The advantages of a police state-its use of mass terror and arrests to prevent the spread of free dissent--cannot be overlooked by those who expect the fall of every fanatic tyrant. If the self-discipline of the free cannot match the iron discipline of the mailed fist-in economic, political, scientific and all the other kinds of struggles as well as the military-then the peril to freedom will continue to rise.
Secondly, it is clear that this Nation, in concert with all the free nations of this hemisphere, must take an ever closer and more realistic look at the menace of external Communist intervention and domination in Cuba. The American people are not complacent about Iron Curtain tanks and planes less than 90 miles from their shore. But a nation of Cuba's size is less a threat to our survival than it is a base for subverting the survival of other free nations throughout the hemisphere. It is not primarily our interest or our security but theirs which is now, today, in the greater peril. It is for their sake as well as our own that we must show our will.
Indeed. As JFK called for more secrecy by the press, he would have been appalled by things like WikiLeaks.
Originally posted by TheMindWar
Never has this speech been more relevant than it is today
That part is JFK referring to the bungling of the CIA. The invasion of Cuba should have been concealed, not published. But Cuba knew about it weeks in advance because it had been leaked to the press.
Originally posted by magmaiura
"preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."
Communist mistakes were revealed day after day and promoted in US propaganda, so realistically it is hard to argue that he is talking about communism.