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Is the U.S. studying UFO reports?

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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Considering the U.S. Government states it stopped investigating the UFO subject in 1969, there appears to be quite a lot of official documentation indicating otherwise - John Greenewald Junior makes some extremely astute points about the contradictions here and the documents below are a good example as the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency describes the Tehran case as "An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon." - it's also telling that copies of the report were sent to the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, the Chief of Naval Operations, the Chief of Staff of the Army, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Secretary of State, the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense and the White House.



THE TEHERAN 1976 CASE:

A declassified document related to the famous Teheran UFO and jet fighter encounter in 1976.

This is a capital case, acknowleged by a US intelligence agency, where a UFO encountered an aircraft, and reacted in a superior ant intelligent manner to the aircraft's interception attempt by shutting down temporarily the aircraft's weapons system.

The DIA evaluation termed this "An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon." The analysis called the UFO performance "awesome," noting that the objects displayed "an inordinate amount of maneuverability."


REFERENCES:
Title: DIA Defense Information Evaluation Report IR No. 6846013976
To: Censored
Author: Major Roland B. Evans, USAF, Military Capability Analyst.
Date: September 22, 1976
Length: 5 pages.
Classification: Top secret, Declassified
CC: None.

Document One

Document Two

Document Three

Document Four

Thread




posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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I have a suspicion that government is embedded in MUFON and similar organizations so they can study UFOs while feigning disinterest.


Just look at some of the suspected members of MJ-12, and you'll see the founder of NICAP, for example...

I'm sure there's some protocol for high level military sightings, but they are probably treated as witnessing possible foreign advanced aircraft, and secreted under that idea and compartment. (at least thats what I would do if I were them).

That way, it removes the "UFO" attachment, and doesn't raise any eyebrows on the subject.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by cloudyday
That's exactly what I am wondering. I started reading Alexander's book again, but his conclusion is so hard to swallow. After all, Alexander was studying remote viewing and other psychic phenomena while working for the U.S. Army. But we are to believe that the government is no longer interested in UFOs? (Of course I'm a UFO believer, so maybe this makes more sense to skeptics.)


That organization with Alex and Ron Blackburn was the Aviary... includes people like Hal Puthoff, Robert Bigelow (NIDS) Jacque Vallee and a bunch of other names.

Ron Blackburn still comes over to John Lear's house for dinner from time to time... lives close by


Even today it is hard to find out just who all was involved in that

Does the NSA having UFO files on their home page count? So does the FBI, CIA British MoD and various other countries

www.nsa.gov...

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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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I used to report my sightings to them but they never followed up or responded so I stopped reporting them. I don't trust them. oh and by them I mean mufon!
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
you'll see the founder of NICAP, for example...


NICAP was founded on October 24, 1956, by physicist Thomas Townsend Brown

William Lear, father of John Lear worked with Thomas Townsend Brown under the DoD on antigravity studies in 1952

Project Winterhaven



And Thomas Townsend Brown's daughter is a very interesting person



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by NephraTari
I used to report my sightings to them but they never followed up or responded so I stopped reporting them. I don't trust them. oh and by them I mean mufon!
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I've only seen one possible UFO, and I reported it to MUFON. They called me by phone the next day to get more details. My sighting was nothing special except that it was daylight, so I don't know why they called. To be honest it made me very nervous and uncomfortable, because I started thinking about the men in black. So I wasn't all that forthcoming to the investigator. But MUFON did a good job and was very professional in my opinion.

So you should keep reporting your sightings. If everybody would report their sightings then maybe they will discover the same UFO seen by multiple witnesses.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok

I have a suspicion that government is embedded in MUFON and similar organizations so they can study UFOs while feigning disinterest.


Just look at some of the suspected members of MJ-12, and you'll see the founder of NICAP, for example...

I'm sure there's some protocol for high level military sightings, but they are probably treated as witnessing possible foreign advanced aircraft, and secreted under that idea and compartment. (at least thats what I would do if I were them).

That way, it removes the "UFO" attachment, and doesn't raise any eyebrows on the subject.


That makes sense to investigate the UFO sightings by investigating some more generic aspects - like violation of air traffic rules or something. Also they could simply form a UFO group for a couple of weeks in response to any particularly interesting incident and dissolve the group after they write a report. So nobody would be working on UFOs full-time.

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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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Okay, mebbe I'm wrong and mebbe I'm right, but here's the deal as per John Alexander.

One only has to look at his (Alexander's) continued interests and associations to realize what he personally believes and/or suspects.

From spoon-bending to rv to shamanism--he, and other so-called 'Aviary" members have an interest--a highly documented & intense, even scientific, interest--in subjects that concatenate more with Jacques Vallee's IDH, or quantam physics, than with anything ETH.

That goes for most of the 'birds'--from Puthoff to Green. Check 'em out and see for yourself.

He, Alexander, is telling the truth, most probably, about his background investigation as far as ETH, the government, and UFOs are concerned...but he's definitely holding back on what he and his NIDS cadre believe about the phenomena. Word.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by The GUT
Okay, mebbe I'm wrong and mebbe I'm right, but here's the deal as per John Alexander.

One only has to look at his (Alexander's) continued interests and associations to realize what he personally believes and/or suspects.

From spoon-bending to rv to shamanism--he, and other so-called 'Aviary" members have an interest--a highly documented & intense, even scientific, interest--in subjects that concatenate more with Jacques Vallee's IDH, or quantam physics, than with anything ETH.

That goes for most of the 'birds'--from Puthoff to Green. Check 'em out and see for yourself.

He, Alexander, is telling the truth, most probably, about his background investigation as far as ETH, the government, and UFOs are concerned...but he's definitely holding back on what he and his NIDS cadre believe about the phenomena. Word.


I just finished watching the video presentation by John Greenewald Jr from Blackvault from karl 12's thread UFO Government Documentary Evidence

It's hard for me to believe that Alexander from the inside would miss the obvious signs of official UFO interest that Greenewald found from the outside. But I agree those Aviary people were probably not very interested in the ordinary ideas about UFOs.

I feel much better after watching Greenewald's presentation. At least there is a mechanism in the government to gather the UFO reports in one place (NORAD). It makes sense for NORAD to be the repository, because their radar data must be one of the most important pieces to the UFO puzzle. And NORAD is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act so they can study UFOs there without public embarrassment.
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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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I starred you, cloudyday, because I'm enjoying your mind and posts.

Radar data, in itself, however, is very SUSPECT. If you're interested, I'll elaborate more...but there is AMPLE evidence that the U.S. has, in the past, "spoofed" radar returns for defense purposes. Especially notable, in the testing phase, against our own radar specialists.

Don't get me wrong: I am in no way a skeptic, but it is, I feel, important to separate fact/fiction and actual intelligence operations from the truly anomalous events.

Tehran had visuals along with radar data and that in itself gives it some status. The reality remains, though: The U.S. is capable, and has expressed in documentation, the ability and/or intent to test such technology(radar spoof and/or visuals) for defensive purposes.

For example: I think Tehran was probably a truly anomalous event, but I also suspect the Washington Flap was a U.S. exercise.

So much signal-to-noise ratio it's hard to determine anything...other than the observation that someone is really, really, making sure the signal-to-noise ratio is ever present!



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by The GUT
reply to post by cloudyday
 
I starred you, cloudyday, because I'm enjoying your mind and posts.

Radar data, in itself, however, is very SUSPECT. If you're interested, I'll elaborate more...but there is AMPLE evidence that the U.S. has, in the past, "spoofed" radar returns for defense purposes. Especially notable, in the testing phase, against our own radar specialists.

Don't get me wrong: I am in no way a skeptic, but it is, I feel, important to separate fact/fiction and actual intelligence operations from the truly anomalous events.

Tehran had visuals along with radar data and that in itself gives it some status. The reality remains, though: The U.S. is capable, and has expressed in documentation, the ability and/or intent to test such technology(radar spoof and/or visuals) for defensive purposes.

For example: I think Tehran was probably a truly anomalous event, but I also suspect the Washington Flap was a U.S. exercise.

So much signal-to-noise ratio it's hard to determine anything...other than the observation that someone is really, really, making sure the signal-to-noise ratio is ever present!


It's interesting that the source of the noise is the U.S. government. Most other governments seem to have a fairly open attitude toward UFOs. What is unique to the U.S. government that would make it handle UFOs with so much more secrecy than other nations? Was the U.S.S.R. as secretive and publicly dismissive about UFOs?



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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One of the assertions that Vallee mentions in his books/musings, is the fact that the U.S. is highly-compartmentalized/separated from the larger mass of sightings/experiences world-wide.

This leaves the everyday researcher at a serious disadvantage in trying to discern patterns that might infer anomalous causations....or military psy-op influence.

SOME other nations are amenable to transparency it seems...but our most powerful allies; not so much. Mebbe because we've shared the little that we know with them or maybe they have figured out some of it by their own research.

The govt is, we can be most assured, as many researchers including Vallee assert, still involved in studying the phenomena.

Do they know anymore than we do? Maybe. Are they gonna share it without coercion: Probably not.

As far as the Russians go: They're A LOT more open to the anomalous than we are, but they've yet to show the efficacy that such "knowledge" would produce for them, if they possess it, on the world stage. Peace.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by The GUT
One of the assertions that Vallee mentions in his books/musings, is the fact that the U.S. is highly-compartmentalized/separated from the larger mass of sightings/experiences world-wide.

This leaves the everyday researcher at a serious disadvantage in trying to discern patterns that might infer anomalous causations....or military psy-op influence.

SOME other nations are amenable to transparency it seems...but our most powerful allies; not so much. Mebbe because we've shared the little that we know with them or maybe they have figured out some of it by their own research.

The govt is, we can be most assured, as many researchers including Vallee assert, still involved in studying the phenomena.

Do they know anymore than we do? Maybe. Are they gonna share it without coercion: Probably not.

As far as the Russians go: They're A LOT more open to the anomalous than we are, but they've yet to show the efficacy that such "knowledge" would produce for them, if they possess it, on the world stage. Peace.


Imagine if some people are able to consciously create and control a UFO. Of course the Soviets would have discovered that with their research. That makes me wonder about the UFO sightings around U.S. nuclear missile bases that disabled missiles and so forth. Maybe the Soviets were testing their psychics.

During WWII the Allies controlled news about V1 and V2 attacks so the Germans would not be able to fine tune their weapons. Maybe the U.S. was trying to silence news about UFO sightings because they didn't want the Soviets to get that feedback on their tests?



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Someone, somewhere, here, tossed the idea out, maybe it was you, that the foo-fighters represented some sort of technology that wasn't really suited for war.

After considering that and what you said above, I do wonder about the possibility of the "Foos" being "mind-creations" of some sort.

Not of the pilots, but maybe a room full of Tibetan Monks somewhere trying to help out. Crazy...but interesting.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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I think the US and other forces are studying "somethings" that werent observed before within the last say 5 years. That something I think was not mentioned by potential other non Earth 1z who also may not of known. SO in short yes they are observing along with many others..
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posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by The GUT
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Someone, somewhere, here, tossed the idea out, maybe it was you, that the foo-fighters represented some sort of technology that wasn't really suited for war.

After considering that and what you said above, I do wonder about the possibility of the "Foos" being "mind-creations" of some sort.

Not of the pilots, but maybe a room full of Tibetan Monks somewhere trying to help out. Crazy...but interesting.


It may have been a room full of Nazi psychics trying to track or confuse the bombing raids by creating UFOs, but the Allies barely noticed. Then the Soviets got the records and talent from the Nazi program and started their own research.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
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I think the US and other forces are studying "somethings" that werent observed before within the last say 5 years. That something I think was not mentioned by potential other non Earth 1z who also may not of known. SO in short yes they are observing along with many others..
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What makes you think something has changed in the last 5 years?



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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@What makes you think something has changed in the last 5 years?


I feel it answers the question and what hmm I wish I could share but it feels that way seems my best second answer for you. Sorry that I cannot present the data related.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 12:58 PM
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The best way to avoid any inter-agency knowledge is to mask the operations for investigating said matters under the guise of something else. Even a greater method is that no documentation ever be made in paper or digital format. All evidence is destroyed immediately upon investigation.

Just imagine how many secrets and historical documents have already been destroyed for the sake of said National Security.



posted on Feb, 14 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Flint2011
The best way to avoid any inter-agency knowledge is to mask the operations for investigating said matters under the guise of something else. Even a greater method is that no documentation ever be made in paper or digital format. All evidence is destroyed immediately upon investigation.

Just imagine how many secrets and historical documents have already been destroyed for the sake of said National Security.


It's a shame that secrecy is denying future historians the information they need. Some record destruction is motivated by politics instead of security. Politicians try to destroy as many records as possible when they leave office so their successor can't score political points. But in the long run history is lost due to the mean-spirited politics of today.




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