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Chemtrails - an evil swiss army knife??

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posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Here's the formula for green fireworks stars.

Barium Nitrate 65
Potassium Perchlorate 15
Indian Blackhead Aluminum 10
Parlon 16
Boric Acid 2
Charcoal, Airfloat 2
Red Gum, Air Milled 5
Dextrin 5

This is in parts by weight.

www.skylighter.com...

So let's take a guess at a total weight of half a pound (226 grams) of burny stuff in the shell. That would be 147 grams of barium nitrate. Better stay away from fireworks shows.




posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
I found that enough hyd. oil leaks to be a problem to the passengers.
How much leaks into the air as exhaust?


none that I can think of.

I am aware of synthetic engine oil leaks because BAe146's I was working on had a terrible problem with it in the early 1990's - the problem was a seal on the compressor of the APU that would let oil get into the APU compressor air - this would pass into the airconditioning ducts, but the APU air was not very hot and it would just pool there. then when the engines started supplying air it would heat up and be distributed into the cabin as smoke - extremely noticeable by smell and sight.

Exhaust from an aircraft will not get into the cabin because cabin air is taken from the compressors, in front of the engine.

Exhaust from other aircraft will enter when and if the a/c flies through their exhaust - which will certainly happen but I do not know if that has ever been quantified.



I still found this thread mocking chemtrails when we know how much petro based pollution comes out of all ends of the system we call airplane flight.
I wanted to stay out of it from now on,
but I see the sarcasm in many threads on here.


since this thread is not about cabin air quality, and you seem to be saying that you do not think chemtrails exist what is your actual problem with it??



So prove to us its harmless air at 30,000 feet as your aircraft that leak fly along.
You are in the industry, you are on the defense.
Stop turning it on those who look up.[/quoet]

Nope.

it is up to those who claim that something is happening to prove their case - not up to others to disprove it.

When you look up and see white lines all the evidence says they are contrails - they come from aircraft like contrails, they behave like contrails, and there is no credible evidence that anything other than contrails is up there or looks and behaves in that way.

If you want to discuss cabin air quality then perhaps you should start a thread about that, instead of complaining about threads that are about chemtrails.



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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Lets go back to the chemicals in cabin air.


A new photocatalytic oxidation air filter (PCO unit) has been designed for aircraft cabin applications. The PCO unit is designed as a regenerable VOC removal system in order to improve the quality of the recirculated air entering the aircraft cabin. The PCO was designed to be a modular unit, with four UV lamps sandwiched between two interchangeable titanium dioxide coated panels. Performances of the PCO unit has been measured in a single pass mode test rig in order to show the ability of the unit to decrease the amount of VOCs (toluene, ethanol, and acetone) entering it (VOCs are fed separately), and in a multipass mode test rig in order to measure the ability of the unit to clean the air of an experimental room polluted with the same VOCs (fed separately).


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Lets just google and go down the list.
And you thought since there is non smoking flights it was save.
Aircraft when you look up the facts
rings like
Jaws the Movie.
Just when you thought it was save to back in the air.
Look it up!



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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I am just trying to prove a point
as far as chemtrails per person,
per volume,
there may be more in the cabin
then hits us on earth.



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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You should start a thread about cabin air quality perhaps - you are off topic for this one IMO.



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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When asked the question VOC
It should mean Voice Of Concern.



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Mocking threads
may have been a little extreme
as I looked I found it both ways just to be fair.
So when I see a chemy mocking thread
I will ask them the simple filter proof of barium, sulfur, etc also, and point out mocking.



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 


You should start a thread about cabin air quality perhaps - you are off topic for this one IMO.


Sorry
I thought this was a chemtrail thread
and the chemtrails being introduced in the cabin ventilation system would relate.
It was in the title.
But if you do not want to discuss chemtrails and can't keep up
I understand.

Chemtrails - an evil swiss army knife??



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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So lets get back on topic with this picture,
can anyone prove the only thing keeping toxins from other planes,
and nature out of cabin,
is the filters,
and filters could show proof of what we see at 30,000 feet?


www.pall.com...

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posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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can anyone prove the only thing keeping toxins from other planes, and nature out of cabin, is the filters,

No.
The filters are on the return air from the cabin, not the supply air from outside.

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posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 


You should start a thread about cabin air quality perhaps - you are off topic for this one IMO.


Sorry
I thought this was a chemtrail thread


Each thread has a title that reflects the topic - this one is about the various uses postulated for chemtrails.


and the chemtrails being introduced in the cabin ventilation system would relate.


For what purpose?


It was in the title.
But if you do not want to discuss chemtrails and can't keep up
I understand.

Chemtrails - an evil swiss army knife??




So what chemtrails being imported to the cabin, and for what purpose?



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 




can anyone prove the only thing keeping toxins from other planes, and nature out of cabin, is the filters,

No.
The filters are on the return air from the cabin, not the supply air from outside.

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So it is not air from within the cabin,
air goes in the cabin first and then is recycled and sent back again.
I am more worried about UN-filtered air entering the cabin.
Plus I thought, 1 link I posted was of filtering oil out of cabin before it entered.
So my question is how do you filter oil out air on return path?
I will be polite and wait as I want opinion on this fact.
Gaul last week told me he could only find recycle filters also.

www.asia.donaldson.com...


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posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Never made sense to me the filters are only on one side and not the intake side.
you are here brought it up again.
I believe you when you said you looked it up on cd.



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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I believe filters could debunk
chemtrails but industry
may not want us to know what else is in them.



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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What oil do you mean?
The air comes from the compressor stage of the engine, before the fuel is injected. I would rather breathe that air that the recirculated cabin air no matter how much filtering it went through.
www.salvatoreaiello.com...



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posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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And that picture does not show the condenser/ evaporator sides.
So there would always be waste air to cool the condenser side, intake would be the evaporator side,
and they could heat air by reversing with expansion valve, or heat from outside source.



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 

What oil do you mean?
The air comes from the compressor stage of the engine, before the fuel is injected. I would rather breathe that air that the recirculated cabin air no matter how much filtering it went through.
www.salvatoreaiello.com...



edit on 2/27/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Again and it was in the news about 2 months ago where people got sick from oil in cabin.
I will go try to find the story for you.
www.asia.donaldson.com...



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 

What oil do you mean?
The air comes from the compressor stage of the engine, before the fuel is injected. I would rather breathe that air that the recirculated cabin air no matter how much filtering it went through.
www.salvatoreaiello.com...



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Here is an old one

US Airways spokeswoman Michelle Mohr said the plane was grounded and serviced on both occasions. After the second incident, it was taken out of the rotation until Jan. 5, when it was cleared for flight. Mohr said mechanics determined that the problem was a leak of the hydraulic fluid Skydrol.

www.wcnc.com...



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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Ok.
There was a hydraulic leak into the compressor stage. Hydraulic leaks are a bad thing.

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posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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But that is not my point
My point is outside air is drawn in and is used in cabin, and is filtered.
Do you agree if a plane was chemtrailing,
would not the chemicals show up in filter at some point?
Because if they were chem-trailing, some plane, some where would fly through the stuff.
I believe we would see more filter changes, higher maintenance etc.
But still my question of,
They don't filter the air intake to the cabin, they rely on condensation from evaporator to clean it.
which if true, would add even more water to atmosphere?
Just like your car drips on the road when it runs with ac on.



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