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reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 09:25 PM by SheopleNation
reply to post by lonegurkha



How about you believe what you like, While allowing others here to form their own opinions without having to read your reckless insults on, or judgement of, those beliefs? The truth of the matter is, nobody knows exactly who JFK was talking about. Yes true, he was calling out the media to use integrity while reporting, but there is much more to it then that. It's about what they were reporting, and who was influencing them to report it. You don't speak for anyone but yourself here. ~SheopleNation



reply posted on 16-3-2012 @ 06:47 AM by lonegurkha
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Perhaps you don't know what he was talking about, but those of with reading comprehension skills do. If you had been around back then like I was you would have understood what he was talking about.With no basis in the history of that time , it would be impossible to know. Life experience is more valuable than stupid assumptions.

Since my previous post was not directed at anyone in particular, I find it odd that you seem to have taken it personally........well if the shoe fits.......
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reply posted on 16-3-2012 @ 08:39 PM by SheopleNation
reply to post by lonegurkha



I don't take it personally at all, I just disagree with your assumption. While I do agree that experience is very important when it comes to forming opinions, In this case it would not make you anymore right concerning this. I can watch the video as if I was there, back then. The puppet masters murdered Kennedy for a few reasons. This could be one of them. I repeat, could be.

P.S, Love your Crusader Avatar. ~SheopleNation

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reply posted on 16-3-2012 @ 09:29 PM by lonegurkha
reply to post by SheopleNation



Thanks for the compliment on my avatar. The credit for that goes to Slayer I got it from him. If I may make a recommedation, I would suggest that you go to the link posted for the transcript of the speech. When you read it instead of watch it you may change your opinion of what the speech was about.

This speech was given not long after the disaster of the bay of pigs. If you don't know what happened there then I recommend some research on the topic. As has been posted in this thread, he was actually continuing the topic of a previous speech given two or three weeks before. At the time of this speech the cold war was heating up. In school we were being put through drills in case the soviets launched against us.

The conalrad system which is now called the emergency broadcast system was being tested every day. There wasn't as much television coverage as there is now. In those days you were lucky if you even had a TV. Most news was still broadcast on the radio. The times were very different than they are now. There wasn't the attention on "Secret Societies" that there is now. In fact nobody cared about them at the time. If you look at this speech with the eyes of todays world , you will miss the reality of what is actually being said.

In those times, and from that very perspective this speech is about not giving the soviets anything that they could use against us. He's basically saying that the press needed to use some common sence when they were writing for general consumption. The line about secret societies was used to make a point about the lack of censorship in this country because of the first amendment. Basically stating that anything secret is frowned upon by a free people because of the first amendment. That's what this speech is about and that's all it is about. Sorry if you think otherwise.
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reply posted on 17-3-2012 @ 12:38 AM by SheopleNation
reply to post by lonegurkha



Don't be sorry, because you and I neither know what is the truth 100%. Look my friend, I was born in 1972, so no I was not around to see what you seen, or comprehend what you understand. I respect your opinion, though I believe that there is much more to what Kennedy was getting at.

JFK had a bone to pick with the federal reserve as well. He also was against Israel having Nukes. Do you remember anything about those issues, because I would love to hear about it if you do, I honestly would lonegurkha ?

With that being said, I have enjoyed this discussion with you even if you and I disagree. I really enjoy History alot. Back to the avatar though. Yeah, I used a Crusader for almost 10 years online. My family has some teutonic Knight geneology. Always loved Medieval History, even as brutal as it was. Best wishes. ~SheopleNation


reply posted on 17-3-2012 @ 07:14 AM by lonegurkha
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I, to, have enjoyed our discussion. You seem to be a good person. As for the bone Kennedy had to pick with Israel and the federal reserve, I believe that they are the reason that he was assassinated. I think that LBJ was heavily involved. I also don't think that Oswald was anything but a patsy. He simply didn't have the shooting skills to make the shots. There were clearly shooters on the grassy knoll. I saw a documentary back a while ago that had witnesses who saw three men with a gun there. They even had a blown up picture,which I can't find now, that clearly showed the shadow of a gun with flash suppressor on the wall behind the fence. The rifle that Oswald used is known to be a piece of crap. The bolts jam and to get off that many shots in the time alloted would be simply impossible.

Jessie Venture a former seal tried to get off three accurate shots in the time limit and he couldn't. The bolt jammed on him and he couldn't get the gun bck on target to get an accurate shot. He ranks as an expert shooter while Oswald was just a marksman(the lowest ranking in shooting).There have also been other expert shooters who have said that they couldn't cycle that piece of junk in the limited time allowed and be that accurate. I have been shooting since I was 5. I can tell you that I couldn't get off that many accurate shots at a moving target in that short a time and hit it. I mean jeez my grandfather and I used to hunt rabbits with 22s.

To me the fatal shot came from the grassy knoll. in the zabgruder film you can clearly see Kennedy's head snap back when he was hit. The laws of physics says an object in motion tends to stay in motion, in a straight line unless moved by an outside force. So how could he have been hit from behind if his head snaps backward?

So any way that is my opinion. I'm going to friend you . I can agree to disagree on this topic. Hope that we find a topic to agree on in the future. By the way 72 was the year I graduated from high school. My ancestery is Scottish, McMillian clan on both sides. See ya around the boards.

Lonegurkha
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reply posted on 17-3-2012 @ 10:39 AM by autowrench
Originally posted by TheMindWar
Never has this speech been more relevant than it is today

Yes, it is relevant today, and I would like to comment.
From the transcript of the speech:
Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.

Source
I would agree that the American way of life is under attack, along with the American Worker, the American Housewife, and even the American Citizen. The American Dream has died, right before our eyes, and we just stood there and let it die. The Secret Societies Kennedy is talking about is the secret banking cartels. These vipers start, and finance war actions all over the world, and make loans to both sides, reaping a profit from both after the bullets stop flying. Refuse to pay, you might get a visit from the Marines. Remember what happened to Noriaga? Saddam?
America has long been under Martial Law, and very few seem to even know this:
The Lieber Code of 1863
This edict still applies, here is one way it is used:
Legal scholars everywhere have different views about the scope and origin of this existing authority, but whatever it is, it hasn’t changed.
But I want to concentrate on a different aspect. For some time, there has been a controversy in the federal courts over how to interpret the Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF) that Congress passed to give the President the power to fight the War on Terror.
Source
This all breaks down to the Rule of Law.
The United States exists in two forms:
1. The original United States that was in operation until 1860; a collection of sovereign Republics in the union. Under the original Constitution the States controlled the Federal Government; the Federal Government did not control the States and had very little authority.
2. The original United States has been usurped by a separate and different UNITED STATES formed in 1871, which only controls the District of Columbia and it’s territories, and which is actually a corporation (the UNITED STATES CORPORATION) that acts as our current government. The United States Corporation operates under Corporate/Commercial/Public Law rather than Common/Private Law.

The original Constitution was never removed; it has simply been dormant since 1871. It is still intact to this day. This fact was made clear by Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan (Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901) by giving the following dissenting opinion: “Two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and Independently of that Instrument.”

The Restore America Plan reclaimed the De Jure institutions of government of the 50 State Republics in order to restore Common Law that represents the voice of the people and ends Corporate Law that ignores the voice of the people while operating under Maritime/Admiralty/International Law. This occurred when warrants were delivered to all 50 Governors on March 30, 2010.

The rewritten Constitution of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION bypasses the original Constitution for the United States of America, which explains why our Congressmen and Senators don’t abide by it, and the President can write Executive Orders to do whatever he/she wants. They are following corporate laws that completely strip sovereigns of their God given unalienable rights. Corporate/Commercial/Public Law is not sovereign (private), as it is an agreement between two or more parties under contract. Common Law (which sovereigns operate under) is not Commercial Law; it is personal and private.

To understand this document, you need to understand some basic terms. Visit [link to www.usavsus.info/] for complete understanding. The basic terms are:

De Jure – Existing by right or according to law; original, lawful. Common Law operates under De Jure terms.

De Facto - In practice but not necessarily ordained by law; in fact, in reality. Corporate Law operates under De Facto terms.

Source

"When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty."
~Thomas Jefferson


reply posted on 19-3-2012 @ 12:10 PM by Rising Against
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus



Thanks for the compliment and thanks for your post also.

Work means I can't post as much as I'd like so I'm grateful other members have kept this thread sane - JohnNorton being another in particular.

Yes secret societies do exist, IMO, and yes they did exist at the time of JFK's death and speech 2 years before.. but was he talking about them and are they responsible for his demise? Certainly not and there's no indication saying they was.



reply posted on 19-3-2012 @ 04:52 PM by JoshNorton
reply to post by Rising Against



Kind words, sir.

I do have a suggestion for a new JFK thread you may be interested in researching… Are you aware that JFK was the first US president in about a century who didn't wear a hat publicly? The hat unions were having a fit—they must have had hundreds delivered to the White House, but he still preferred to go hatless.

The morning of his assassination, Kennedy was given a cowboy hat at breakfast with 2000+ Texas ranchers. He wouldn't put it on though.

I have to imagine how things might have been different if he'd been wearing a hat in the back of that convertible…


reply posted on 13-6-2012 @ 12:39 AM by Shoujikina

Yes secret societies do exist, IMO, and yes they did exist at the time of JFK's death and speech 2 years before.. but was he talking about them and are they responsible for his demise? Certainly not and there's no indication saying they was.


Shadow Government, you mean? Of course they killed him. How can you even say 'certainly not'?

Another thing also puzzles me; why would Kennedy -mention- "secret societies" specifically, if his speech had nothing to do with secret societies? You seem awfully sure about something you can't possibly have first hand knowledge of. There's lots of smoke and mirrors, misinformation, disinformation and shrouds of mystery surrounding JFK and his death, so I don't think it's wise for even the most diligent researcher to be 100% sure about his view being the absolute truth.

Though this particular issue is not a real interest of mine, I am sometimes a bit curious about it, and I tend to try to find the core truth among all the BS in any issue.. but I could be mistaken. And so could you.

He was certainly mentioning "secret societies", so by definition, he WAS talking about them (at least enough to mention them, if not more). And obviously the people with real power behind the scenes, MJ-12, The Military-Industrial-Complex, Illuminati, NWO gang, The Powers That Be, The Shadow Government, The dudes with the reverse-engineered UFO-tech... whatever you want to call them - a group of 'powerful' people decided that they needed to get him out of the way, and play it safe from there on by selecting only 'safe' presidents..

When we can easily know all this, how can you say (and I assume with a straight face) that "there's no indication"?

By the way, it's 'they were', not 'they was'.

And I'd say if you haven't found any indication, your research is missing important core pieces, as extensive as it may otherwise be. But it doesn't mean that there IS no indication - it simply means you haven't yet FOUND the indication(s).

One more thing - he could have been talking in multiple meanings and layers.. Eisenhower had already given his warning to the people, and even though someone claimed here that back then life was so different that no one cared - which may be true, it still doesn't completely rule out the possibility, that he may have been talking about the communists and all that on the surface - saying what he was expected to say - but at the same time, making sure his speech would at the same time warn the people by adding another layer, a deeper, more meaningful layer into it. Why couldn't his speech be amount multiple things at the same time? He was a relatively clever chap, as far as I know, and did know 'more than a president should'. So why couldn't he have done the same thing Eisenhower did, but in a more subtle, masked way? Can you honestly rule out that possibility completely?
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reply posted on 29-8-2012 @ 12:02 AM by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by Rising Against



Hey ya.... Interesting thread, I had some questions, if you wouldn't mind applying your response mechanism to overcoming the challenges embedded within my specific method of *RETORT*

1. how can an ideology conduct a cold war?

In his speech, JFK mentions that "It" conducts the cold war..... was he referring to the political ideology of communism?

If so, why would he call it..... "It"?


2. "for we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless...... political ideology?"

In this speech, JFK clearly states that "we are opposed by a monolothic and ruthless conspiracy"

He did not say nations, he did not say communism, or socialism, or whatever.....

Why do you think he shirked his responsibility in clearly labling the threat to the nation, if that threat was Communism?

Why would he call it a conspiracy, if calling it Communism would more easily identify the potential threat?


3. how can a political ideology be a conspiracy?

Related to the previous question, actually.


4. we are as a nation historically opposed to secret societies

Why didn't he say communism?

Why would he mention Secret Societies at all if he was referring to communism in his speech?

and for that matter, Why, if his speech was ABOUT communism, does he never mention it....

Once?

5. "but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people".... of what?

If, as you say, the speech is JFK asking the press to keep some things secret..... why would he ask them to help him inform the public?

Would that not be against what you say is the PURPOSE of the speech?


6. If this thread was a well..... it smells like it has been poisoned.


That is all. *Shaman Out*


reply posted on 29-8-2012 @ 07:01 PM by Fockewulf8
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to
post by Rising Against



Hey ya.... Interesting thread, I had some questions, if you wouldn't mind applying your response mechanism to overcoming the challenges embedded within my specific method of *RETORT*

1. how can an ideology conduct a cold war?

In his speech, JFK mentions that "It" conducts the cold war..... was he referring to the political ideology of communism?

If so, why would he call it..... "It"?


2. "for we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless...... political ideology?"

In this speech, JFK clearly states that "we are opposed by a monolothic and ruthless conspiracy"

He did not say nations, he did not say communism, or socialism, or whatever.....

Why do you think he shirked his responsibility in clearly labling the threat to the nation, if that threat was Communism?

Why would he call it a conspiracy, if calling it Communism would more easily identify the potential threat?


3. how can a political ideology be a conspiracy?

Related to the previous question, actually.


4. we are as a nation historically opposed to secret societies

Why didn't he say communism?

Why would he mention Secret Societies at all if he was referring to communism in his speech?

and for that matter, Why, if his speech was ABOUT communism, does he never mention it....

Once?

5. "but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people".... of what?

If, as you say, the speech is JFK asking the press to keep some things secret..... why would he ask them to help him inform the public?

Would that not be against what you say is the PURPOSE of the speech?


6. If this thread was a well..... it smells like it has been poisoned.


That is all. *Shaman Out*


Very good questions and some I had myself. I'm interested in seeing other views on these comments. It is obvious his speech is about the press screening what they print during war time. As the WW2 saying goes... Loose lips sink ships. Yet parts of this speech lend to a deeper meaning than simple "watch what you print" imo. the language he uses to describe what people are saying is directed at the cold war I find to be rather crypt for such a well known, and obvious, political situation of the time, no? Or possibly it is just the style of his speech... nevertheless I would like to see views on the questions posted above...
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