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Originally posted by Kryties
This is how I am reading it....straight from the news itself.....
Sgt. Manuel Loggins Jr. was a devout Christian who walked at the San Clemente High School track with his family early in the morning, Maj. Christopher Cox told the Los Angeles Times ( lat.ms...).
Authorities say a deputy tried to pull over Loggins for a traffic violation at about 4:30 am Tuesday when he drove through the school parking lot gate.
Authorities say Loggins ignored the deputy's orders and when he walked back toward the SUV, the deputy feared for his life and fired.
Loggins' 9- and 14-year-old daughters were in the SUV at the time. Neither was injured.
Loggins' wife usually walked with the family but had stopped going because she is pregnant, Cox said.
"He was a mentor, somewhat of a father figure, to a number of the Marines," Cox told the newspaper. "He was very soft-spoken, very nonconfrontational — very, very respectful. He was just the epitome of respect."
Read more: www.sfgate.com.../n/a/2012/02/10/state/n092441S33.DTL#ixzz1mNKugpUt
So a man who usually takes early morning walks with his family at the high school, enters the high school grounds in a fast manner. The marine ignores a cop who wants to ticket him for speeding and continues about his normal, daily routine. The cop, not liking the fact that somebody ignored his directions, pulls out his gun and shoots the guy twice in the back, shattering glass in the marines car. The fact that the glass shattered from bullets is testament to how close those bullets came to hitting the children.
In short - Marine speeds, cop tries to ticket him, Marine ignores cop, cop shoots him in the back.
That's how it reads to me. Worst case scenario, if I were the cop, I would shoot for the leg to avoid killing a possibly innocent man who was just having a bad day.
Originally posted by TrueInstinct
What's with the apparent lack of taser use in the USA? No one should be shot unless they have a weapon themselves or are an extreme danger to the public.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Kryties
Of course, all the evidence will come out later, but as it stands now, it wasn't an execution, it was a dangerous and erratic man about to endanger the lives of 2 innocent children.
I could be wrong, we may find out details later to show that it was indeed an extreme overreaction, but if the story stands as written now, then I feel the shooting was justified. A man speeding in an SUV, crashes through some gates, acts erratically, says something apparently inflammatory for the situation, and then ignores the policeman's orders, and attempts to get back into the vehicle with 2 scared children........ I'd probably shoot him.
Doesn't stop your own 100 meter rush to judgment though, does it?
Originally posted by PLASIFISK
He didnt crash through the gate and we wasnt speeding. The gate was and is always open. He and his family were not the only ones to use that track for walking/running. He was murdered point blank. Another kill for the police force.
Heres my question, what if the role was reversed and a civilian shot and killed a police because he/she feared for thier life. Paid suspension? I think not.
About 4:30 a.m. on the day of the shooting, the deputy was doing paperwork inside his car near San Clemente High School when he said he saw Loggins driving a white GMC Yukon at an "unsafe, high rate of speed" into the school parking lot, Amormino said.
The SUV, according to Amormino, crashed through a locked gate and the deputy pulled in behind him.
Loggins walked onto the football field, and about three to four deputies arrived to set up a perimeter, Amormino said. The deputies said they lost sight of Loggins for about five minutes, and when he reappeared, he walked toward the car and climbed inside, ignoring deputies' commands, Amormino said.
Amormino said that Loggins made statements to the deputy before he was shot. He would not elaborate.
Originally posted by Exemplar
reply to post by getreadyalready
They feared for the children so much that they shot at them and executed their father in front of them. They are now traumatized for life. You don't get over something like that. You have to learn to live with it.
Originally posted by Brandon88
reply to post by getreadyalready
Why did they not approach the man while he was out of the vehicle? If it was 4:30 am why did they set up a perimeter while allowing themselves to lose track of him? And my most important question is if the officer feared for the safety of the childeren why was he firing a weapon near them? I see some serious holes in this officer's story.