Originally posted by DJM8507
I thought the original birth certificate was stolen, possibly as a souvenir of sorts or maybe for political motives...
That this was a generated replacement based on non-original records of the original birth certificate.
Who knows...edit on 1-3-2012 by DJM8507 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by micpsi
Originally posted by spyder550
So these dingbats are stating exactly what the other dingbats have been stating all along. Lots of speculation and this sheriff is an attn. w____ gets another 15 min. No proof just inuendo. What has he been doing all of this time with his -- I love this -- posse. Somebody wasted some money.
The proof was given in the presentations accompanying the press conference. But I guess you fell asleep when they were played.
Originally posted by sykonot
reply to post by Xcalibur254
I think you're confusing citizenship and nationality.
If you are born to a citizen mother outside of the country you are a citizen once you are given a USA birth certificate, but until you do that you are still an American national, if you never register the birth inside the USA then a citizen is never created, but you will always be a national.edit on 1-3-2012 by sykonot because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Fromabove
Really? He's a Kenyan? That's odd because the law at that time clearly stated that any child born abroad to a US citizen who had spent five years in the US, with two of those years after the age of 14, was granted birthright citizenship. This can then be followed up with the fact that a number of courts, including the Supreme Court, have equated birthright citizenship with being a national-born citizen. So even if he were born in Kenya (he wasn't) where's the problem?
Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by Xcalibur254
An interesting bit of that section you didn't post, however:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
If someone could please work through the legalese with me to clarify, it seems this definition of Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, § 1401 does not qualify Obama's mother to confer natural-born citizenship to Barack.
Additionally, and I may have just missed updates here, this does not address the issue with his Indonesian citizenship (which, as I understand, would have required a revocation of Obama's US citizenship due to the state of war at the time not allowing indonesian citizens to hold dual citizenship), which seems to require that he be re-naturalized through US immigration policies, and hence no longer a holder of natural-born status (I welcome the opinions of any immigration experts or attorneys to confirm or deny this).
That said - his birth in Hawaii is still very much open to dispute, sadly or no.edit on 3/1/2012 by Praetorius because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SunnyDee
I read Kenya was not "Kenya" officially until 1963, it was called East Africa Prolectorate.
. Also read the hospital he was in was not the name on his Hawaii Cert until 1978.
Originally posted by Habit4ming
therefore Obama, Jr. is not a 'natural-born' citizen, the Constitutional requirement for POTUS.
Minor vs. Happersett
Another link:WHY IS THE RIGHT HELPING OBAMA REWRITE THE DEFINITION OF NATURAL BORN CITIZEN? www.newswithviews.com...
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